when will this madness end?
what do you all, in your honest opinion, think it would take to change America back to the why it is supposed to be from the way that it is now? i was thinking about this quite abit last night as i was going to bed. i did not like the answer. just curious as to what your thoughts are. i will reopst with my thoughts and beliefs here in a few days. i am finishing up my draft of all of my thoughts that i am writing down. untill then i look forward to your responses.
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The simple minded.or perhaps the apologists for the Beast ..seem to feel that any departure from tyranny leads inevitably to anarchy.
They seem to forget the 100 years before the war ..before the government got big enough to meddle in everybody's life. Then the next hundred ..as the citizens built on the foundations laid previously.and ignore what has taken place in the last 50 years as the government strangled free enterprise and replaced it with capitalism.
Pick up your trash, indeed. In a functioning society, private enterprise does these jobs.I see no conflict at all with freedom.
You that see no possibility of society functioning without the heavy hand of government back-handing you for any departure from its deadening influence are indeed New Americans.unfit to shine a free mans boots.0 -
It seems that I am being misunderstood. I am not against taking up arms to defend myself or my constitutional rights. I believe that there are times when that is required. I just fear that too many people see that as the first event in a reformation. Today is not 100 years before the war. Today is a time when law abiding citizens are jailed for breaking the same laws that criminals are put on probation for. I don't believe that an individual will make much headway in convincing others that their rights are about to be stripped by using force. The media, the liberal groups, the politicians will all make it seem to be just another reason to promote their anti-gun rhetoric.
I simply believe there must be some type of united effort to protest before all hell breaks out. I think a good start would be not buying or doing business with any organization that doesn't defend our constitution. Rosie O'Donnell, Wal-Mart, NBC... Yes, everyone thinks it is easy to pull a trigger and solve the problem. Try not buying from anyone that advertises on NBC, CBS, or ABC for awhile. Try sending a letter explaining what is happening to our country to your liberal co workers. Doesn't anyone want to make a clear statement to the public what we are fighting for before we all start doing the very things they scorn us for?
Finally, a story:
A man was walking home wearing a heavy overcoat. The wind made a bet with the sun that he could get the coat off the man faster than the sun could. The sun took the bet and the wind began to blow. The harder he blew the tighter the man wrapped himself in the coat...turning his back to the wind and even bending down to hold on tighter. When the wind gave up, the sun came out. As the sun shone down the man began to get warm and eventually took off his coat. The moral... people tend to do what you want them to do if they think they are not being forced to do it.0 -
You see anyone here advocating taking a rifle and running out into the street today ?
If so...you terrible misjudge the intelligence of the posters.
Naturally, if you are on the other side, this is a good thing.
I cannot speak for the rest.but for myself, the `protests', the letters, the begging of politicians, the voting for a `good man'.are over.
We have had our preliminary petitioning of the King to please obey the rule of law..to enforce the Constitution.
I have no more time, energy, money or thought processes to waste on a hopeless effort.
No.I am content to peacefully await for the Beast to stick its stinking claws far enough into the fabric of Americans Lives it cannot withdraw it in time.and then aid my fellow countrymen in the effort to cut that stinking claw off.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
You see anyone here advocating taking a rifle and running out into the street today ?
If so...you terrible misjudge the intelligence of the posters.
Rogue statesman on 5-19-08 seemed to imply that
Allison9 says we need to kill politicians
Naturally, if you are on the other side, this is a good thing.
I am on the side that wants the entire country to know what is going on and how it hurts us all. Every one of us here knows that our rights are being slowly, quietly pulled from us but the general public thinks it is only crazies they are after. Most people don't know crime rises when the population is not allowed to have weapons. Most people don't realize that gun owners are normal men and women that have other similar interests and families that they have. Thanks to the media portraying us as blood starved lunatics that are itching for the first opportunity to pull the trigger.
I cannot speak for the rest.but for myself, the `protests', the letters, the begging of politicians, the voting for a `good man'.are over.
Voting for the good man is certainly over. It is all about money. The media and Hollywood have it and the politicians want it. The current best tactic is to give your money to the businesses and services that support our views and do not patronize those businesses that don't. The second best tactic is educate the public as mentioned above
We have had our preliminary petitioning of the King to please obey the rule of law..to enforce the Constitution.
The King only cares about your money. Quit giving your money to him until he enforces the Constitution and eventually he will. This is where it gets tough. You will go to jail as an individual and everyone will only know you as another tax evader or loony. As a group of millions, they will either be heard or dealt with.
I have no more time, energy, money or thought processes to waste on a hopeless effort.
Actually, our entire lives are a hopeless effort. From the moment you are born, you are destined for death. For some reason we find a reason to fight through every new day.
No.I am content to peacefully await for the Beast to stick its stinking claws far enough into the fabric of Americans Lives it cannot withdraw it in time.and then aid my fellow countrymen in the effort to cut that stinking claw off.
And by acting alone and not attempting to educate others you will be remembered as another nut that the government had to crack. The media will portray you as a criminal and a terrorist. I think you are just a guy that wants to be a proud American but has become frustrated with the way the system has been raped by self serving politicians. I think that only because I often feel that way myself.0 -
quote:Originally posted by chaoslodge
Anyone who doesn't truly love JESUS should die. That will keep it simple.
As a non-religious vet I find the above insulting and is more dangerous to OUR country than anything else. I did not serve and bleed to live in a theocracy.
For ever vigilant!
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quote:Originally posted by 1776-1976
As much as I hate to say it nothing short of another revolution could RESTORE our rights, freedoms, and limit government powers to those that OUR founders granted. I believe America needs to return to the AMERICA our founders created. As hard as it is for some to accept our government has become FAR to corrupt to reform on its own.
I hate to be the one to tell you but the US Gov. has been corrupt since the beginning. During the Revolution many of the pols. were as bad as G.W. bushy when it came to war profitering etc.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Aaron.Combs1
what do you all, in your honest opinion, think it would take to change America back to the why it is supposed to be from the way that it is now? i was thinking about this quite abit last night as i was going to bed. i did not like the answer. just curious as to what your thoughts are. i will reopst with my thoughts and beliefs here in a few days. i am finishing up my draft of all of my thoughts that i am writing down. untill then i look forward to your responses.
I am afraid it would take several events larger than 911....
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I, for one, am taking the easy way out, Bought a small farm in Pa. and my view of the world ends at my fence line. Any politoco, or their ilk, that shows up to "help" me will be sent packing. I will do my best to develop a cash business so my income will be,more or less, unable to be quantified thereby reducing how much of it I am forced to have re-distributed by the King's tax men.
I used to be a Republican but switched to being a Libertarian a number of years ago.Less government is more but can't see that changing in several lifetimes. Consequently, I'm preparing my farm for my son so his exposure to the government machine will be minimized. By the way, I was born and raised right out side NYC so I've seen firsthand all the societal ills that plague this country. I would encourage all that can to start a trend exactly opposite of the migration to the cities that occurred in the late 1800's- move the heck away from the urban areas whenever possible!0 -
I hate to think that the system can't be fixed, but I have trouble seeing how it could. Speaking in terms of revolution means that the system has completely collapsed or at the very least our rights (priveleges as it were) have been removed. I don't want either situation. I don't want the system contuinuing into communism. And I sure don't want the revolution to begin. I am not at all looking forward to having to defend my home. Am I able to? I can certainly defend against knuckleheads attempting to break in and remove what is mine. Or those with more malignant purposes in mind. But the government? Not really. Not if they are intent on removing me. Does this mean I wouldn't still fight? Of course not. But to look at this as anything more than simply standing for what I believe in is ridiculous. I don't think we can change the course of history like others before us. I think that even though there are so many of us gun owners, we are unable to change policy through the conventional means because public opinion seems to be shifting away from our ideals. And these are the people who oppose us. I am sure almost all of us know people who would quietly lay down their arms if it came down to keeping them and dying or giving them up and seeing their children every day. Until the day comes when someone in some official capacity comes to take my liberties from me, I don't know what I can do beyond weep for what should be. 0 -
quote: But to look at this as anything more than simply standing for what I believe in is ridiculous.
AMEN! There are people here that don't see the difference in that and a revolution. Maybe that is a personal revolution or something but not something that will change the course of history.0 -
It's too late, y'all. Just get your cabin in the woods and cling to your guns and Bible... and be happy!
Nothing will change, and there is nothing you can do as an individual to change anything. The percentage of people that would seriously entertain participating in a revolution is minuscule. Highball has said 3% of the population for years now. I say less than 3/10ths of a percent, if even that. That is less than a million people, scattered, disorganized... a rabble in complete disarray.
Cancel the satellite TV, go camping and fishing this summer, grow a garden, learn to can your food... see how long through this coming winter you can last on just the food you canned. Invest in solar panels and a wind generator, hang dry your clothes, wash your dishes in the sink instead of the dishwasher. What is the minimum KwH you can use per month? How about minimum gallons of water? Do you have an alternative source of water that doesn't get delivered to you from a pipe in the street? Those are just the FIRST questions you should be asking yourself.
Those of you thinking "Huh?" aren't even prepared for an earthquake, let alone a revolution.0 -
WW,
Get up on the right side of the bed this morning? [;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
It's too late, y'all. Just get your cabin in the woods and cling to your guns and Bible... and be happy!
Nothing will change, and there is nothing you can do as an individual to change anything. The percentage of people that would seriously entertain participating in a revolution is minuscule. Highball has said 3% of the population for years now. I say less than 3/10ths of a percent, if even that. That is less than a million people, scattered, disorganized... a rabble in complete disarray.
Cancel the satellite TV, go camping and fishing this summer, grow a garden, learn to can your food... see how long through this coming winter you can last on just the food you canned. Invest in solar panels and a wind generator, hang dry your clothes, wash your dishes in the sink instead of the dishwasher. What is the minimum KwH you can use per month? How about minimum gallons of water? Do you have an alternative source of water that doesn't get delivered to you from a pipe in the street? Those are just the FIRST questions you should be asking yourself.
Those of you thinking "Huh?" aren't even prepared for an earthquake, let alone a revolution.
Everyone thinks revolution is all about playing "war". It is more like camping for an extended time with people trying to steal all your stuff. The only thing that would change that would be for people to stand up and organize by not supporting companies and government practices that are against the constitution. Unfortunately, that will most likely land many people in prison or at the very least, broke and homeless.0 -
Pickenup, it seems I have been getting up on the wrong side of life lately. [;)] 0 -
After going over this post again I see some who are confused as to who the enemy would be for those who choose to fight. First one should understand if you allow yourself to be disarmed you will no longer need to worry about fighting since you will no longer have the tools to defend yourself, your family, and friends. For myself I would say that anyone who seeks to harm me or my family is the enemy and this includes takeing away the means to defend ourselves. I believe many of our local law as well as military will see what they are being ordered to do is wrong and will choose to side with the people whom they have sworn to protect. I believe any force used against the people will be made up of only portions of state and federal agencies and the bigger portion will be made up of foriegn military organizations such as united nations, mexican military ect... 0 -
This is pretty simple. I have 6 rifles alone at home. All semi auto. I am a reasonably good shooter. Outshot my neighbourh who is an infantry man back from Iraq. So, I have the guns. I know how to use them. But if SHTF, I will pretty much run. My life is only one. Not worth risking for this country. Or for any country. I will grab my wife, my friends, my guns and we will run for Canada. They may not have much freedoms there, but I just dont' want to be arbitrary shot for being either "anti government" or "not enough of a patriot of constitution", you folks, who talk loud, you have fun. Have fun being shot by your own army, being put into concentration camps by your own government. Your country is headed into the direction where it will be even worse then Nazi Germany or USSR. YOU PERMITTED IT TO HAPPEN.
Enjoy.
In my country we have a saying "It is too late to drink medicine once your liver had fallen off." If we will say that the liver of this country is constitution - then not only has it been fallen off, a passing dog named Reagan had pissed all over it with his "greed first" credo, and the rats known as Bush clan had dragged it off0 -
A coward dies a thousand deaths..a man of courage just one. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
A coward dies a thousand deaths..a man of courage just one.
Let us trust God, and our better judgment to set us right hereafter. United we stand, divided we fall. Let us not split into factions which must destroy that union upon which our existence hangs.
And here we are divided among ourselves in the very thing we agree on. We all agree that things aren't as they should be and are without a doubt going to get worse. Yet some are ready to fight alone to their end, some are going to leave, some are going to hide, some will submit to the commands that defy our Constitution, some are still fighting the peaceful protest that seems to have no effect, while others have just given up and sit and wait for the carnage before they make a decision.
All this while those in power keep spending our money on those that do nothing to strengthen our nation and worse yet give money we do not have to those that hate us.
The following is a synopsis of the decline of Rome from historians Arnold J. Toynbee and James Burke. My comments in red.
The Romans had no budgetary system and thus wasted whatever resources they had available (as noted above). The economy of the Empire was basically a plunder economy based on looting existing resources rather than producing anything new (sounds like the place I live). The Empire relied on booty from conquered territories (some say the reason we are in the middle east is for oil) (this source of revenue ending, of course, with the end of Roman territorial expansion) or on a pattern of tax collection that drove small-scale farmers into destitution (and onto a dole that required even more exactions upon those who could not escape taxation) (small business carries 65% of the tax burden in this country) , or into dependency upon a landed ?lite exempt from taxation (this is equivalent to so many loopholes that are taken advantage of by the wealthy) . With the cessation of tribute from conquered territories, the full cost of their military machine had to be borne by the citizenry.
An economy based upon slave (illegal immigrants?) labor precluded a middle class with purchasing power. The Roman Empire produced few exportable goods (sound familiar?). Material innovation, whether through entrepreneurialism or technological advancement, all but ended long before the final dissolution of the Empire. Meanwhile the costs of military defense (again familiar) and the pomp of Emperors continued. Financial needs continued to increase, (sounds like too many social programs to me) but the means of meeting them steadily eroded. In the end due to economic failure, even the armor of soldiers deteriorated and the weaponry of soldiers became so obsolete to the extent that the enemies of the Empire had better armor and weapons as well as larger forces (Chinese army now surpasses U.S. army in technology other than night vision) . The decrepit social order offered so little to its subjects that many saw the barbarian invasion as liberation from onerous obligations to the ruling class (we call these obligations "taxes") . By the late fifth century the barbarian conqueror Odoacer had no use for the formality of an Empire upon deposing Romulus Augustulus and chose neither to assume the title of Emperor himself nor to select a puppet , although legally he kept the lands as a commander of the Eastern Empire and maintained the Roman institutions such as the consulship. The formal end of the Roman Empire corresponds with the time in which the Empire and the title Emperor no longer had value.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dangerous T
This is pretty simple. I have 6 rifles alone at home. All semi auto. I am a reasonably good shooter. Outshot my neighbourh who is an infantry man back from Iraq. So, I have the guns. I know how to use them. But if SHTF, I will pretty much run. My life is only one. Not worth risking for this country. Or for any country. I will grab my wife, my friends, my guns and we will run for Canada. They may not have much freedoms there, but I just dont' want to be arbitrary shot for being either "anti government" or "not enough of a patriot of constitution", you folks, who talk loud, you have fun. Have fun being shot by your own army, being put into concentration camps by your own government. Your country is headed into the direction where it will be even worse then Nazi Germany or USSR. YOU PERMITTED IT TO HAPPEN.
Enjoy.
In my country we have a saying "It is too late to drink medicine once your liver had fallen off." If we will say that the liver of this country is constitution - then not only has it been fallen off, a passing dog named Reagan had pissed all over it with his "greed first" credo, and the rats known as Bush clan had dragged it off
"T" ... You're a COWARD. I don't know how else to put it. Hundreds of thousands of men (and woman), sons and grandsons have all DIED to protect the freedoms and liberties that this great nation continues to afford its citizens (and unfortunately, YOU).
Yet you CHOOSE to RUN!!! If you have children, how can they possibly look up to you with respect and dignity and imagine for one moment that you, being their God-sent father, would protect them at all costs. My children know I would do that for them.
Please allow me to purchase your one-way ticket (its a 4th class ticket) to China where you can grovel with the communists so maybe they will include you into their Anti-American plans to take over the world.0
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