Stuck case out, wood dowel still stuck....update. Dowel is finally out.
So...a 22 lr rimfire bolt gun. Rifle fired (100% certain as I have a 22 caliber hole in the clean target).
The case got stuck. No big deal I think, so I take a wooden dowel put it into the barrel, give it a gentle tap with a rubber mallet and the dowel snaps off at the end of the barrel (nothing left to grab on)! It won't come out as I think it is now stuck in the case.
Suggestions?
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Didja get it out yet?
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Yep, I now have a more paranoid heads up about gunsmiths.
I think I have seen some guns that have had repairs attempted by some of these forum gunsmiths suggestions.
How to reduce the possibility of scope eyebrow cuts from a hard kicking Magnum rifle.
for example: check this link
I think I have met this gunsmith
Use a coat hanger to pull the trigger after adding the extension
That is hilarious
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drobs: 33232019941147/comments/33232098402203
Didja get it out yet?
I appreciate the inquiry. I have not gotten it out yet. I went to a metal supply outfit and ordered a custom brass rod that should fit the barrel much better.
My plan now is to take the barreled action, wipe the exterior down with a oiled cloth and put it in my deep freezer for an hour.
Take it out, put it in my padded vice and then use the better fitted rod to tap it out with hopes it won't mushroom.
If that works I will then keep the rod for any future stuck cases...and I may even order some others in sizes that would work for my other firearms so I can avoid a similar debacle. I'll keep the forum updated.
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At this point, I think the solution needs to involve a second gun. Proposal, align the bbl of this gun with the bbl of a 17 HMR and go to work pounding that splintering dowel out.
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Mr. Perfect: 33232019941147/comments/33232159114267
At this point, I think the solution needs to involve a second gun. Proposal, align the bbl of this gun with the bbl of a 17 HMR and go to work pounding that splintering dowel out.
Why would I destroy a perfectly good rifle when a little patience on my end and the new rod will come in?
Besides...if I get a 17hmr what will I do will all my 22lr ammo? Send it to you?🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Ya might want to leave it in the freezer overnight. That is if you're doing that to try to dry out the wood.
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Freezing the barrel will shrink the barrel and tighten the grip on the dowel...If you want to freeze the barrel then you will have to warm the barrel and not warm the dowel...What a mess...If you get the custom made brass rod...you need to start out with short lengths (2-3") so it doesn't bend and work your way up to longer lengths...JMHOP...
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Or use the brass rod as a damn drill and eat it out of there one chip at a time.
Okay that does it. Send me the barrel and I’ll get that piece of wood out of there. 🙈
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Grunt2: 33232019941147/comments/33232140052763
Freezing the barrel will shrink the barrel and tighten the grip on the dowel...If you want to freeze the barrel then you will have to warm the barrel and not warm the dowel...What a mess...If you get the custom made brass rod...you need to start out with short lengths (2-3") so it doesn't bend and work your way up to longer lengths...JMHOP...
Typically when I have removed barrels from a 22 action before I always freeze them. That tends to shrink the steel, meaning the outer diameter decreases and the inner diameter increases. It has always worked before so I have no doubt it will work with the steel now.
Of course what the cold does to the wood may be a different story.
Regardless I'll safely get it out. Sometimes.it just takes a little patience. The new rod should arrive by Friday. If I get the dowel out, I'll clean the rifle up, and take it to the range to shoot groups...
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Alright, lets take a few steps back. How about a brass rod small enough that you could sweat a short length of brass tubing on it that would shroud the end of the dowel to keep it from mushrooming over. I'm not going to stop till you get this out. I live for this kind of stuff.
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notnow: 33232019941147/comments/33232151962651
Alright, lets take a few steps back. How about a brass rod small enough that you could sweat a short length of brass tubing on it that would shroud the end of the dowel to keep it from mushrooming over. I'm not going to stop till you get this out. I live for this kind of stuff.
Don't worry, I'm not going to stop either! But I've learned my lesson. I'm going to wait until the right tool for the job arrives by UPS!😋
Then I will attack this again...until then I will be content with making my reloads for this weekends competition.🙂🤷🏼♂️
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When you freeze a steel tube the inner diameter will decrease. When you heat it, the inner diameter increases. Two proofs:
1) Cut a hole out of a steel disc. Heat the disc and heat the cutout plug at the same rate. After they reach temperature the plug will still fit the hole, although the plug has increased in diameter. So the hole got bigger.
2) Consider this picture. The length of each side on each square increases as you heat the green plate. Therefore the size of the hole in the center also increases.
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heat and cold in combination one real cold metal part and one hot part work well on installing some tight press fit bearings as one example
I do not see it helping with a wood plug thought
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Years ago my brother had a SKS with a fired steel case stuck in the barrel and someone tried to push it out with a piece of dowel but the dowel was jammed in the barrel and trying to drive it out wouldn't move it. I think I attached a brass screw to a steel cleaning rod and screwed it into the wooden plug and pulled it out. When I finally got it out I discovered the dowel had hit the case and started collapsing on itself in segments from the repeated pounding on it. That just caused the wood to wedge itself even tighter and no amount of pounding was going to break it loose. I have seen many 22 rim fire barrels with bulges that were caused by a squib load leaving a bullet part way down the barrel and the next bullet fired hitting it so I wouldn't recommending that as a method to remove the wood.
Perhaps you could use a propane torch to heat the barrel up just enough to scorch the wood but not hot enough to effect the heat treatment of the barrel steel.
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Grunt2: 33232019941147/comments/33232140052763
Freezing the barrel will shrink the barrel and tighten the grip on the dowel...If you want to freeze the barrel then you will have to warm the barrel and not warm the dowel...What a mess...If you get the custom made brass rod...you need to start out with short lengths (2-3") so it doesn't bend and work your way up to longer lengths...JMHOP...
Yep. Freezing will definitely shrink the inner diameter. What it might do though, is permanently deform the wood such that if you then heat up the bbl the wood won't expand as fast and may be pushed out more easily.
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I don't know why I keep thinking this and I know it is a stupid idea but I just have to share it.
I have a small funnel that I use to drop black powder into powder horns. It would fit into a 22 barrel. If you were to carefully pour a small amount of gasoline slowly down the bore and let it soak into the wood dowel for a few hours. Clean any spilled residue on the outside of barrel. Then, carefully with your face, hands, and body well away from the muzzle using a long extension lighter, fire it up and burn the dowel.
I know! Pretty dumb of me but I now feel better now that I got this off my chest!
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Brookwood: 33232019941147/comments/33232148260635
I don't know why I keep thinking this and I know it is a stupid idea but I just have to share it.
I have a small funnel that I use to drop black powder into powder horns. It would fit into a 22 barrel. If you were to carefully pour a small amount of gasoline slowly down the bore and let it soak into the wood dowel for a few hours. Clean any spilled residue on the outside of barrel. Then, carefully with your face, hands, and body well away from the muzzle using a long extension lighter, fire it up and burn the dowel.
I know! Pretty dumb of me but I now feel better now that I got this off my chest!
Thank you for the suggestion. However I have decided I am not going to try and burn the dowel out of the barrel. I truly believe that using a solid brass rod that is as close to the inner diameter of the barrel while still fitting inside and gently tapping it out with a large rubber mallet will be my best choice. I think had I gone that route when it was just a stuck case I wouldn't have even ended up starting this thread.🙂
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Mr. Perfect: 33232019941147/comments/33232148090651
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11267962#Comment_11267962
Yep. Freezing will definitely shrink the inner diameter. What it might do though, is permanently deform the wood such that if you then heat up the bbl the wood won't expand as fast and may be pushed out more easily.
Pretty much what makes it work, combined with the freezers process of eliminating moisture for frost free.
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...Dude! You have FAR more patience than I do!..I'd say it was GUNSMITH time, a long time ago, how much is your time worth?....😲
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If you really want to dry the dowel, take the stock off and put it in an oven set to 180 degrees or so overnight. Maybe 24 hrs. The dowel will dry.
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Take the stock off, toss the barrel in a fire.
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No seriously do you have an air compressor? Maybe a rubber tiped blow off attachment and some air pressure.
I would blow from Breech
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Try putting rifle into your safe. If you have a dehumidifier let it pull some moisture out of the wood. Try for one week. This will shrink the wood, and hopefully it will be easier to remove. I agree don't put anymore wood in the barrel to dislodge your problem. Good luck.
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Send it to Chuck Norris. He will stare it out.
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Texas1911DE: 33232019941147/comments/33232170149147
...Dude! You have FAR more patience than I do!..I'd say it was GUNSMITH time, a long time ago, how much is your time worth?....😲
Not wasting any time actually. Last night I made some reloads for my competition rifle, today I was off and went to the range to test them out. I was very pleased with the results. Then I went home and replaced a door frame/molding that was starting to get rot at the bottom (outside door to my garage).
I found it's always good to have two or three little projects going on at a time. That way I can take a break from one when I hit a road block or get frustrated.
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I have used a grease gun with a zerk fitting on percussion muzzle loading barrels to pump out obstructions before. Unfortunately, there is no place to screw such a fitting into a modern type barrel.
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Well??? UPS show up with the brass rod yet??
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We are all anxiously waiting for the arrival of that brass rod.-----------------------Ray
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@kidthatsirish , I'll bet you'll think twice before asking for advice on this forum in the future!!
LOL!🤣
LoL! Well, it's not the first and likely won't be the last.
Because of the delay I took the opportunity to mount and properly torque a new scope and set of rings on a buddy of mine's rifle.
I'll make up some test/zero loads for it tomorrow.
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Well....the brass rod finally arrived. The brass rod mic'ed at 0.219 inches it fit very snug down the barrel.
The rifle has been in an air conditioned room for the past two plus weeks so hopefully the dehumidified air helped shrink the rod. I had to repeatedly hammer the rod. The wooden dowel came out in multiple broken pieces. It had wedged up on the other one over a period of about 3 1/2 inches.
I am extremely glad to have this rod out. Had to leave the house to take the sons to scouts tonight. When I get home I will clean out the barrel and see how it looks.
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