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  • hillbille
    my son just finished his masters and is working on his PHD, he owes less than $3000, for his 6+ years of school, there are many, many academic scholarships that go unused as either people don't know/qualify for. His $3000 is for a motorcycle he bought with one of the scholarships money that could be used for anything but you had to pay back 25% within 5 years. If you have the grades the money is there you just have to find it, a lot easier than beating your body up playing football..... he is now teaching calculus 3 for the college while working on his PHD, don't know where the brains came from, but glad he's got em........
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  • bambihunter
    Quick&Dead wrote:
    buddyb wrote:
    You learn a hell of a lot more at the school of hard knocks than any college degree.

    That is so true and much of what you learn in college is unused in a career......IF one even works in the career they trained for.

    However, without that college degree so many doors of opportunity are LOCKED forever.
    :(

    Couldn't agree with the bolded part more.

    It took me 6 years to get an associates degree thanks to two long stints with crippling back issues where I could hardly even stand and walk, let alone try to sit in class. I now have over 20 years in the I.T. field (chosen because of back issues actually) but I have hit somewhat of a glass ceiling even though I have taken the specific I.T. classes equivalent to a bachelors. Now, in my late 40's and on heavy doses of opiates, I am just able to work and not much else. I don't think I'll ever try to go back to school. The pain meds affect my memorization, but thankfully not my troubleshooting skills.

    Similarly, my brother-in-law was destined to be a tradesman. He just has that type of mentality and skill set. He has worked at a aeronautics machine company since around 1992. Last year, the maintenance manager position came up and he applied for it. They hired a person fresh out of school with a bachelors of science that has never worked in maintenance, machine shop, or similar capacity in his life. The company told my brother-in-law that he'd never be considered for the position due to lack of degree.

    My wife works in H.R. in the medical field and has a masters degree. Largely due to my situation, she sees that education is important, but experience can, does, and should have an experience equivalent. She is always asking the department managers when they want to submit a request to fill a job if that position actually requires a college degree. Often they say it does even when she knows it does not (she writes the job descriptions). She often says, so let's say this person applies with 10 years of experience, you'd rather have someone fresh out of college? Most of the time they say 'well, in that case'. So, most of the time she re-writes it to say "college degree or equivalent experience required".

    I will add too that at least locally here in Oklahoma, I have begun seeing a push towards people going into the various trades industries due to a shortage of qualified workers. The way I see it, not everyone is cut out for college though advisors always push it. Trades are a great way to earn a solid living, less debt from student loans, and frankly, are simply a better fit for some folks who are not interested in a cubicle and/or 9-5.
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  • GilWilson1
    We told every kid that even to flip burgers you needed a degree, than we gave them access to 100K of loans to get said degree without any requirements to go along with it. Now we bitch because they are not paying.

    Oh and don't forget we changed the bankruptcy code to make sure they couldn't walk before we made student loans so easy.

    Just another gimmick by the system to bleed every dime out of America
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  • kidthatsirish
    Warbirds wrote:
    Brilliant.
    diver-rig wrote:
    You think a college degree is completely worthless now, wait until they?re free.

    Agreed!

    I worked really hard to get the scholarships that I did and graduated with 5k in student loan debt. My wife a lot more...but we have paid it all off. Why do other people want to end the idea that you should have to work hard to get ahead?
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