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  • rkba4ever
    quote:Originally posted by 45long
    And I'm going with Mega Lotto tomorrow.


    If you win, will you give me enough money to buy a springfield M1A national match? I really want one, but don't have any spare $$$ (still building that darn house) to go get one - once you put glass on it, the cost could exceed $3000. If you win, I know you'd have the change to spare, so help a fellow gun-nut out?[:D]
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  • 45long
    4EVER,,,,, You got it man. *L* It would be an honor. I'll get one for myself and we can see who's best. 2 out of 3. Followed closely by some seriously good Bar-B-Q
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  • Highball
    Why would I 'strike now' ?

    I intend to allow the Beast to gather bunches of cowards, sycophants, Beast-lovers, and fellow travelers and put them in slit trenches before I move.

    That is what dictators ALWAYS do...kills off those that collaborated with him...for he is perfectly aware that somebody that sells out his OWN free country will sell the dictator out, also.

    Why would I get in the way of that good work ?
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  • 45long
    Hb,, Yeah right. *LOL* Whatever. Let me how that works out for Col Pheonix. Oopps. Sorry I meant HB. Hope I didn't blow your cover. *ROTFLMAO*
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  • Jim Rau
    I guess I am not as well 'read' as you guys! I never heard of Col. Phoenix!!![:I]
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  • 45long
    *LOL* Don't worry about it Jim. Try looking up the later works of Don Pendelton. Circa Mid 80's. The Executioner Paperbacks. Good entertainment. Some though take it little to much to heart. You know?
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  • Highball
    I have also read Moby Dick, The Last of the Mohecians, see Spot Run, Out of the Ashes, Every Sicience Fiction by Issiac Asimov I could lay my hands on..the list is endless. I expect I read more books per month then you, 45long, read in a year..perhaps in your entire life.

    I read fiction, technical manuals, gunsmithing manuals, non-fiction, biographies,...I am sitting here looking at a wall of books that I have gathered. I have 8-foot bookcases scattered througout the house...all loaded with books that I have read.

    I am sorry that you are envious. You could start TODAY learning something, if you were so inclined...the path comes about by turning off the tv and starting to study something besides baseball and the stock market.
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  • 45long
    Actually, I don't read as often as I would like. I used to be big fan of Pendelton. These day I like Steven King, some Tom Clancy. I like the classics like Poe, Doyle. A good Bio is always good. I just don't have the time anymore to sit down and get into one. I did manage to read A Team of Rivals recently. Very good. Biographical Crime stories are great. I find it interesting that many of the heros from history had many flaws but fought through to do the right thing. Same with our criminals. Some have romantizied so much that unless you really look, you would never how truely disturbed many were. Or how fate put them where they ended up. It makes me wonder sometimes, if they had just done this or that instead of,,,,,,,,,Would we even know who they were today.
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  • Jim Rau
    I only read thing I am required to, or I really like. Dyslexia kind of slows me down. I read the newspapers, but they are usually full of 'dirty laundry' or other lies. I read technical and scientific books and articles and certainly all I can about firearms. I have been know to read an occasional Play Boy, just for the jokes and articles mind you!!![;)]
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  • Highball
    Even being retired, I have precious little time to read...so I read in snatches. I have 4 books started as we speak...and this internet consumes time, also.
    I am in a continual state of attempting to right the wrongs of 25 years of throwing stuff in the doors of my shops ..letting it land where it may.

    Cannot even get to some of my equipment. Have put up a pallet rack, and am in the process of putting up two more...hopefully I will get control of the situation real soon. I enjoy taking a rusty piece of metal and turning it into some thing I can use.

    I just traded off a universal mill for a Kuhlmann Engraving machine ..and I hope soon to have the capability to engrave on scope adjustment knobs the necessary information for long range shooting.
    Making the knobs is no trick...but the lines and numbers must be precise...or all is lost.
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  • Permanently deleted user
    quote:Originally posted by Highball
    Even being retired, I have precious little time to read...so I read in snatches. I have 4 books started as we speak...and this internet consumes time, also.
    I am in a continual state of attempting to right the wrongs of 25 years of throwing stuff in the doors of my shops ..letting it land where it may.

    Cannot even get to some of my equipment. Have put up a pallet rack, and am in the process of putting up two more...hopefully I will get control of the situation real soon. I enjoy taking a rusty piece of metal and turning it into some thing I can use.

    I just traded off a universal mill for a Kuhlmann Engraving machine ..and I hope soon to have the capability to engrave on scope adjustment knobs the necessary information for long range shooting.
    Making the knobs is no trick...but the lines and numbers must be precise...or all is lost.



    What? no laser cutter? [;)]

    I enjoy fabrication myself. However, the expense of metal stops many projects from being done. Not enough good scrap to do some of the things I would like.

    Of coarse then there IS that pesky time thing too.
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  • Jim Rau
    I guess if you consider this 'reading' I do alot of it, THANKS TO YOU GUYS!!![;)][:D]
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  • 45long
    The problem with trying to clean up a shop HB is that just when you start to make headway, you realize that you have more room for more stuff. And BANG, you go get more stuff to put in the space you just cleared. It's a never ending vicious circle.
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  • Highball
    quote:The problem with trying to clean up a shop HB is that just when you start to make headway, you realize that you have more room for more stuff. And BANG, you go get more stuff to put in the space you just cleared. It's a never ending vicious circle.
    Well, well, well;
    Here we have a man that speaks from a position of TOTAL experience !!!

    I call it.. "Nature abhors a vacuum".and seeks to fill it.

    I generally last, in these `cleanups, long enough to make trails thru the `stuff'.then get tired/the urge to turn on the lathe and make something.

    Promptly, a garage sale or auction comes along.and the `backfilling begins again..

    I just gave 200 bucks for the Hunter 700 tire balancer ..have balanced 4 tires with it.. completely successful.
    In fact ..I had that set of tires done a couple weeks ago, and they still bounced. 32 bucks down the drain. Now I fixed 'em....
    I have been changing my own tires for years, unless buying a new set, and it always irritated me the cost of balancing.
    Running garage sales and auctions allows me to buy sets of tires for 10 bucks apiece ..and nearly new tires, most times.
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  • Jim Rau
    Well HB,
    We have another thing in common. I have been a 'tire' man my whole life. Started on the farm. And worked a tire service truck when I got back from RVN the first time. While In AK I took a job as a counter man in tire shop In Wasilla for a a couple of months between jobs.[:D]
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  • 45long
    HB,,, yeah I clean my garage/shop area bout once a year. Whether it needs it or not. I do admit to some shame at this point though. My reloading area is a disaster right now. Granted it would only take about 20 minutes to get back in shape, that fact alone only contributes to the shame. And it's such a nice bench. Home to my Dillion 550B. I keep a clean picture of it so I can remember what it looks like clean and kept.
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  • nyforester
    Been out for a while....looks like I missed a lot.....
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    Everyone is free here. Dictator - I think NOT !
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  • Jim Rau
    Time to catch up on your reading![:D]
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  • jpwolf
    quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    Just a quick post on the subject, as it is not worthy of much debate....
    When a minority shows their manhood (something that is deeply frowned on in the "feminized Amerika") the first method of attack for those with a shriveled pair (Or pair that never even dropped) is to group together to show that they are the majority, and therefore must be right. Having failed at that, they must then denigrate the individualists for not being "group thinkers" bacause a) individualism is ALWAYS baaaaaaaaaaaad ([;)]), b) they think if they "humiliate" you, you will cow and "join the herd" and c) because the goal is to find some way, any way, to feel like their pair has un-shriveled just a teency bit, or dropped a half of a milimeter so if they can brow beat you back into the herd, that is "their way" of feeling like men again.....[V]

    wolf,
    First, please put your pants back on!! We don't need to see your 'manhood'!!![}:)]
    Funny you should mention 'individualism' when you seen to frown on it so heavily. You and your associates have formed a 'collective' and anyone who exhibits any 'individualism' by not completely agreeing with 'your collective' is dumped on. [;)]
    Well I submit to you I am the 'true individualist' because neither side of this issue cares for me because I don't agree with what is currently in play and I don't agree with either sides 'ideals'.
    Think about it, you are no better than those you despise![:(]




    Jim, once our goal is achieved, we will go our separate ways as men do.
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  • jpwolf
    quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
    Freemind,
    The point I am TRYING to get across to you is this compromise you so hate is part of the real world. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY no matter how hard you try to get rid of it. The only real question is how much compromise can you except in the world. I would guess, from your response, very little. That great. But to say you will except NO compromise is telling me you refuse to except reality!!! If you can't except the 'real' world, where do you intend to live????[?][?]


    Jim,the point you fail to understand is that there is NO compromising what God has given you.
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  • jpwolf
    quote:Originally posted by tr fox
    And as this never ending, needless "debate" goes on and on and on and on, the people who are our real and true enemies, the gun grabbers, toil away building their ever more powerful and effective "machine" with which to defeat us.

    I imagine that when they are in need of amusement from their labor, they stop for a moment, look this way, and quietly snicker. I say they do it "quietly" so as not to disturb us and our endless arguments. Because if they did, we just might unite and become an unstoppable force.




    No one will unite with a slimy backstabber, knowingly. You are alone and will remain that way. Why do you even come here anymore? Trying to gather info on good folks, that might "save" you when the JBT's come for you, I suspect. I feel slimy just responding to you. You disgust me.
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  • Jim Rau
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
    Freemind,
    The point I am TRYING to get across to you is this compromise you so hate is part of the real world. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY no matter how hard you try to get rid of it. The only real question is how much compromise can you except in the world. I would guess, from your response, very little. That great. But to say you will except NO compromise is telling me you refuse to except reality!!! If you can't except the 'real' world, where do you intend to live????[?][?]


    Jim,the point you fail to understand is that there is NO compromising what God has given you.

    I guess not. I didn't realize this was a religious subject we were discussing!!![?]
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  • jpwolf
    Jim, religion aside, the founders acknowledged that men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. They laid them out in the BOR. What have you to gain by trying to distract and derail the present context and subject of the discussion? Other than it is precisely my making the point that their is no compromise on the BOR because it is these that are given by God, not priveleges granted by men of authority, that shoots your whole "reality" argument right down the toilet?
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  • Jim Rau
    Wolf,
    I guess you still don't see there is a difference in principal (ideal), and degree (reality)!
    I agree with the principal (ideal), now we MUST apply this principal to reality! We have to deal with other people to do this. Others have a say in this even if they are tainted by their ignorance. This is the reality we MUST ALL deal with when we approach this problem. [:(]
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  • Permanently deleted user
    quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
    Wolf,
    I guess you still don't see there is a difference in principal (ideal), and degree (reality)!
    I agree with the principal (ideal), now we MUST apply this principal to reality! We have to deal with other people to do this. Others have a say in this even if they are tainted by their ignorance. This is the reality we MUST ALL deal with when we approach this problem. [:(]


    I think you need to look at what your calling reality Jim. Your reality finds it acceptable to "comprimise" principles.

    We find comprimising principles unacceptable. IF you REALLY belived like you continually claim, you would NOT be willing to "comprimise" because of "reality".

    Reality IS Jimmy, you are perfectly COMFORTABLE with the way things are NOW.
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  • Jim Rau
    Wolf,
    You are beating a dead horse. Compromise is as much a part of life as breathing is. You have to allow some quarter for others views, opinions, and ideals. It don't matter what subject you are discussing.. You keep 'preaching' fire and brimstone, like a true preacher. But the reality is we all sin (compromise) all the time. The degree is all we have to focus on.
    There are many on this site and the VAST majority,99+%, would agree on the principle, the 2nd Amendment. And would agree there are far to many and to much restriction on the right which 'shall not be infringed'![V]
    I guess you must be blind and deaf so I will say it AGAIN!
    I AM NOT SATISFIED WITH IT AT ALL. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW. IT IS BADLY BROKEN AND NEEDS ALOT OF REPAIR. I DON'T AGREE WITH THING AS THEY ARE. OUR RIGHTS ARE VIOLATED EVERY DAY EVERY PLACE. DO YOU GET NOW[?][?][?][?][?][?]
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  • tr fox
    quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
    quote:Originally posted by tr fox
    And as this never ending, needless "debate" goes on and on and on and on, the people who are our real and true enemies, the gun grabbers, toil away building their ever more powerful and effective "machine" with which to defeat us.

    I imagine that when they are in need of amusement from their labor, they stop for a moment, look this way, and quietly snicker. I say they do it "quietly" so as not to disturb us and our endless arguments. Because if they did, we just might unite and become an unstoppable force.




    No one will unite with a slimy backstabber, knowingly. You are alone and will remain that way. Why do you even come here anymore? Trying to gather info on good folks, that might "save" you when the JBT's come for you, I suspect. I feel slimy just responding to you. You disgust me.


    Wolf, you seem a little...I don't know....."angry" maybe? And I should care because of why?
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  • 45long
    Jim,, What the only thing they see is that compromise sold us,(gun owners), down the river. What the REFUSE to see is that compromise is the ONLY thing that will help us get back what we lost. Like so many different anaolgies, camels under the tent, eating the elephant, whatever. You can't shove hard enough to get that Camel out of the tent. Can't be done. But you might be able to lure him back out with something he wants. Little by little we can get the camel out of the tent. But NOTHING will happen without the ability to work with people of differing views and occasionally compromising with them to get things done and move in the direction YOU want to go in. Two of the strongest supporters of Gun Rights were at one time strongly opposed to firearms and private ownership of them. But once they started researching for projects they were working on, they found the truth. They were willing to compromise their previously held beleive and come to our side. But some of these guys are more than willing to slice their noses off to spite their faces. AS I have said, a nation without compromise, is a dictaorship. A man without compromise, is a fanatic. And fanatics can trusted to only one thing. Harm.
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  • rkba4ever
    45, I am a fanatic when it comes to gun rights. I won't foam at the mouth and grow set of fangs and a uni-brow, but have had many rows with people over the issue.

    Maybe we can chip away at the granite mountain of the gun laws infinging 2A, but the politicians version of compromise is what made the molehill of gun laws in the beginning of the 20th century into the Mt. Everest of laws we see today. It would take another 200 years of chipping to get back what we've lost in just the last 80 years. I agree with you that we need to work with people of differing views, not all gun-owners see things the same, but until we can convince the obamanators gun-owning supporters that in the end all firearm rights are in jeopordy not just "evil black rifles" we'll just continue to get the shaft. Maybe Jims soft approach will help them see, maybe HBs cold hard shock will jar some sense into them, but until they agree that we're in trouble, the apathetic nature of these sheeple won't get them motivated to lend a hand.

    Maybe the verbal jousting we have here could provide the catalyst for that, but we get so many petty minds that refuse to see what their version of compromise has gotten us that I won't hold my breath waiting for the light to come on for them [:(]
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  • Jim Rau
    I find it a little humorous, because in most circles I am considered a 'fanatic' when I get started about the RTKABA'a!!![;)] Most all of my friends thought I was very much a fanatic when I put my job on the line to oppose the Chief Zero tolerance on fire arms violation and mandatory arrest and bound for firearms violations when we serve and release DUI's. [:(!]
    I was one of only two LEO's who went to the Senate Hearings in support of 'shall issue' CCW permits. So if that is the 'soft' approach so be it.[;)] Many other officers said they would not adhere to the policy but would do it quietly and not make waves. I felt the public had a right to know how prejudice our chief was.
    I must admit I enjoyed butting heads with some of the 'idiots' at the state house and senate.[^]
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