when will this madness end?
what do you all, in your honest opinion, think it would take to change America back to the why it is supposed to be from the way that it is now? i was thinking about this quite abit last night as i was going to bed. i did not like the answer. just curious as to what your thoughts are. i will reopst with my thoughts and beliefs here in a few days. i am finishing up my draft of all of my thoughts that i am writing down. untill then i look forward to your responses.
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Force.
Force from the people who understand and know what REAL freedom is.0 -
I have nothing to add to that. 0 -
It certainly won't happen from freewill. We can all see how abused that has become, if we choose to see it. 0 -
Anybody see the recent HBO series on John Adams and the Revoloutionary War?
The same conditions that caused us to break away from England exist again today. Unreasonable taxes. Taking away various freedoms, and the list goes on. Seems very familiar. The question is, is another revoloution posssible with the people we have in this country today?0 -
History has a way of repeating itself............ 0 -
Sorry for hijacking this thread, but I am going to need some help:
I have a car. I acquired it used. When it was new, in it's unaltered factory condition, there was no other car like it. But the car has had several owners over the years. Those owners have added parts to the car, and some have taken parts off the car. Some of the parts taken/added have just changed the appearance of the vehicle, but some of the parts taken/added have changed it significantly beneath the exterior, such that it does not operate as it should. The vehicle has been altered to the point where it is almost unrecognizeable from what it was in it's original state. Although it will take major restorative efforts, some of which seem insurmountable, what I want more than anything is to return the vehicle to it's original, unaltered condition so it will function as it was designed to.0 -
a problem with a revolution is that it would mean change to the laws that we have now and the constitution would also be changed, and the people are scared now. with the FEMA camps popping up everywhere and the fact that the govnment can throw you in prison for anything for no reason is just to much for people to stand up and fight. I am actually ashamed to say i served my country.. twice it did no good. now i see myself as a true patriot, i want my country back to the way it was. i also think if a woman or a african american( or what ever he is) gets in office it will be worse. we need a leader that can stand up against the government from within and stop all the lobbies from outside influences. as for the people, we are screwed. we are just a number they can track and not enought of us are willing to put everything on the line for that, some are some arent. i personally would love to see a new civil war or revolution because that would mean change, but then the new question would be at what price. each and everyone of us whould have to ask " do i fight or stay out of it and hope i dont get sucked in?". 0 -
Did i say something wrong? 0 -
You said nothing wrong Tierne. Look at your service to this country as training and preparation, which will one day be necessary to restore true Liberty to this nation.
Many of us here know what is required... we are just biding our time.
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ok the tread looked to go dead after i posted that. 0 -
at earlier times almost all citizens had weapons & knew how to use them to eat & survive...no all powerful federal military to force compliance....now fat wimpy complacent subjects would dither in a panic when their credit card was denied at the checkout counter of wall marts grocery....revolution or force will never be an option in my opinion to hasten a return but rather an overwhelming 3rd party created in original constitutional bent guided by a charismatic leader of great strength & integrity....if not squashed by the power structure in place???? 0 -
I will preface by saying "we" in the following opinion is a general term not necessarily including myself or others reading this but the majority of Americans.
There will not be a civil war. We have become too "civilized" for that. There will not be a 3rd party to save us because the amount of money that takes is far greater that we are willing to sacrifice. I mean...go without my big screen TV and 900 channels to give $50 to someone who could help us... God forbid. Even if we could rally to get some elected officials in that could turn things around, people would vote them out before they could finish...the pain would be too great. There will not be a return to the U.S.A that we grew up with because those values have been replaced by greed and laziness. If you want to know what will happen to our once great country, study the ancient Romans. We will become less and less powerful and more and more self serving until we simply hand our lives over to someone else to control because it is just easier than doing it ourselves. By that time we will have created such debt that it is impossible to repay. We will have an economy that is solely based on government transactions with nothing really being produced. The people that are subsidized by the government will be the majority and will only vote to receive more subsidizations. Those that still hold to the dreams of their great country will have their rights stripped as traitors or terrorists then be scorned and/or jailed.
We are close to this point now. This makes me sick. I have 2 beautiful daughters that will have to live in the mess "WE" have made.0 -
Yeah, I have twins that will be born (God willing) on the 3rd of June. I sometimes think....what have I done to my kids?? I then just think to myself that, God will not put anything before me that I can not handle. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1moreaug
I will preface by saying "we" in the following opinion is a general term not necessarily including myself or others reading this but the majority of Americans.
There will not be a civil war. We have become too "civilized" for that. There will not be a 3rd party to save us because the amount of money that takes is far greater that we are willing to sacrifice. I mean...go without my big screen TV and 900 channels to give $50 to someone who could help us... God forbid. Even if we could rally to get some elected officials in that could turn things around, people would vote them out before they could finish...the pain would be too great. There will not be a return to the U.S.A that we grew up with because those values have been replaced by greed and laziness. If you want to know what will happen to our once great country, study the ancient Romans. We will become less and less powerful and more and more self serving until we simply hand our lives over to someone else to control because it is just easier than doing it ourselves. By that time we will have created such debt that it is impossible to repay. We will have an economy that is solely based on government transactions with nothing really being produced. The people that are subsidized by the government will be the majority and will only vote to receive more subsidizations. Those that still hold to the dreams of their great country will have their rights stripped as traitors or terrorists then be scorned and/or jailed.
We are close to this point now. This makes me sick. I have 2 beautiful daughters that will have to live in the mess "WE" have made.
bravo...
now I will go cry...0 -
quote:Originally posted by Aaron.Combs1
what do you all, in your honest opinion, think it would take to change America back to the why it is supposed to be from the way that it is now? i was thinking about this quite abit last night as i was going to bed. i did not like the answer. just curious as to what your thoughts are. i will reopst with my thoughts and beliefs here in a few days. i am finishing up my draft of all of my thoughts that i am writing down. untill then i look forward to your responses.
When you do, have someone proof read it and do a spell check. General punctuation and good grammar go a long way in getting your point across whether it is ludicrous or not.0 -
If we just shoot some of the politicians, thats how it will happen.I can't imagen large field armies like the civil war and revolution. Some sniper fire and few bombs here and there might do the trick.
The problem, who do we shoot to get a better country. Thats liable to be the real civil war in this country. everyone deciding that they must think like they do.0 -
Anyone who doesn't truly love JESUS should die. That will keep it simple. 0 -
As much as I hate to say it nothing short of another revolution could RESTORE our rights, freedoms, and limit government powers to those that OUR founders granted. I believe America needs to return to the AMERICA our founders created. As hard as it is for some to accept our government has become FAR to corrupt to reform on its own. 0 -
Amen to All who support the upcoming, necessary revolution! Praise be to GOD and ... pass the ammunition! 0 -
All of the people that think a revolution would be fun must not have thought about this too well.
Everyone thinks they are going to join together and start shooting??? What/Who are you shooting? Your neighbor that works for Game & Fish? Cops? The clerk at the grocery store because they believe in strict anti-gun laws?? The parents of the kid that sits next to yours in 5th grade because they live on welfare? Maybe a senator or mayor or some other politician because their views are different than yours?
Think it through. A civil war is ugly. Good-bye to the comfort of your bed. Good-bye to your morning Starbucks. Good-bye to your hobbies. Good-bye to sleeping, eating, working, when you feel like it. You will be hungry, thirsty, sick, cold (or hot), tired, dirty, in pain, desperate, and weak.
I know... you will steal everything you need and kill those that get in your way. To me that sounds more like a gang or the mafia. Who makes the decision on what you are actually fighting for? Who makes the decision on who lives and who dies? Every man for himself? That would work out great for the government because that only leads to internal fighting and eventually dissolution.
It makes me nervous that so many people think starting a civil war begins with killing people. If your life is not physically in danger watching people die is not fun. You will begin to think of their kids, wives, parents. You will begin to wonder what that death really achieved to reach your end result.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1moreaug
All of the people that think a revolution would be fun must not have thought about this too well.
Everyone thinks they are going to join together and start shooting??? What/Who are you shooting? Your neighbor that works for Game & Fish? Cops? The clerk at the grocery store because they believe in strict anti-gun laws?? The parents of the kid that sits next to yours in 5th grade because they live on welfare? Maybe a senator or mayor or some other politician because their views are different than yours?
Think it through. A civil war is ugly. Good-bye to the comfort of your bed. Good-bye to your morning Starbucks. Good-bye to your hobbies. Good-bye to sleeping, eating, working, when you feel like it. You will be hungry, thirsty, sick, cold (or hot), tired, dirty, in pain, desperate, and weak.
I know... you will steal everything you need and kill those that get in your way. To me that sounds more like a gang or the mafia. Who makes the decision on what you are actually fighting for? Who makes the decision on who lives and who dies? Every man for himself? That would work out great for the government because that only leads to internal fighting and eventually dissolution.
It makes me nervous that so many people think starting a civil war begins with killing people. If your life is not physically in danger watching people die is not fun. You will begin to think of their kids, wives, parents. You will begin to wonder what that death really achieved to reach your end result.
SISSY!0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1moreaug
All of the people that think a revolution would be fun must not have thought about this too well.
Everyone thinks they are going to join together and start shooting??? What/Who are you shooting? Your neighbor that works for Game & Fish? Cops? The clerk at the grocery store because they believe in strict anti-gun laws?? The parents of the kid that sits next to yours in 5th grade because they live on welfare? Maybe a senator or mayor or some other politician because their views are different than yours?
Think it through. A civil war is ugly. Good-bye to the comfort of your bed. Good-bye to your morning Starbucks. Good-bye to your hobbies. Good-bye to sleeping, eating, working, when you feel like it. You will be hungry, thirsty, sick, cold (or hot), tired, dirty, in pain, desperate, and weak.
I know... you will steal everything you need and kill those that get in your way. To me that sounds more like a gang or the mafia. Who makes the decision on what you are actually fighting for? Who makes the decision on who lives and who dies? Every man for himself? That would work out great for the government because that only leads to internal fighting and eventually dissolution.
It makes me nervous that so many people think starting a civil war begins with killing people. If your life is not physically in danger watching people die is not fun. You will begin to think of their kids, wives, parents. You will begin to wonder what that death really achieved to reach your end result.
Sounds to me like your the one whom needs to do some thinking. Revolutionaries ARE NOT looking to bleed our neighbors.
They want the return of their liberties and for the government to leave them the hell alone.
The government has ALLREADY needlessly shed the blood of the citizens. They have attacked US both psyically, mentally, and financially. Perhaps you enjoy life in chains, but those that UNDERSTAND what liberty is all about, will not stand for it.
"If there is to be trouble, let it be in MY day, so that my CHILDREN may have peace."
Those words mean multitudes to those whom love God, Country, and family.0 -
So are you suggesting that we begin by taking our guns and killing people? Who do you want to start with? The people you want to go to war with don't even know you are at war with them. Shouldn't you at least begin with a list of demands?
I am not the one that is a sissy. I never said I wouldn't fight for my rights BUT I am not a vigilante. I expect that there would first be some type of structured organization. Then I would think those in that organization would somehow elect leaders that pretty much held the same beliefs as the rest of the organization. After that I would expect that group to begin acting as if they were a separate entity from those that were not part of the group. New currency, different laws, new allegiances, etc. I would not expect any bloodshed until there was some type of opposition from the current leaders for creating this new entity. I don't know at what point this opposition would occur. Maybe at the first meeting...maybe the group would become quite strong before it was opposed. Considering how no one wants to tread on anyone elses "right" to do whatever they want, maybe they would just laugh about it until they began to feel uncomfortable.
Whatever the case, there is no country I know of where a successful revolution began by random terrorists committing random acts of violence against people that the majority of the population felt were not deserving of such violence. There is usually a funded organization (whether funded by its' own members or by others) that follows a strict plan and a direct line of leadership. What most of you have suggested is anarchy. That would be worse than the current conditions since there would be no central values and everyone would fight for whatever he feels is right.0 -
SISSY!
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Oh, I didn't get it before but now I see. Thanks. 0 -
I think the name of that structured organization you mentioned was the Confederate States of America. Didn't work out too well for them. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by firstfireeater
I think the name of that structured organization you mentioned was the Confederate States of America. Didn't work out too well for them.
EXACTLY! What makes anyone think that a revolution would work without structure or leadership when it failed even with those things. They gave it a good try though. I think some people think anarchy is a form of government.0 -
Anarchy only lasts quite a little while. By and by the Big Stick policy seems to take over and those with the most power (whatever form it may be) have the most control. Very seldom can these people give up this power in the name of democracy. 0 -
I have met and talked to anarchists. First I ask them who gets rid of the trash that they generate when it's anarchy rule
Mostly they look at me as if they can't imagine the trash doesn't dispose of itself. If they don't, I say, "Give me your wallet"
If they don't like the idea that I'm demanding their possessions, I tell them that anarchy is more than a fashion statement. If they say "take it if you can", I reply that if I actually wanted it, I would have kicked them in the nuts by now instead of talking to them. Incidentally, I have never talked to a female pro-anarchist. They are all tough guy males. Apparently women like the idea of trash removal, so on at least one subject, they and I agree
Anarchy seems like Step One on the road to Communism to me0 -
So at least some of agree that grabbing a gun and shooting people that disagree with us is not the answer to bringing America back to her once powerful and envied position. Nor is it the solution to bringing the rights back to the honest, hard-working, patriotic, citizens and taking them away from the criminals and deadbeats.
That said, is there actually a solution? Is it too late? Is there any way for us to agree on a basic set of fundamentals that we are willing to actually work for? Not a bunch of people with guns waving in the face of those that don't agree but a bunch of people willing to spend their time and money to fight for those values. Buying only from others that feel the same way, hiring only others that feel the same way, spending time writing letters explaining the movement, talking freely about the changes that need to take place, helping those that need help but not those that are trying to get something for nothing.
We would need to move beyond thinking about race, religion, financial status, education, etc... and be a united group based on moving our country back into the worlds most coveted piece of dirt on earth.
Is that too much to ask?0
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