Too Many of U Are 2 Hardline
Yeah, I'm gonna come out and say it. Too many of you here are way too hard line about gun rights. I value my guns rights too and feel there are several good arguments as to why none of us lawful citizens should ever lose our gun rights. But I'm just not going to go the hard line route. If we all lived on some tiny island, with a small population and could make hard line work then I might be in favor of it. But we live in a huge country with over 250 million fellow citizens. And human nature being what it is, and political power being what it is, to a strong degree you have to have the support of many of those non-gun owning citizens if you are going to hang onto your gun rights. And showing a hard line attitude towards those citizens is not going to get much cooperation from them.
Do the math. Gun owners are in the minority in America. Very active gun owner are part of an even smaller minority in America. You hard liners are part of an even much smaller minority in America. This means that no matter how much GOA tries, or how how much you claim the 2A gives you absolute gun rights, you will not be able to enjoy those gun rights unless you get some cooperation from millions of other Americans, who are reasonable, but don't see things exactly like you do. This is true even if the 2A named you by your full name and declared in bold letters that you had absolute and total gun rights. Unless you act in such a way so as to get cooperation from millions of non-gun owning Americans, you will not keep your gun rights very long.
In regards to those here who boldly claim they are just quietly waiting for the "shooting war, the gun rights revolution" to start so they can jump into action, you make me laugh. Each and every day our federal, state and even city governments put the shaft to you in ways other than gun rights. And instead of going on some kind of rampage, you just quietly take that sodominizing without so much as a word of complaint.
And yeah, you remind me of the Taliban or the extremist Muslims. Christians and Muslims seem to believe in the same God. You would think that with that connection both could find some way to get along. And I believe generally the Christians do get along with the Muslims; at least in modern times. But the Muslims and Taliban take a hard line on the issue, just as some of you do here. Since Christians don't believe in religion exactly like the Muslims do, the Muslims hate the Christians and even go so far as to kill them for their beliefs.
I see that here. YOu hardliners and I have a lot of agreement. We all own and like guns. We all have a belief in the US 2A (and in my case a belief in the KS Constitution) but we don't have the exact same belief about gun rights. We all resent the anti-gun crowd who want to disarm us while leaving the criminals and police armed. So you would think that even though you hardliners and I don't exactly agree on gun rights, we have many, many more areas of close agreement than we have of disagreement. You would think we could find someway to be friends and allies. But you hardliners can't seem to do that.
Over the years I wonder how many potential friends your hardline rantings have run off. And regarding your crusade against the NRA, you have obviously weakened it, at leaste here on GB.com. But a question you need to ask yourself is, while you have been busy weakening the NRA, what exactly have you built up in the NRA's place? Over the years I have seen a lot of tearing down of the NRA, but I haven't seen anything being built in its place.
I'm through with you. Like it or not, but we gun owners need all the friends we can find. You hardliners and people like me could have been friends. But I give up. It will be a cold day in hell before you see me reading or posting on the gun rights forum part of GB.com.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Believe me I WON'T left the door hit me in the ass on the way out. And same to you.
Do the math. Gun owners are in the minority in America. Very active gun owner are part of an even smaller minority in America. You hard liners are part of an even much smaller minority in America. This means that no matter how much GOA tries, or how how much you claim the 2A gives you absolute gun rights, you will not be able to enjoy those gun rights unless you get some cooperation from millions of other Americans, who are reasonable, but don't see things exactly like you do. This is true even if the 2A named you by your full name and declared in bold letters that you had absolute and total gun rights. Unless you act in such a way so as to get cooperation from millions of non-gun owning Americans, you will not keep your gun rights very long.
In regards to those here who boldly claim they are just quietly waiting for the "shooting war, the gun rights revolution" to start so they can jump into action, you make me laugh. Each and every day our federal, state and even city governments put the shaft to you in ways other than gun rights. And instead of going on some kind of rampage, you just quietly take that sodominizing without so much as a word of complaint.
And yeah, you remind me of the Taliban or the extremist Muslims. Christians and Muslims seem to believe in the same God. You would think that with that connection both could find some way to get along. And I believe generally the Christians do get along with the Muslims; at least in modern times. But the Muslims and Taliban take a hard line on the issue, just as some of you do here. Since Christians don't believe in religion exactly like the Muslims do, the Muslims hate the Christians and even go so far as to kill them for their beliefs.
I see that here. YOu hardliners and I have a lot of agreement. We all own and like guns. We all have a belief in the US 2A (and in my case a belief in the KS Constitution) but we don't have the exact same belief about gun rights. We all resent the anti-gun crowd who want to disarm us while leaving the criminals and police armed. So you would think that even though you hardliners and I don't exactly agree on gun rights, we have many, many more areas of close agreement than we have of disagreement. You would think we could find someway to be friends and allies. But you hardliners can't seem to do that.
Over the years I wonder how many potential friends your hardline rantings have run off. And regarding your crusade against the NRA, you have obviously weakened it, at leaste here on GB.com. But a question you need to ask yourself is, while you have been busy weakening the NRA, what exactly have you built up in the NRA's place? Over the years I have seen a lot of tearing down of the NRA, but I haven't seen anything being built in its place.
I'm through with you. Like it or not, but we gun owners need all the friends we can find. You hardliners and people like me could have been friends. But I give up. It will be a cold day in hell before you see me reading or posting on the gun rights forum part of GB.com.
Yeah, yeah, I know. Believe me I WON'T left the door hit me in the ass on the way out. And same to you.
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quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
What America demands in her black champions is a brilliant, powerful body and a dull, bestial mind.
You're talking about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, and Condoleeza Rice...right?
Again, you attribute to me things I have not said. But the truth of my posted Eldridge Cleaver quote is demonsterable exactly in your childish utter dismissal and disdain of those highly placed persons with whom you disagree.
They are, policies aside, far more worthy of praise than 99% of the "Athletes", and Rap "stars" (what Eldridge calls "America's Black champions") held up as exemplars of Black America.0 -
Again, you attribute to me things I have not said.
You post it as fact, you own it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
Again, you attribute to me things I have not said.
You post it as fact, you own it.
Um... You obviously have a very different definition of "fact" than most people.
I posted a Quote.
In that that quote is an exemplar of the idea that there are Truths that can and have been stated by people we may otherwise find little political agreement, that axiom is, definitionally, a fact, but otherwise your illogic escapes me.0 -
quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
Talk is cheap. I spend a little of my cash to help the cause. Many of the so called hardliners do nothing but blow a lot of hot air.
If I was at the Boston Tea Party... i'd keep my mouth shut about it. You probly wouldn't believe me anyway.
besides at this point talk can accomplish a lot since a major problem is education.0 -
quote:Originally posted by triple223tap
Bin Laden is black?
That's right... our own domestic homegrown terrorist running for president is black. He is going by the name Barack Obama, but I figure they are one in the same...he and the Not domestic terrorist, Osama bin Laden. Different heritage, same goal.0 -
Keep up the Hardline on Gun Rights and Liberty.
There is nothing in the "Middle of the Road" except yellow lines and dead Armadillos.0 -
I couldnt agree with you more. I don't care what argument they make about the 2nd amendment or what it specifically says, they do not get it. They are harming their own cause every time they come out screaming. Their refusal to compromise will be all of our downfall. They often think that when an anti gun law is passed that ALL the citizens are angry about it. Little do they know that many, I mean a large amount are happy. The "hard line" approach will never work. I mean NEVER! Accept it! Because the majority of Americans are moderate type voters and will label the "hard liners" as "right wing wackos", blowing them off and giving them no credibility. I don't think they realize the large percentage of Americans who laugh at them. I hear it all the time from people everywhere. In fact, they use these types of people to make the argument for more anti gun laws, and in many cases won because of it. They label them as "militants" and "anarchists". I don't necessarily agree with that, but its besides the point. I have gathered from talking to people on here that many really don't have any kind of perspective anymore. They immerse themselves in the gun culture and only hang out with or talk to people who agree with them, thus losing touch with the big picture.
I also agree with your opinion of the NRA. When the NRA weakens to the point where its no longer effective, you can kiss the 2nd amendment good by. Whether you like it or not, the NRA has been the most effective political organization we have seen when it comes to the 2nd amendment. And any of the compromises (and I mean small ones) they have made has only helped because it brought in a lot more people to support the cause, a lot more moderate people. I would guess the hard liners really only count for 10% or less of all gun owners (my best guess). Many gun owners are people who only own one gun they keep in the house for self defense or someone who enjoys hunting.
Hearing these people scream and yell is almost funny, because thats all it is. Most organizations will not let these guys on board and they dont want to be on board. Its a fact of life. I have read the predictable responses from people on here who let everything you said blow right over their heads. You will be called a "sell out" and an "idiot". Meanwhile, the rights they are screaming about will slip between their fingers.
Tha fact is, I don't know of any pro gun origination that has been what we might call "hard line" that has had any sucess in Washington or at any state level. If there is, please correct me. All that really happens is, the hard liners refuse to give money to the present day pro gun originations or take part in any way and really do not help out at all. They either just scream and yell about it on a website like this, or in some cases break the gun control laws that are already in place, giving the anti gun people more ammo to use in Washington. They don't realize that if you chip away at it, bit by bit, you will have much less gun control laws in the end. Nope! they want it all now and if you don't support that you are a sell out. Unfortunately, thats living in a bubble.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Stylishxone767
I couldnt agree with you more. I don't care what argument they make about the 2nd amendment or what it specifically says, they do not get it. They are harming their own cause every time they come out screaming. Their refusal to compromise will be all of our downfall. They often think that when an anti gun law is passed that ALL the citizens are angry about it. Little do they know that many, I mean a large amount are happy. The "hard line" approach will never work. I mean NEVER! Accept it! Because the majority of Americans are moderate type voters and will label the "hard liners" as "right wing wackos", blowing them off and giving them no credibility. I don't think they realize the large percentage of Americans who laugh at them. I hear it all the time from people everywhere. In fact, they use these types of people to make the argument for more anti gun laws, and in many cases won because of it. They label them as "militants" and "anarchists". I don't necessarily agree with that, but its besides the point. I have gathered from talking to people on here that many really don't have any kind of perspective anymore. They immerse themselves in the gun culture and only hang out with or talk to people who agree with them, thus losing touch with the big picture.
I also agree with your opinion of the NRA. When the NRA weakens to the point where its no longer effective, you can kiss the 2nd amendment good by. Whether you like it or not, the NRA has been the most effective political organization we have seen when it comes to the 2nd amendment. And any of the compromises (and I mean small ones) they have made has only helped because it brought in a lot more people to support the cause, a lot more moderate people. I would guess the hard liners really only count for 10% or less of all gun owners (my best guess). Many gun owners are people who only own one gun they keep in the house for self defense or someone who enjoys hunting.
Hearing these people scream and yell is almost funny, because thats all it is. Most organizations will not let these guys on board and they dont want to be on board. Its a fact of life. I have read the predictable responses from people on here who let everything you said blow right over their heads. You will be called a "sell out" and an "idiot". Meanwhile, the rights they are screaming about will slip between their fingers.
Tha fact is, I don't know of any pro gun origination that has been what we might call "hard line" that has had any sucess in Washington or at any state level. If there is, please correct me. All that really happens is, the hard liners refuse to give money to the present day pro gun originations or take part in any way and really do not help out at all. They either just scream and yell about it on a website like this, or in some cases break the gun control laws that are already in place, giving the anti gun people more ammo to use in Washington. They don't realize that if you chip away at it, bit by bit, you will have much less gun control laws in the end. Nope! they want it all now and if you don't support that you are a sell out. Unfortunately, thats living in a bubble.
LMAO @ the silliness of this WHOLE post.
The founders were "militant wako's" too. You sir, have fallen lock step with the socialist agenda.
You too are fooled into thinking that every "comprimise" is saving your rights. How laughable.
You aren't saving ANYTHING. What you are ACTUALLY doing is giving away OUR rights, bit by bit, saving the REAL fight for REAL men.
Opinions like yours aren't worth thier weight in horse hockey.0
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