WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE ARE UNARMED?
what do you think would happen if we were?
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Imagine a scenario;
On junovjan 2063, Monday morning, every patriot left alive in America picks out one enemy and kills him... starting at 8:00 AM.
By nightfall...it is all over.
The enemy, at that time, will be obvious.
Those serving the Beast..eagerly, fawningly, and with great glee killing Americans.
It is quite obvious that they will win every pitched battle...and I believe they will lose the war.
Superior weapons, superior training, better condition they are in .but fighting for their country they are not.
Deep down, they know that, and that will be the fatal weakening of the minions of the Elite.
Oh, the Elite are fully convinced that you should be a total servant to them...but their strike forces will be fighting for money, rape, robbery, or land promised them.0 -
In my share of fights (hand to hand) my physical training broke them and they fell when my rage was brought too bare. That said I could not fight twenty people and guess the outcome. 0 -
Obama would spread his angel wings and protect us all!/fuzzy wuzzy off.
We would have to live with marxist BS until the free thinking machinists of America came to the rescue!
Vote for McCain, buy time for freedom!0 -
No, flogger...you do not deserve 'time'.
People like you had the chance to turn this thing around...and you spit on that chance.
You get no more cooperation from we that support America.0 -
How many police and military personel would be fine to fight their fellow American too? While Im sure plenty would I cant help but think a good amount would refuse or take to our side even. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
You are right in every respect. It is simply this, I am not an advocate of spray and pray, but more ammo in you weapones mag means more chances to hit that enemy down range before reloads, it means that you can offer supression fire while your buddy with a bolt rifle takes out your enemy. there is a houndred more reasons for us too have those weapones and there capabilities in warfare, along side good bolt guns and shotguns.
This is my first post here, so firstly "Hello" to all.
Think about one thing in this aspect: sniper/spotter teams. Anyone who hunts deer could be a possible sniper in waiting. Couple the deer rifle with optics with a partner with an AR or AK (or auto-loader of your choice, I happen to have both), and you could have effective small teams that would be hard to combat against. One shot fired, one enemy down with his team in dissaray while the 2 man team melts into the shadows, only letting the weapon with a hi-cap mag speak if necessary to facilitate egress.
I know there are alot more variables that would go into it, and not having been in the military for training, maybe (well, more than likely) I'm looking through rose colored glasses at the scenario. If you're in a situation where you don't have to go "toe to toe" with your enemy, but are able to use cover and distance to selectively engage a single taget of opportunity, wouldn't that increase your chances of success and survival concurrently?0 -
rkba4ever
i like you dont have any military experiance, but your plan of action seems like the better rout to go then open confrontation. this way you only loose 2 people should things go bad. verses a whole squad in a firefight. just need to get better at shooting at those longer ranges.0 -
quote:Originally posted by joshmb1982
sorry in 94 i was 12 years old. though i had a love for firearms i was not concerned with any of this. that was when the brady bill passed though correct?? banning the hicap mags??
yes, and certian other offensive weapones like the feather 9, and any other pistol with the mag ahead of the pistol grip, high caps rifle and pistol mags. Also semi auto shotguns with folding stocks, I think. All the stuff thats best for close quarters hairy situations.0 -
theres sure been some good answers on this topic. i have truly enjoyed reading them.. the idea of small 2 man teams is damned good!!..well thought out.
in a stand up fight there would be no way to defeat the u.s. military machine, but as the so called "rebels" learnt during your war of independance hit and run is a good tactic.
also you would have to realise that in modern times sattelite surveilance would be used against you if you formed up in big groups, one attack from helicopters and a lot would die in no time flat...small is safer. also you would be able to trust your mate who was with you...the more in the group the greater the risk of traitors selling you out!! and that would be a real problem to deal with, and its easy to say that when they were caught they would be killed...fair enough, but how much damage have they done before you catch them? how many have been killed or betrayed?..speaking personally i cant think of 3 people who i would trust 100%, no doubt about it, no questions asked! it is a question everyone would have to ask themselves..."can/do i trust this person with my life"
...again, small is better. there would be people who could operate well in urban situations, and ones who would thrive in the rural areas. and dont forget, you wouldnt get any help for training or being equiped by a "friendly" neighbour. there would be no safe border to cross for any reason, and you can bet those borders would be patrolled heavily..i understand the deal has already passed your congress to allow mexican and canadian troops to enter the u.s. to "police" u.s. citizens if the situation requires it.
never forget that a lot of very well trained military personel would desert and support you if they had to...they would be worth their weight in gold.
i do believe that all these hypothetical thoughts we are sharing wont ever happen unless full registration of every firearm is implemented...that im afraid is the beginning of the end!!! trust me on that...it means "they" can take them whenever "they" want!
im speaking from expirience, we lost all hope in 1996 when full registration nation wide came into effect, the excuse used to impliment it was a lie, but that didnt stop it happening...in the 1980`s the then federal government signed a u.n. charter to disarm australia...at the time the federal government had no control over guns here, gun laws were up to each individual state to administer as they saw fit!..we had a massacre in my state when a sick meanie killed 35 people ...that was all the excuse the feds needed to threaten the states to adopt the laws the feds demanded or all federal funding for the states would be stopped!..it was pure blackmail..illegal, unconstitutional, but the laws were passed ...millions of $ were donated by gun owners to lobby to get the laws over turned...nothing happened..our equivelent to the nra is the ssaa...sporting shooters association of australasia...they sold us out...if you want pistols here you have to join the ssaa...they basically support the national laws!...its too damn late for us to get the laws changed here because we have compulsory voting...if we dont vote we get fined and can be sent to jail...lobby groups here have no influence like they do in the u.s...the politicians know either one or the other major party will form government...and they know their turn will come in a few years so all they have to do is be patient! democracy doesnt exhist here!!!...it still does in the u.s.a. and i hope you can maintain it.. i sure dont want to read that you have lost your god given constitutional rights...we look up to you and envy you your freedoms, it gives us heart when we see on tv or read about you standing up for your rights, but if the time comes where you feel you have to fight for those rights, please think it through carefully...you wont be any use if you are dead...be smart and stay alive and keep fighting.
ph, and good luck!0 -
anyone that has knowledge of ruby ridge, waco, texas church group or has seen swat teams take out targets knows that civilians cannot resist govt action...civil rights have to be protected by political action beforehand or it is generally to late...check out some points of the patriot act........... 0 -
[:D]come and get it!! 0 -
quote:anyone that has knowledge of ruby ridge, waco, texas church group or has seen swat teams take out targets knows that civilians cannot resist govt action...civil rights have to be protected by political action beforehand or it is generally to late...check out some points of the patriot act...........
How does it feel to be a shill for the government ?0 -
It feels like daisies tickleing my coffin. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by quickmajik
what do you think would happen if we were?
Nothing in your lifetime, or mine. Crime would rise slightly, but that's about it. Most gun owners are unarmed already. Some would bitch and moan, some would find some other hobbies, most wouldn't do anything. And, it's just a matter of time, again, maybe not our lifetimes.0 -
Most gun owners are unarmed unmanned already.
There...that is closer to the truth.
No thanks neccessary.
I do agree that most gun owners will bend over, after dropping their pants. They seem to enjoy being buggered by the Beast.
However...ALLL will not...and enough will not submit so that the dead beat shirker New American will have his bacon pulled out of the fire...yet again.
Perhaps THIS time we will flat out forbid those who will not defend freedom to possess arms.
ONLY supporters of the Second ought to be armed, perhaps...so as to never again confuse the issue with weak, cowardly Quislings willing to trade everything for security.0 -
HB,
You have a way with words.[:D]0 -
Firedude;
Pot calling the kettle black ? [:D]
I admire the way you and Lt string words together...you are able to appeal to 'civilized folk'.
Me...I just slap 'em upside the head and trust that shakes the cobwebs loose.
Certainly has made for an interesting life. Most folks take it personal...and want to kick my az.
Even happened..now and again. [:D][:0]0 -
Me...I just slap 'em upside the head and trust that shakes the cobwebs loose.
Certainly has made for an interesting life. Most folks take it personal...and want to kick my az.
Even happened..now and again.
I'd be willing to bet that you're quite capable of "giving" too.[:D]0 -
Well..I have 'gave at the office' a time or two...so to speak.
In SPITE of what Pickenup thinks...I have gotten plumb mellow in my old age.
The healing takes lots longer, nowadays...the main reason.0 -
Same here. If we have a busy shift at work, when I get up in the morning, the reality of not being 18 anymore hits me square in the face; and neck, and arms, and back, and legs........... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Firedude;
Pot calling the kettle black ? [:D]
I admire the way you and Lt string words together...you are able to appeal to 'civilized folk'.
Me...I just slap 'em upside the head and trust that shakes the cobwebs loose.
Certainly has made for an interesting life. Most folks take it personal...and want to kick my az.
Even happened..now and again. [:D][:0]
Smooth words are overrated at times HB. Ws and I can do okay in that respect, but you can too, if so inclined.
Once in awhile, nothing is better to get a point across than a swift kick in the nuts.
When I choose to deliver a swift kick, it isn't near as brutal as yours.
Like I have said before, it is a beautiful thing to see.[:D]
You deliver those like few others that I have seen.[;)]0 -
Agreed 100%.
Oftentimes there is no substitute for the cold hard truth delivered in a straight-forward, blunt, and unambiguous manner.0 -
Well, gentlemen...between us all...we perhaps will sift the wheat from the chaff.
After a few years on the net...I begin to believe that long posts were not being read. I set out to "keep it simple, stupid". Since I already was long tired of the lengthy arguments over gun Rights that I engaged in every day..it was a small step to "short and ugly".
Generally had upwards of a dozen men engaged in these arguments...and mostly they supported gun controls.
At least...at first......
After 12-15 years, management basically forbade discussions about anything meaningful..and I realized that it was time to leave the job.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wsfiredude
Agreed 100%.
Oftentimes there is no substitute for the cold hard truth delivered in a straight-forward, blunt, and unambiguous manner.
Oftentimes yes, but in my time I've learned that short and blunt will get you about as far as leader as it will with a cheerleader, in some cases, especially communication. Long and smooth runs in my family and I have talked way more flies down with honey, I have made more friends with that mode of being as well.
Fighting is a different story, so is living, but this is isnt that, I want people to think, not get pissed and wallow and stew in some bass emotion while they should be stimulating that grey mush between their ears.
On warfare
-If you dont have atleast three contingency plans in most situations you are probably already screwed.0 -
"About as far as leader", 'cheerleader. ect...'
Well, feller...you certainly nailed the average gun owner to the wall..because the average gun owner is all fluff flitter...just like the cheerleader you mentioned.
Your mistake is in assuming that I have the slightest interest in that guy.
I wish to discuss serious issues with MEN.
You also would be wrong...I have never wished to be a 'leader'. Wiping azes and drying runny noses has no place in my life.
However..I have confidence that out there is a man that IS a leader...and if ONE thing I say causes him to take hold and do what must be done .. my job on the soapbox is finished.
Now back to those 'men' I speak to on a regular basis; Those guys DO have the 'communication skills' that I lack.. or refuse any longer to exercise.
Just by being brutally frank and blunt.. I can get points across that otherwise would take pages to elucidate.
These men I am speaking about are intelligent .. they have no need of me filling in the blanks, normally.
I am telling them nothing they don't already know...but may be presenting it in just enough different light that they take the tiny seed planted and then they run with it.
EXACTLY as I do...from things THEY say.
They take some of mine, some of theirs, some of the next guy . things not normally available locally...and are putting those ideas into that presentation you so desperately desire..smooth, flowing, SEAMLESS...irrefutable by the garbage facing us.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
Most gun owners are unarmed unmanned already.
be it as it may, semantics. What I meant to say is that most have given up on their _right_ and see gun ownership as a permit, but we all know it and agree on it, so no point reiterating over it.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
However...ALLL will not...and enough will not submit so that the dead beat shirker New American will have his bacon pulled out of the fire...yet again.
Perhaps THIS time we will flat out forbid those who will not defend freedom to possess arms.
ONLY supporters of the Second ought to be armed, perhaps...so as to never again confuse the issue with weak, cowardly Quislings willing to trade everything for security.
It's a good sentiment. What this country needs is a redefinition of citizenship and voting privileges. Don't see any other way to turn things back to "normal" (original) state.0 -
quote:be it as it may, semantics.
No, I don't think it is merely semantics.
An unarmed 'Man' is still dangerous, if he must be..
We live in a nation of armed people that are helpless...unless authorized to use those weapons by the government.
The average 'man' today is only dangerous if you get between him and the tv...or scratch his car.
Rather pathetic.
A test for citizenship would not be out of the question, were we ever to have the chance to actually affect change here.0 -
What is going to be the catalyst for change? Is it going to take something big to wake the rest of America up to the fact that we've allowed our rights to be eroded? IMO, I think it will.
Most of this country has growth apathetic towards almost everything. They expect the government to do more and more, they abdicate their responsibilty for their own lives, and demand that the government handle that which they wish to not devote thought to dealing with. Health care, parenting, education - you name it, they would rather run up their credit cards, or borrow what they can't afford to live a lifestyle they don't deserve, then they expect to be bailed out when failing to excercise proper judgement in their lives. This has gone on for FAR too long, and it has given those who are supposedly there to serve an over-inflated ego and now feel it is THEY who should be served.
Call it the nanny state, big brother or what have you, but I believe they see themselves as little kings running their fiefdoms collecting taxes, granting privileges and trampling on the serfs in order to appease their own appetites. The corruption is so deep you will more than likely find it's poisonous, seductive roots have wound their way down deep into every political office down to the smallest town mayor or city council.
It's going to get worse before it gets better, they will want to have control over more and more of what happens in our lives. And to gain that control, they will have to remove any ability that remains of resistance to their agenda. This is why they have been pushing their gun control agendas for so long. Our founding fathers referred to arms as the peoples liberty teeth, and that the beauty of the second amendment is that it won't be necessary until they try to do away with it. They wish to sweep it all away "for the greater good" they'd say, for "safety and security" they'd say. I for one see through The Great Lie, and will not lay back in the chair and let them pull my teeth "just to be safe" in case I might bite someone or myself.0 -
What would you say if I told you that your thoughts arent just speculations and assumtions. Rather that you are indeed spot on and that you are in opposition to the beast that is within and without. wether you want too be or not. You can not unsee things once they have been seen. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rkba4ever
Most of this country has growth apathetic towards almost everything.
Very true. However, most of this country has always been apathetic to start with, most of any country is apathetic. And that is not a bad thing, I'd rather have most of the country apathetic than openly propagating opposition to freedom. The other issue is that what constitutes "most" now, is while living in this country has nothing to do with it -- at least a quarter are immigrants unwilling to accept the values of this country and assimilate. Include their offspring -- and you got 80 million registered dems. All runs in their families too, and almost never breaks out of the cycle, however, if a few brave men were to change the whole situation, at least they wouldn't resist.
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