Dictator ? You think ?
We of late have been bombarded with claims that somehow we are welded into a borglike mentality ..that we all somehow think, react, and depend upon each others slightest gesture to chart the path towards the future.
Much has been made of the fact that I am the `head ass'...that somehow means that the rest of the Canary Asses take their cues from me concerning how they should act.
Naturally, this observation is only made by the weak-willed...those unable to grasp the concept of `individual action'...
That is just how far out of touch with the spirit of `being American' so many are here in this country. The idea that a group of men can be INDIVIDUALS...each a leader in his OWN rights...is foreign to most.
Those men might come together for a common purpose...but they remain individuals.
Each has his OWN methods of teaching, of training, of imparting knowledge to others.
I happen to be an ass, these days...I no longer suffer fools gladly...I am not divinity.
I `gained' the position of `head ass' simply BECAUSE I am abrupt, brusque, and deadly blunt.
Most of the other Asses are much more diplomatic in their endeavors...with the occasional flashes of thunder and lightening when they get fed up with some particularly obnoxious collectivist.
They are gentlemen ..to a man.
I am not.
You that feel put upon by my posts may well find it instructive to put the matter before the Council of Canary Asses. Make your best case.
You convince them that I am injurious to the cause of the Canary Asses, that I cause them loss of stature; I will abide by their decision. I trust and respect those men.
I will withdraw my name from the roster.
Mind you...I will continue to continue EXACTLY my personal method of gathering the fighting men of America....but you will not be allowed to use your personal dislike of me to defame the Canary Asses, if they so chose.
Much has been made of the fact that I am the `head ass'...that somehow means that the rest of the Canary Asses take their cues from me concerning how they should act.
Naturally, this observation is only made by the weak-willed...those unable to grasp the concept of `individual action'...
That is just how far out of touch with the spirit of `being American' so many are here in this country. The idea that a group of men can be INDIVIDUALS...each a leader in his OWN rights...is foreign to most.
Those men might come together for a common purpose...but they remain individuals.
Each has his OWN methods of teaching, of training, of imparting knowledge to others.
I happen to be an ass, these days...I no longer suffer fools gladly...I am not divinity.
I `gained' the position of `head ass' simply BECAUSE I am abrupt, brusque, and deadly blunt.
Most of the other Asses are much more diplomatic in their endeavors...with the occasional flashes of thunder and lightening when they get fed up with some particularly obnoxious collectivist.
They are gentlemen ..to a man.
I am not.
You that feel put upon by my posts may well find it instructive to put the matter before the Council of Canary Asses. Make your best case.
You convince them that I am injurious to the cause of the Canary Asses, that I cause them loss of stature; I will abide by their decision. I trust and respect those men.
I will withdraw my name from the roster.
Mind you...I will continue to continue EXACTLY my personal method of gathering the fighting men of America....but you will not be allowed to use your personal dislike of me to defame the Canary Asses, if they so chose.
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quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Freemind,
The point I am TRYING to get across to you is this compromise you so hate is part of the real world. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY no matter how hard you try to get rid of it. The only real question is how much compromise can you except in the world. I would guess, from your response, very little. That great. But to say you will except NO compromise is telling me you refuse to except reality!!! If you can't except the 'real' world, where do you intend to live????[?][?]
Herpes is hated also, but that doesn't mean that I am going to go and knowingly contract it, or have sex with those that I know who have it, simply because it exists in the "real world".
I'll stay clean, but thanks for trying to draw me into "unclean acts".[;)]
Jeff,
You do admit herpes is a part of the real world, and it will not go away do you not??? My exact point about compromise!!![;)]0 -
Jeff,
I have been spending some time on the web site you sent me. I ran across a quote there I thought was interesting.
"One by product of individualism is benevolence..
A general attitude of good will toward our neighbors and fellow human beings. Benevolence is impossible in a society where people violate other peoples rights." Glenn Woiceshyn
This makes sense from several different prospectives.[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Herpes is hated also, but that doesn't mean that I am going to go and knowingly contract it, or have sex with those that I know who have it, simply because it exists in the "real world".
This a tactic I haven't seen before....0 -
Compromise is as much apart of life as breathing. You compromise everyday of your life. Whether it's with your wife, G/F, Boss, the salesman downtown. You think the founders of this country didn't compromise when they were writting the Bill of Rights? If you do, then you are truely delusional. Why do you think it took them so long to write it?? The Declaration of Indepedence is not a one write document. It went through all kinds of re-writes just to get the language right. And what happened while that was going? Compromise. Take that out, out this in.
Granted, there can be TO MUCH compromise sometimes. And maybe thats where we are. But that doesn't mean the concept should be scrapped alltogether. Because at that point you have an impass. And then happens an nothing gets done. What good does that do?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Freemind,
The point I am TRYING to get across to you is this compromise you so hate is part of the real world. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY no matter how hard you try to get rid of it. The only real question is how much compromise can you except in the world. I would guess, from your response, very little. That great. But to say you will except NO compromise is telling me you refuse to except reality!!! If you can't except the 'real' world, where do you intend to live????[?][?]
Funny thing Jim, "comprimise" wasn't even part of the political machine AFTER the "contract" was setteled. No, it took many years for apathy like yours to set in.
No Jim, I am unwilling to accept apathy and comprimise. I only demand what is CLEARLY spelled out in the "contract".
If you have a contract at your job to be paid 25 dollars an hour and your paycheck only reports your paid 10, contract is broken correct? The contract MUST be amended for it to be legal correct?
Either AMEND OUR contract, or shut up. I am tired of people like you telling us how we will act, because all the sudden, YOU say so. My birthright, and my citizenship gives me a contract, wrote in ink, sealed in stone. Unless that contract is amended LEGALLY, you and your kind have NO ground.0 -
quote:A Government without some form of compromise is a dictatorship. And compronmise can not be limited to one side or stops being a compromise.
What an utter corruption of the facts. The mind that conceives of such as this is beyond comprehension.
Let me explain...slowly, with simple words.
The ONLY PEOPLE COMPROMISING IS US...the enemy NEVER gives ground !!!
Nobody but a fool compromises away their basic Rights.
The ratchet just continues to tighten ..as people like you aid and abet pulling the noose ever tighter around our throat.
The simple minded view CCWs, Castile Doctrines and such as `advances' ..ignoring the fact that slowly, ever so slowly, NOTHING is legal...until made so by a `law'.
We HAVE a dictatorship here, today ..RIGHT NOW...most are just entirely too dense to see it.
Your compromises have brought it to us0 -
Ahh, the femine drivel of bird anuses. Ahh,the self righteous trappings of civilization.puke. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Freemind,
The point I am TRYING to get across to you is this compromise you so hate is part of the real world. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY no matter how hard you try to get rid of it. The only real question is how much compromise can you except in the world. I would guess, from your response, very little. That great. But to say you will except NO compromise is telling me you refuse to except reality!!! If you can't except the 'real' world, where do you intend to live????[?][?]
Funny thing Jim, "comprimise" wasn't even part of the political machine AFTER the "contract" was setteled. No, it took many years for apathy like yours to set in.
I could point out the basic fact that the Constitution itself is a work of compromise....but I'll go a step further.
The Constitution was only ratified after the "Massachusetts Compromise" was reached between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Freemind,
The point I am TRYING to get across to you is this compromise you so hate is part of the real world. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY no matter how hard you try to get rid of it. The only real question is how much compromise can you except in the world. I would guess, from your response, very little. That great. But to say you will except NO compromise is telling me you refuse to except reality!!! If you can't except the 'real' world, where do you intend to live????[?][?]
Herpes is hated also, but that doesn't mean that I am going to go and knowingly contract it, or have sex with those that I know who have it, simply because it exists in the "real world".
I'll stay clean, but thanks for trying to draw me into "unclean acts".[;)]
Jeff,
You do admit herpes is a part of the real world, and it will not go away do you not??? My exact point about compromise!!![;)]
You missed the point I was making Jim.
It is a given that there will always be those who compromise on fundamental constitutional issues, which is absolutely wrong.
There will always be "compromise", which has an absolute place in relationships, business and other private dealings, but NEVER on the Constitution, or Bill of Rights.
Constitutional Herpes may be likened to those who are willing to make compromise on fundamental constitutional principals, which should not be negotiable, but which are by many. This does not make it right, it is merely wrong and dirty, much like Herpes.
It exists, but it is a bad thing.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Freemind,
The point I am TRYING to get across to you is this compromise you so hate is part of the real world. IT WILL NOT GO AWAY no matter how hard you try to get rid of it. The only real question is how much compromise can you except in the world. I would guess, from your response, very little. That great. But to say you will except NO compromise is telling me you refuse to except reality!!! If you can't except the 'real' world, where do you intend to live????[?][?]
Funny thing Jim, "comprimise" wasn't even part of the political machine AFTER the "contract" was setteled. No, it took many years for apathy like yours to set in.
I could point out the basic fact that the Constitution itself is a work of compromise....but I'll go a step further.
The Constitution was only ratified after the "Massachusetts Compromise" was reached between the Federalists and Anti-Federalists.
Perhaps you missed the word "AFTER".
I know full well of the discussions and bargaining that was done to GET the constitution ratified.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Herpes is hated also, but that doesn't mean that I am going to go and knowingly contract it, or have sex with those that I know who have it, simply because it exists in the "real world".
This a tactic I haven't seen before....
Not a tactic, an analogy, in response to a comment from Jim about compromise. Tongue in cheek, of course, but applicable.0 -
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
Ahh, the femine drivel of bird anuses. Ahh,the self righteous trappings of civilization.puke.
.....dropping out smelly little piles of quickmajik.0 -
Compromise in and of itself isn't a bad thing. As someone earlier pointed out, when the compromise is all on one side it really is a dictatorship. So far, us "gun-nuts" are the only ones losing ground here. How the !@#$ is THAT compromise?? We keep getting shafted via the proverbial "slippery slope" (which, btw some anti's keep trying to say doesn't really exist), keep having to jump through more and more hoops and for what? So some panty-waist, weak-kneed, chicken-souled robot can feel safer? The goal is purely to eliminate private possesion of arms, it has nothing to do with crime, yet we keep being told to "compromise".
When will it be enough? We've been denied FA (except ceratin areas, with Nannys permission which equals privelege, not right) even though legally owned FA aren't used in crime, have to get a permit to carry (hmmmm, isn't BEARing arms protected?)yet the "bad guys" carry all the time, gotta leave a paper trail a mile long to buy from a dealer , I could go on (endlessly, I know, I can be long-winded[:p]).
These compromises affect ONLY those who are LEAST inclined to criminal misuse of firearms. So how has this helped any, except to further us down the road to total prohibition of firearms? If the tens of thousands of gun laws on the books haven't curbed gun crime, why should we "compromise" yet again? Time to address the REAL issues of crime and punishment, and they begin and end with the human mind. Time to stop placing the blame on the instrument used and punish people for their actions.0 -
quote:Originally posted by freemind
Perhaps you missed the word "AFTER".
I know full well of the discussions and bargaining that was done to GET the constitution ratified.
Perhaps you missed the part about the Constitution being a work of compromise, as well as missing the point that the Constitution itself had to be amended in order to be ratified.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Not a tactic, an analogy, in response to a comment from Jim about compromise.
I was always told to avoid analogies like the plague [:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by rkba4ever
Compromise in and of itself isn't a bad thing. As someone earlier pointed out, when the compromise is all on one side it really is a dictatorship. So far, us "gun-nuts" are the only ones losing ground here. How the !@#$ is THAT compromise??
Exactly.
This isn't compromise, its appeasment...0 -
Boy fellers, if you think I am apathetic you are sadly mistaken. If you have learned nothing else about me you should see I am not apathetic.[;)]
As 45 pointed out we have let this (dastardly[}:)]) compromise go way to far one way, and now we MUST REVERSE THE PROCESS!!![:(]0 -
And as this never ending, needless "debate" goes on and on and on and on, the people who are our real and true enemies, the gun grabbers, toil away building their ever more powerful and effective "machine" with which to defeat us.
I imagine that when they are in need of amusement from their labor, they stop for a moment, look this way, and quietly snicker. I say they do it "quietly" so as not to disturb us and our endless arguments. Because if they did, we just might unite and become an unstoppable force.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
Ahh, the femine drivel of bird anuses. Ahh,the self righteous trappings of civilization.puke.
.....dropping out smelly little piles of quickmajik.
Ahh, thats sweet.
I `gained' the position of `head ass' simply BECAUSE I am abrupt, brusque, and deadly blunt.
I am sorry, but its stuff like this, as if that is a quaility to preen about, or a blind lack of compassion is something to be proud of,manly. I fail to see anything of worth in most of the words you guys waste, I mean you seem to think that they somehow prove something. As if anger can be made manifest into change simply by spewing the same crap over and over again. As if the past twenty years never happened and tommorrow everyone will see the folly they themselves created.0 -
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
Ahh, the femine drivel of bird anuses. Ahh,the self righteous trappings of civilization.puke.
.....dropping out smelly little piles of quickmajik.
Ahh, thats sweet.
I `gained' the position of `head ass' simply BECAUSE I am abrupt, brusque, and deadly blunt.
I am sorry, but its stuff like this, as if that is a quaility to preen about, or a blind lack of compassion is something to be proud of,manly. I fail to see anything of worth in most of the words you guys waste, I mean you seem to think that they somehow prove something. As if anger can be made manifest into change simply by spewing the same crap over and over again. As if the past twenty years never happened and tommorrow everyone will see the folly they themselves created.
Whatever, yawn......Sounds like more of what drops out of a bird's anus.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
Ahh, the femine drivel of bird anuses. Ahh,the self righteous trappings of civilization.puke.
.....dropping out smelly little piles of quickmajik.
Ahh, thats sweet.
I `gained' the position of `head ass' simply BECAUSE I am abrupt, brusque, and deadly blunt.
I am sorry, but its stuff like this, as if that is a quaility to preen about, or a blind lack of compassion is something to be proud of,manly. I fail to see anything of worth in most of the words you guys waste, I mean you seem to think that they somehow prove something. As if anger can be made manifest into change simply by spewing the same crap over and over again. As if the past twenty years never happened and tommorrow everyone will see the folly they themselves created.
Whatever, yawn......Sounds like more of what drops out of a bird's anus.
I sound nothing like you idiots... dont put me in the same group as you people.. My convictions arent so punny.[xx(]0 -
quote: My convictions arent so punny
What does "punny" mean?
Did you mean "puny" as in slight in power and size, or weak?0 -
yeah. Though lack of power is a bad way to think of it because they have worth to you... Its just they have no real uncorruptable meaning... 0 -
In otherwords you believe ideals are truths. Thats where you and I differ because your convictions can be used to justify atrosity, where as mine cannot. 0 -
Very interesting!![8D]
Stop the name calling and insults and get down to 'guts' of your positions, PLEASE! All the other 'stuff' is only entertainment. Like the u-tube teen age fights![}:)]
Back to it.
Some refer to me and others as 'apathetic compromisers' which would insinuate I don't care (apathetic) about the current state of affairs. Nothing could be further from the truth!!! Am I a 'compromiser', yes we ALL ARE. If not we could not function in the 'real' world. Do I like to compromise, NO I DO NOT! Do I, or you for that matter, have a choice, NO I (WE) DO NOT! Life is one big compromise. We have to decide where to draw the line.
But as I said earlier, this must be based in the real world, not in the ideal world.
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quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Jim,.......BTW, I do not "despise" you at all.
I HAVE given up trying to change your mind on the areas where you are willing to compromise, but it is your right to believe that way,......just as I have the right to believe what I do.
We simply believe in a different way. I choose no compromises, and you choose some.
Someone has to be a government loving,......freedom stealing "dirtball" for me to go to the level of "despising" them.
Marc, perhaps I should state my "view" as well.
While I can tolerate a differing opinion as well as anyone else can, let me explain my difference.
Opinions are great. Express yourself all you wish. When it comes to "rights", here is where our opinions will part ways. Before ANY of us were ever born, there existed ( and still does) a contract known as the constitution. In it is a bill of rights, that are inherent birthrights, and inalienable rights. These predated ANY of us. It was our inheritence before we ever were born. Now, some clown with an opinion is one thing. Express away. HOWEVER, when said clown tramples MY birthright, my RIGHTS, to fit their perverted VIEW of things......
Well, lets just say I am uncomfortable with that. I would just asoon see them burning at the stake, or swinging from the gallows.
Example:
A citizen doesn't like ANY type of guns. Ok, then you as an individual, should be allowed to ban them in THEIR home, business, car, ect.
The second they step OUTSIDE thier own domain, they invade MINE. Those people who support groups, politicians, organizations, ect. OUT to be tried for treason and HUNG.
I have ZERO tolerance for people who step past voicing an "opinion" and step to the realm of action to deprive their fellow countrymen/women of what is THEIRS (aka rights).
Their IS an amendment process to our "contract". Either they should do things PROPERLY, or they should shut the hell up. I think my distain for those type of people have made me feel much more "readily to act" against them. I am fed up with these "comprimise" folks.
Hang em' all.
I happen to agree 100% with the above, and understand your disgust with those scenarios.
All I was saying is that while I don't agree with Jims views on "reality" as he calls it,.......I don't think he is the type that is doing any of the above, except voicing his differing opinion.
I also believe he would be standing shoulder to shoulder in the pit with folks like us if it comes to that.
Don't get me wrong,.....I don't understand his beliefs, but I guess he can't understand ours either?
I have given up trying to point out where he is wrong, but I wanted to let him know that I did not "despise" him personally.
Nothing more,......nothing less!0 -
Marc,
I will say it AGAIN, I understand completely your beliefs!!! I don't disagree in principal, only degree. And yes when and if the SHTF we can count on each other!!![;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Marc,
I will say it AGAIN, I understand completely your beliefs!!! I don't disagree in principal, only degree. And yes when and if the SHTF we can count on each other!!![;)]
Jim,......yes I know you do. I am not the best person in the world at getting my exact thoughts across in writing![:0]
You believe in the second also, but don't think that a "literal" interpretation will ever fly per se.
I will never depart from the "strict" view, and will keep fighting to get all of the illegal laws removed. We all know that they accomplish nothing, other than removing honest citizens rights accorded to them.
Criminals will NEVER be stopped, and yes,.......you will always have the occasional "law-abiding" citizen go postal. I knew one!
A fellow here that was in the same type of business as I for even longer than me "bonked out" a few years ago.
He and his wife had just moved into a huge new home, and shortly afterward he was served with divorce papers.
Evidently one day he flipped, and waited for her to come home,......shot her in the head with a .357, and then killed himself.
There is also no way to stop a "crime of passion."
I didn't know the guy well, just had seen him around here for years in the supply houses, and at the county pulling permits.0 -
This is one of my beliefs as well:
Anyone is capable of anything, any where, at any time. Both good and bad!!!![;)]0 -
I find a lot of this very entertaining. I read from so many keyboard commandos how the traitors to the constitution should by shot on sight. Hung from the nearest tree. So forth and so on. Blah Blah Blah. Yet I don't see anything happening. I don't see any attempts on various well known law makers that have fought and passed these many unconstitutional anti-gun laws. I mean come on guys. Put up or shut up. There are traitors to the constitution in our governemnt right now. Don't compromise and let our version of reality get in your way. ACT. PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. What are you waiting for ? The big one ? So you can go around and talk big and say you struck a blow for freedom yesterday but taking out some minion of the beast while hiding in your basement hoping to god they don't find you. Come on why wait. You guys are that serious, then you should act now. Don't let those unconsitutional laws stop you. You know whats right. Just do it.
ROTFMAO Yeah right. And I'm going with Mega Lotto tomorrow.0
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