WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE ARE UNARMED?
what do you think would happen if we were?
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quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:be it as it may, semantics.
No, I don't think it is merely semantics.
An unarmed 'Man' is still dangerous, if he must be..
We live in a nation of armed people that are helpless...unless authorized to use those weapons by the government.
The average 'man' today is only dangerous if you get between him and the tv...or scratch his car.
Rather pathetic.
Agreed.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
A test for citizenship would not be out of the question, were we ever to have the chance to actually affect change here.
I was speaking in Heinlein's terms, test would have to be a personal sacrifice, nothing academic. Just imagine the change it would've made, but it opens doors to a other abuses. My personal opinion is that humans just have to go through periods of readjustments and there will never be a close to perfect formula, just wonder how long 'til ours...0 -
Everything is futile in the end. Life has always been and still is a struggle until death. Everthing here fails to entropy in time, nothing gold can stay. The question is, are we well passed our half life and succomed too that inevitable point yet? Or is this simply another recession in our time so that the struggle can begin anew? That is a greater question then I can answer, but there is one thing you can count on, time will tell. Also, we have wasted more potential in centuries then our predecessors wasted in eions. 0 -
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Please. If you can help this fellow American, look into it.0 -
"WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE ARE UNARMED?"
You need ask? Just look at all the lovely freedoms they have other places in which this happened! First example could be Cuba.0 -
I live in Canada. I wish my constitution said that I had the right to bear arms because I do not have this right. I have the permission to have a firearm and this permission has many limitations.
Have people become less violent because they do not have firearms? The answer is no.
Will I become more violent if I have a firearm or more firearms? The answer is no.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dabluz
I live in Canada. I wish my constitution said that I had the right to bear arms because I do not have this right. I have the permission to have a firearm and this permission has many limitations.
Have people become less violent because they do not have firearms? The answer is no.
Will I become more violent if I have a firearm or more firearms? The answer is no.
You're wrong on one count. Your government may not recognize it, but you HAVE a right to be armed, it's a natural right, our constitution does not grant us the right, what it does is recognize that right exists and is not to be infringed by government. Not that this gets in the way of government running roughshod over our liberties. But I digress. Just because you live in Canada doesn't mean you have no right to be armed, it mereely shows your government does not trust you in the excercise of said rights. Which in turn indicates to me that your government should not be trusted.0 -
Sorry, but there is nothing in our bill of rights or our constitution that explictly states that anyone in Canada has the right to own a firearm. Only the native indians have this right.
Owning a firearm in Canada is a privilege. Yes, in Canada you have the right to own a car. Any one in Canada can own a car....even a 1 month old baby or a convict. But owning a firearm is a privilege. You must prove that you merit this privilege. You must take a course and pass an exam and then get a series of signatures from people of good standing that also state that you merit a firearm.
I know this because I worked for the police for 11 years and I was an instructor in gun safety (obligatory course for obtention of a permission to own a firearm).
Native indians do not have to attend any courses or pass an exam.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dabluz
Sorry, but there is nothing in our bill of rights or our constitution that explictly states that anyone in Canada has the right to own a firearm. Only the native indians have this right.
Owning a firearm in Canada is a privilege. Yes, in Canada you have the right to own a car. Any one in Canada can own a car....even a 1 month old baby or a convict. But owning a firearm is a privilege. You must prove that you merit this privilege. You must take a course and pass an exam and then get a series of signatures from people of good standing that also state that you merit a firearm.
I know this because I worked for the police for 11 years and I was an instructor in gun safety (obligatory course for obtention of a permission to own a firearm).
Native indians do not have to attend any courses or pass an exam.
Governments do not grant rights - they are something you already possess. That they do not allow you to excercise your right I understand, but I also understand that the concept of inalienable rights may be difficult for people to understand as many are still under the illusion that "the government" grants us "rights". This is how they keep us in control, by fooling the masses into believing in the benevolence of governments granting rights to its populace, not the other way around.0 -
There was a time when owning a firearm in Canada was a right. Even a baby could own a firearm though being able to use it and having the permission to use it had limitations. This was also due to the fact that people under the age of 16 to 21 at that time were not considered to be full citizens.
Since owning a firearm is not in our constitution, there was no way to stop the government from changing the rules and this is where a constitution is important. Even the governement cannot change a constitution....at least I hope not.
Most Canadians (who bother to do a little bit of free thinking) are behind the Americans who struggle to keep their constitution intact. However, you have to admit that your freedom of free speech and your right to privacy are taking a beating.0 -
We would submit or die![xx(] 0 -
quote:Jim Rau
Senior Member
USA
1180 Posts
Posted - 08/29/2008 : 1:36:00 PM
We would submit or die!
FINALLY...all is revealed.0 -
If we are disarmed those are the only two chioces we will have.[xx(]
Bring a club to a gun fight and see what happens HB![;)]
PS: Go back to page 5 of the 'would you fight' thread for my answer!!!0 -
If the ghouls in power waved a magic wand and vanished every weapon in the hands of civilians..some of us would be cutting throats with a butter knife and building new weapons in their basement.
Submit, indeed.0 -
Talk is VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, cheap, cheep, cheep, cheep. As the chick would say!!!![}:)]
If you keep shooting off your mouth you will be one of the first ones they 'take out'.[xx(]
Walk (and talk) softly and carry a big stick![8D]0 -
originally posted by Jim Rau:
We would submit or die![xx(]
Jim,
There are those of us who would rather die than submit, and live our lives in servitude. You also stated,
"Bring a club to a gun fight and see what happens"
Already happened a little over 2 centuries ago. We know how that one turned out. A man forced to choose between liberty and slavery makes for a very formidable and dangerous foe. The deciding factor(s)in a fight are not always equipment and numbers. I can cite several examples from history to prove that. Many times, the spirit and heart with which a man fights is enough to make him victorious.
Jim, who do you suppose will be the ones charged with, how did you put it?, "taking us out"?0 -
WS,
Read the other thread, can't you hear that loud thumping sound???[;)]0 -
WS,
Read the other thread, can't you hear that loud thumping sound???[;)]
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It's my head beating aginst the wall WS!!!!![xx(] 0 -
It's my head beating aginst the WS!!!!!
Why?0 -
quote:If you keep shooting off your mouth you will be one of the first ones they 'take out'
What is your point ?
My life for not telling the truth ?
Hmm ? Should I adopt your position, Jim..."Gun Control is Good".???
I reckon I will continue to tell the truth...and let the chips fall where they may.
See..I also believe in God. The Beast will be allowed to kill me right after God says so...and not one second sooner.0 -
This obsession with "self defence", "fighting for your freedom", "fighting for freedom from slavery", "firearms against clubs" seems to dominate throughout the ideas presented so far. They do not stand well with a lot of people....especially to Canadians and many european countries where violence is not the first response to a situation. These somewhat violent visions should not overbear the idea that everyone has a basic human right to privacy, ownership, feeling secure, free thinking etc.
Don't forget, it's the majority (whether it's in the U.S, Canada, Great Britan, Australia or elsewhere) who want to see some kind of ban on firearms. They have been misinformed from the beginning into thinking that it's the firearms that cause violence. Simply saying that you would rather die fighting than relinquishing your firearms is a violent response in itself.
Any violence, whether it is sanctioned or not strikes a negative note to the debat. What should be put forth is the fact that firearms are not associated with violence. The word "firearm" should not be in any way associated to the word "weapon". A firearm is a tool....not a weapon. Yes, it can be used as a weapon but so can a car, a pillow or scissors or fork or hammer or poison or gas or pollution.0 -
HB,
You don't get it, and you NEVER WILL!! I am sorry you feel this way![xx(]0 -
Amen, Dabluz[:)] 0 -
Sure;
I understand you guys. 'Violence' is only condoned by you when sanctioned by government.
The Cannuck I can understand..living under Socialism and w hOoreshipping a King or Queen...one can expect that sort of belief.
What I CANNOT understand is an American THINKING THAT WAY.
This country was formed with fire and sword...and destroyed by pissants with suits and ties.
Weapons, you idiots is what the SECOND AMENDMENT IS ALL ABOUT...WEAPONS
Weapons that can be used to keep a government in check. You don't like that. TOUGH. You and the rest of the anti-gunners.
Just PLEASE STOP RUNNING ABOUT 'teaching' the ignorant your perverted view of the Second Amendment !!
I want a CLEAR distinction between the watered-down, government friendly Second you and the NRA preach...and the REAL Second Amendment.0 -
No it's not HB, it's about 'ARMS'!! How could you make such a mistake!!!!! 0 -
Whisky Sam,
Do you like to argue just for the sake of argument??[;)]
I keep repeating myself and so do you. Beleive me, I heard you the first time. I understand what you are saying, I once said EXACTLY the same thing you are saying. I have revised my approach and you have not and do not wish or intend to, I understand this, so give it a rest.[|)]0 -
quote:Do you like to argue just for the sake of argument??
I keep repeating myself and so do you. Beleive me, I heard you the first time. I understand what you are saying, I once said EXACTLY the same thing you are saying. I have revised my approach and you have not and do not wish or intend to, I understand this, so give it a rest.
Well, I cannot say the same thing...NEVER ONCE in my life have I said that government has the authority, duty, or powers granted by the Constitution to regulate, make laws concerning, or rules about firearms.
I also do not believe that you EVER said that..not even ONCE in your life.
Contrary to your statement.. I DO understand you.
You are an Anti-Gunner..in the finest tradition of the TrFoxs/NRAs of the world.0 -
From what I can see, there are a few people who think that Canada is a socialist state. I would like to know why they say this? Our laws are almost exactly the same. Our governements are very similar except the fact that in Canada, every citizen has an equal right when it comes to vote. In the U.S., you have those "super voters", states that have more power than other states. Here in Canada, every electoral area has an equal number of voters. Each area has party members and each area votes for the member they want in parliament. This is the same for provincial politics too. Canada was first to let women vote. Canada has never lost a war. Even the one against the U.S. in 1812. Canada has more guns per household than the U.S. The provincial governements do not have more power than the federal governement. Canada's laws are the same throughout the nation. I guess the only socialist thing that Canada has and that americans do not is a free medical system. Other than that, our laws are exactly the same as most of the states in the U.S. We have not enacted any laws permitting the governement to spy on us contrary to the U.S. where the governement may use wiretaps to listen to conversations...that is a socialist act.
Oh yes....before I forget. The Queen of England or any of the future monarchs do not have the least bit of political power in Canada. We do not give them any money either.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rkba4ever
quote:Originally posted by Dabluz
Sorry, but there is nothing in our bill of rights or our constitution that explictly states that anyone in Canada has the right to own a firearm. Only the native indians have this right.
Owning a firearm in Canada is a privilege. Yes, in Canada you have the right to own a car. Any one in Canada can own a car....even a 1 month old baby or a convict. But owning a firearm is a privilege. You must prove that you merit this privilege. You must take a course and pass an exam and then get a series of signatures from people of good standing that also state that you merit a firearm.
I know this because I worked for the police for 11 years and I was an instructor in gun safety (obligatory course for obtention of a permission to own a firearm).
Native indians do not have to attend any courses or pass an exam.
Governments do not grant rights - they are something you already possess. That they do not allow you to excercise your right I understand, but I also understand that the concept of inalienable rights may be difficult for people to understand as many are still under the illusion that "the government" grants us "rights". This is how they keep us in control, by fooling the masses into believing in the benevolence of governments granting rights to its populace, not the other way around.
Do you mean that any criminal with a violent background has the right to buy and own a firearm in the U.S? Here in Canada, the only persons who do not have the right to own a firearm are people with a violent background. Some lose their right for 5 years, others 10 years. After this period of time, they must prove that they no longer have a problem with violence in order for them to be able to own a firearm.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dabluz
Do you mean that any criminal with a violent background has the right to buy and own a firearm in the U.S? Here in Canada, the only persons who do not have the right to own a firearm are people with a violent background. Some lose their right for 5 years, others 10 years. After this period of time, they must prove that they no longer have a problem with violence in order for them to be able to own a firearm.
What you're talking about is not a right but a privilege.0
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