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Sam06

July 05, 2019 13:05

I am not watching it but

I Believe

I have seen some strange stuff way out in the literal middle of no frikin where.

I even reported some of it...................I figured I would get a Pee test but others saw it too.

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KenK/84Bravo

July 05, 2019 13:20

Sam06 wrote:

I am not watching it but

I Believe

I have seen some strange stuff way out in the literal middle of no frikin where.

I even reported some of it...................I figured I would get a Pee test but others saw it too.

Thank you Sam. You should check it out. It is very enlightening.

I have had the same out in the middle of nowhere type, of encounters.

I have spent a considerable amount of time, Hiking/Climbing/Kayaking/Mountaineering/Exploring the Backcountry, around this great Nation, for over 30 years.

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Hessian

July 05, 2019 13:53

I saw something not long ago, no idea if it was inane or important or an optical illusion. I was watching an airliner at night out of the normal flight paths going away from me to the east. I live twenty miles from a large international airport. They normally come in a little north of me, east to west, in the normal landing pattern. This one was flying east away from me south of the normal pattern when something came over the horizon from the south to north, I thought at first it was a meteor, it crossed over the flight path of the airliner, did a downwards fishhook one-eighty degree turn and left at the same velocity it approached. My thoughts were it was a really fast object by the amount of sky it covered in such a short period of time, It was all over in ten seconds and covered an estimated 60 miles of sky (best guesstimate 21,000 MPH). My second thought was that turn was so high G no plane could survive.
It may have been an optical illusion, it was night and I had no real reference. But it kind of shocked me to see something I mistook for a meteor doing a tight one-eighty degree downwards fishhook turn and not losing any velocity. A for real head-scratcher.
I rarely see anything flying out of the normal pattern in that direction going east and never anything flying south to north or north to south above 500 feet, just an occasional Life Flight
or Police helicopter.

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TRAP55

July 05, 2019 17:00

I had a ringside seat for the "Phoenix Lights" in AZ. I've heard all the "possible" explanations, but I still haven't heard one for the area of stars that were blocked by something that had to be miles in diameter.

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KenK/84Bravo

July 05, 2019 17:07

TRAP55 wrote:

I had a ringside seat for the "Phoenix Lights" in AZ. I've heard all the "possible" explanations, but I still haven't heard one for the area of stars that were blocked by something that had to be miles in diameter.

That would have been a sight, Sir.

Thank you for sharing.

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mrmike08075

July 05, 2019 22:21

Bob Lazar has a compelling narrative and if I was to choose to believe his story and his account and his testimonies would become the focus of much of my attention...

The tic tac carrier intercept footage and the documentary work that explores the subject through first person narrative witness testimony is also worthy of attention...

If I were to wax philosophic and to journey through the looking glass or down the rabbit hole these two venues would occupy much of my attention.

In addition to the ongoing multi war century long saga of the Foo Fighters as told by the trained combat pilots and crews from two dozen countries also attracts my attention.

Mike

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guns-n-painthorses

July 05, 2019 22:27

Get out in the plains states and you'll see some stuff that will blow your mind. Most people who live out here will never admit it, but they have seen something. I used to stay out at my Uncle's farm north of Gran island, Nebraska. More than once, seen things that we could not explain. And I'm not talking about the sattelites passing overhead.

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mrmike08075

July 06, 2019 00:24

On a trip to southern Mexico that started in Toronto...

We were on the tarmac in Texas - one of the largest aviation hubs in north America - almost as big as Atlanta's airport...

We had very bad turbulence flying into Texas - they were getting destroyed by severe thunder and lightning storms and shear line winds and hail and flash flooding...

We had to circle around in the pattern - planes stacked up and in parking orbits waiting for a cessation in bad weather long enough to allow landing safely - hoping not to divert or run out of fuel...

Texas was really getting nailed by a series of epic storms at the time.

We had been waiting on the tarmac in the plane on the taxi way for several hours when a window opened and several planes in line decided to take off and fly above or around the storm cells...

While we were still climbing - trying to reach altitude - only minutes after taking off the plane took multiple lightning strikes almost simultaneously...

The cabin lights went out - the oxygen masks dropped - several folk who did not have their seatbelt properly secured (seat belt buckles but they were sitting on top of them - concealing the issue beneath a blanket or jacket it turns out) levitated out of their seats as gravity stopped working - one guy slammed into the overhead and dropped back onto his seat (not into correctly but onto the seat arms)

Objects defied gravity and seemed to float.

We got struck by lightning a fourth time and a neon purple and pink ball of light came through the tail of the plane and slowly drifted / floated up the aisle before exiting through the roof before reaching first class curtains...

My hair stood up on my arms - there was a thrumming sensation and the feeling on a sound just beyond your hearing threshold - quite a bright light...

After it defused or departed the lights came back on and the pilot had the engines redlined as he tried to fly out of danger - grabbing altitude with the plane at a noticeable nose up angle...

We were told it was an effect similar to saint Elmo's fire - and some thought it was ball lightning...

I still to this day don't know what it was - I am not familiar with the phenomena - maybe someone here can tell me what it was...

I had several minutes of time during which I was positive the plane was going to crash.

I am still not convinced it was a natural phenomena.

Mike

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Ditch-Runner

July 06, 2019 00:37

I truly think no way are we the only living

fill in the blank in the vast untold billions of systems in space
I also think if we ever are made aware ( actual full blown every one knows contact ) our entire system will be stood on its end from religion and any feeling of superiority security will go right out of the window ''

I think Carl Sagan ( sp ) said it there is many countless life forms in the universe but the distance is so vast we may never come into contact .
flip side watching the ancient aliens shows they are some what convincing we have interacted in the distant past ,
ever feel like were a science project for some advanced race , were like well Joes ant farm :shock: :shock:

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discusdad

July 06, 2019 02:17

two long separate occassions i have witnessed"things" in the sky i have no logical explanation for. being an aviation buff i know what planes can and cannot do, at the present. what they were i have no clue. what they weren't was common airplanes, weather balloons, swamp gas, or reflections. we are not alone in the universe would be a logical conclusion.

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TRAP55

July 06, 2019 04:50

If you have a Starlight night vision scope, on a clear night with no moon, point it to the sky. After hearing about this, I tried it it with my PVS-3 rifle scope, and I can tell you, it's pretty damned amazing what's moving around out there, that you can't see with the naked eye. I'm not a betting man, but I would put money down that says whatever they are, we sure as hell didn't build them, or fly them.

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mnrivrat48

July 06, 2019 07:47

A subject close to my interest and close to my research for many years. If one looks at the information we have documented, and that which has not been released , you can not dispute that we are not the top dogs in this universe, nor this planet.

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spasmcreek

July 06, 2019 08:13

last weirdo was about 9pm one moonless night in fall of 1969 ? and we followed it for about 2 miles as it sped up so i slowed and flashed the car lights and the thing came back 180 turn almost a mile till it hung 1/4 mile away twice the height of the creek trees and changed color and was totally silent while we could hear dogs barking in town 1-1/2 mile away..saw it twice that fall at altitude ...beats me ...dad and grandad were pilots and i took flying lessons and i never knew of any aerial machine like that...it was a dark evening and aside for the changing color lights i could not see a shape ... kansas had a number of these events that summer and fall

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Warbirds

July 06, 2019 08:32

There is a new Netflix documentary out on Bob Lazar. I just watched it. The deal breaker for me is he has no evidence of his claimed education.

I am not one that displays my degrees anywhere- but they are in a box in the attic and certainly if I was a Phd from MIT in Physics I might be inclined to hang onto that piece of paper. No evidence of a bachelors from Cal Tech or a Phd from MIT. Even momma doesn?t have a photo on graduation day.
To counter this, the documentary does show Bob Lazar in the employee phone book of Los Alamos National Labs, it does not state a title.

My personal theory is he was probably a low level maintenance guy or something like that, got on at Los Alamos (someone has to change lightbulbs and take out the trash). From there he did got a gig doing the same work out at area 51.
Im guessing he spent 3-5 years doing maintenance work at these places- never personally saw anything but maintained the spaces where high end technology was being worked on. After a few years of never quite understanding what was going on around him he invented this story that he was a part of it, not on the outside looking in.

Any thoughts on my theory?

mrmike08075 wrote:

Bob Lazar has a compelling narrative and if I was to choose to believe his story and his account and his testimonies would become the focus of much of my attention...

The tic tac carrier intercept footage and the documentary work that explores the subject through first person narrative witness testimony is also worthy of attention...

If I were to wax philosophic and to journey through the looking glass or down the rabbit hole these two venues would occupy much of my attention.

In addition to the ongoing multi war century long saga of the Foo Fighters as told by the trained combat pilots and crews from two dozen countries also attracts my attention.

Mike

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Hessian

July 06, 2019 09:17

Warbirds wrote:

There is a new Netflix documentary out on Bob Lazar. I just watched it. The deal breaker for me is he has no evidence of his claimed education.

I am not one that displays my degrees anywhere- but they are in a box in the attic and certainly if I was a Phd from MIT in Physics I might be inclined to hang onto that piece of paper. No evidence of a bachelors from Cal Tech or a Phd from MIT. Even momma doesn?t have a photo on graduation day.
To counter this, the documentary does show Bob Lazar in the employee phone book of Los Alamos National Labs, it does not state a title.

My personal theory is he was probably a low level maintenance guy or something like that, got on at Los Alamos (someone has to change lightbulbs and take out the trash). From there he did got a gig doing the same work out at area 51.
Im guessing he spent 3-5 years doing maintenance work at these places- never personally saw anything but maintained the spaces where high end technology was being worked on. After a few years of never quite understanding what was going on around him he invented this story that he was a part of it, not on the outside looking in.

Any thoughts on my theory?

mrmike08075 wrote:

Bob Lazar has a compelling narrative and if I was to choose to believe his story and his account and his testimonies would become the focus of much of my attention...

The tic tac carrier intercept footage and the documentary work that explores the subject through first person narrative witness testimony is also worthy of attention...

If I were to wax philosophic and to journey through the looking glass or down the rabbit hole these two venues would occupy much of my attention.

In addition to the ongoing multi war century long saga of the Foo Fighters as told by the trained combat pilots and crews from two dozen countries also attracts my attention.

Mike

Just a side note, don't underrate the maintenance types, many don't have the I love me awards hanging on their office walls but are just as intelligent and in their own ways often more intelligent than the science/political/management types. I worked in half a dozen different departments that rarely talked to each other, need to know. And a reasonably observant individual can pick up a lot, osmosis. My security clearance was higher than my Boss and his Boss. Just saying.
The show has a little too much drama for my taste and you have to wonder about a guy that lugs around an old Alice pack instead of a briefcase (or a toolbox). I guess he thinks the Alice pack makes him look cool, to me he looks like a posser.

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KenK/84Bravo

July 06, 2019 09:30

In addition to the "Tic Tac" episode, documented by the Nimitz Battle group in 2004, (an episode that lasted for days, not a short period of time.) Off Catalina Island. "There were hundreds that dropped down into the radar screens from 28,000' descending like snowflakes. Slowly descending at a steady 100mph, unless approached, then they would drop down to Sea Level in 7/8ths of a second, a calculated speed of 24,000mph. Then they wold pop right back up to 28,000' feet, rejoin the formation, and continue descending at a slow 100mph." "One dropped into the Ocean, was picked on Sonar by an attack submarine, and was documented going over 70 knots underwater."

This formation was witnessed by many pilots, the entire Battle carrier groups radars, witnesses etc.

Oddly enough, a Helicopter arrived on board shortly after the episode, demanded all the data recorded and left the ship. All the data was sanitized and made to disappear, which all the Senior technicians said was impossible. Yet it happened.

People are coming forward to speak about the episode.

Then there is the "Go Fast," and the "Gimble" episodes, captured on F-18 Gun cameras and radar, by multiple pilots, and documented onboard ship by ATC.

Very interesting stuff, picked apart and analyzed/discussed by extremely knowledgable people - not Quacks.

If you have not watched the series, I would encourage you to do so. Dish Network ch. 120 History channel.
Very interesting stuff brought forward in a way that has never been done so before.

My two cents.

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He Dog

July 06, 2019 09:37

First and foremost, eye witness testimony is the least reliable evidence, right up there with rumor. Second, no one has ever explained why any lifeforms advanced enough or patient enough to travel a minimum of 30 light years would come here to play hide and go seek and not just say hello. It is quite a leap of faith to go from unexplained to aliens. A leap for me that is well beyond my abilities. Carry on.

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mrmike08075

July 06, 2019 09:54

https://youtu.be/oy-T_BsYLhE

https://youtu.be/PRgoisHRmUE

https://youtu.be/9SiPGq3YbXY

https://youtu.be/f7pgMfzTEZc

https://youtu.be/YJxl35Gd078

https://youtu.be/uaSY2Zc0goQ

https://youtu.be/4bGTLtdwPHM

https://youtu.be/f1a6uhV8ojA

https://youtu.be/BEWz4SXfyCQ

For your reading and viewing pleasure - apropos of nothing - tin foil hat transmissions...

Mike

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KenK/84Bravo

July 06, 2019 09:55

He Dog wrote:

First and foremost, eye witness testimony is the least reliable evidence, right up there with rumor. Second, no one has ever explained why any lifeforms advanced enough or patient enough to travel a minimum of 30 light years would come here to play hide and go seek and not just say hello. It is quite a leap of faith to go from unexplained to aliens. A leap for me that is well beyond my abilities. Carry on.

I agree with the statement regarding "Eye Witness," testimony.

This series has never before seen/or at least released video, gun camera footage, ATC data etc. (So) That is not relying on "Eye Witness" testimony alone. (Also) Some extremely Top level people are putting their reputations at stake in order to bring this forward.

Stories like the Bob Lazar information, make the whole investigation lose validity in my opinion. I personally believe it is a disinformation tactic. "If you can not dazzle them with your brilliance, baffle them with your Bullsheeit."

As far as why they are here, I do not presume to have an answer for that. (Also) Who says they have recently arrived? They may have been here for a very, very long time.

I personally find the information and the discussion of it fascinating.

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Warbirds

July 06, 2019 10:28

I suppose there are environments where the maintenance folks would have a ?need to know?. - like maybe onboard a submarine.

Hessian wrote:

Warbirds wrote:

There is a new Netflix documentary out on Bob Lazar. I just watched it. The deal breaker for me is he has no evidence of his claimed education.

I am not one that displays my degrees anywhere- but they are in a box in the attic and certainly if I was a Phd from MIT in Physics I might be inclined to hang onto that piece of paper. No evidence of a bachelors from Cal Tech or a Phd from MIT. Even momma doesn?t have a photo on graduation day.
To counter this, the documentary does show Bob Lazar in the employee phone book of Los Alamos National Labs, it does not state a title.

My personal theory is he was probably a low level maintenance guy or something like that, got on at Los Alamos (someone has to change lightbulbs and take out the trash). From there he did got a gig doing the same work out at area 51.
Im guessing he spent 3-5 years doing maintenance work at these places- never personally saw anything but maintained the spaces where high end technology was being worked on. After a few years of never quite understanding what was going on around him he invented this story that he was a part of it, not on the outside looking in.

Any thoughts on my theory?

mrmike08075 wrote:

Bob Lazar has a compelling narrative and if I was to choose to believe his story and his account and his testimonies would become the focus of much of my attention...

The tic tac carrier intercept footage and the documentary work that explores the subject through first person narrative witness testimony is also worthy of attention...

If I were to wax philosophic and to journey through the looking glass or down the rabbit hole these two venues would occupy much of my attention.

In addition to the ongoing multi war century long saga of the Foo Fighters as told by the trained combat pilots and crews from two dozen countries also attracts my attention.

Mike

Just a side note, don't underrate the maintenance types, many don't have the I love me awards hanging on their office walls but are just as intelligent and in their own ways often more intelligent than the science/political/management types. I worked in half a dozen different departments that rarely talked to each other, need to know. And a reasonably observant individual can pick up a lot, osmosis. My security clearance was higher than my Boss and his Boss. Just saying.
The show has a little too much drama for my taste and you have to wonder about a guy that lugs around an old Alice pack instead of a briefcase (or a toolbox). I guess he thinks the Alice pack makes him look cool, to me he looks like a posser.

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Hessian

July 06, 2019 11:04

He Dog wrote:

First and foremost, eye witness testimony is the least reliable evidence, right up there with rumor. Second, no one has ever explained why any lifeforms advanced enough or patient enough to travel a minimum of 30 light years would come here to play hide and go seek and not just say hello. It is quite a leap of faith to go from unexplained to aliens. A leap for me that is well beyond my abilities. Carry on.

Not beyond the realm of possibility. The steam engine was invented a few hundred years ago, flight is a little more than a hundred years old. We've come a long ways in a relatively short period of time. Other sentient beings a few thousand or 50,000 years farther along are bound to have some fantastic technologies. Near speed of light travel isn't that far fetched. Voyager has been flying for 40 years.
My personal theory is the universe was seeded in a shotgun approach a very long time ago and the DNA was coded to evolve, with redundant possibilities also in the code. The only real variables would be time and viability. The math for evolution being the only answer just doesn't add up. And I see no conflict with a God being the creator. We are in the early stages of being able to manipulate DNA (CRISPR) I wonder where that technology will be in a thousand years, 50,000 years?

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pulsarnc

July 06, 2019 12:38

All my life I have resided less than 3 miles from Seymour?s Johnson Air Force base in Goldsboro NC . It has been home to both SAC and TAC wings . Several times I have seen things fly in manners that no airplane I know of could duplicate . Friends , who were in the Air Force , have talked to me about their experiences. As vast as the cosmos is I tend to believe that we are not the only folks around . Makes you wonder sometimes

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He Dog

July 06, 2019 12:42

It is not beyond the realm of possibility, and given the vastness of the known universe I think the probability of their being other life out there approaches unity, but coming here to play games is more than a little unlikely. There is also the distinct possibility that we might not even recognize other life forms as life, if for example they were silicon based and not carbon based.

Gods are require a leap of faith well beyond my ability to make in the face of zero evidence.

The great thing is we can all believe whatever we like on any grounds whatever. No proof required, and no one here is going to change anyone else's mind.

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Smitty500mag

July 06, 2019 12:46

I don't know why there's any question of beings from other worlds coming here. It makes perfect sense to me why some super intelligent people from galaxies millions or even billions of light years from Earth would fly here so they could look up a farmers ass out in Iowa. :roll: :lol:

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KenK/84Bravo

July 06, 2019 13:24

Smitty500mag wrote:

I don't know why there's any question of beings from other worlds coming here. It makes perfect sense to me why some super intelligent people from galaxies millions or even billions of light years from Earth would fly here so they could look up a farmers ass out in Iowa. :roll:

Must be sad to have such a limited view of the Universe.

To think we are the only ones out there, in its vast space, is somewhat ludicrous.

Simply my view.

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Brookwood

July 06, 2019 14:48

I don't know why, but all of my life I have been drawn to the paranormal. Anything from ghost's to spacemen from other worlds.

I have done a lot of reading about near death experiences over the years as well.

I have somewhat concluded in my 63 1\2 years on this earth, that all of the knowledge that has been attained since man has been around, has not even begun to scratch the surface of the universe and all of its mysteries.

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AzAfshin

July 07, 2019 00:39

Eye witness accounts are BS. Give me solid video proof. It's beyond belief how people take grainy video from a state of the art aircraft as proof of UFO's. The same aircrafts that can take video of the surgeon's warning on your pack of cigs can't take a clear video of a large object directly in front of them.

Does alien life exist somewhere in the universe? Most probably. Are they here? Extremely unlikely and anyone claiming they saw UFO's or aliens are most likely showing their ignorance of rational thought to be able to search for the true answer and just jump to the fantastical answers. If you truly believe in aliens, there is a society for you called "Flat Earthers" also.

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mrmike08075

July 07, 2019 01:04

Fermi's paradox and mathematical constructs dictate that life in the universe as we can perceive and understand it (on our own or aided by scientific devices) is profligate and abundant...

The question is are there extant civilizations that exist concurrently with ours - and how far away they are...

Until somebody shows me a way (wormholes - black hole accretion disc - fold space drives) to contradict Einstein and travel faster than light (or comes up with a way to work around it and circumvent it - and deal with time dilation issues) we may be unable to contact our neighbors

And if we do find a radio signal with our dishes and scopes and such it's likely that by the time we hear and decipher and reply to a message the sender and his kind will be extinct...

Or the folks next door have not advanced past the bronze age yet - or they have advanced so far as to be unrecognizable or impercivable...

Or that we are possessed of a common enough frame of reference to be using similar technologies to communicate - or that we possess the same sensory clusters to notice each other...

They may have come and gone already like the Roman Empire - or the dinosaurs...

They may have yet to gain sentience or evolved into a recognizable primitive collective...

They may have heard us but don't want to talk to us...

They may have heard us and the ecom / elint stealthed invasion fleet is in transit...

They could exist at the bottom of oceans or float within gas giants or exist within methane spheres or inside frozen moons with a liquid core...

We can go on for quite awhile but I will take a brake from tilting at windmills - stop beating roccinante after his death - and pass the conch shell to the right.

Mike

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Warbirds

July 07, 2019 09:29

Every time this topic comes up My mind gets stuck thinking about the sheer ?size? the observable universe.

Mind blowing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJayxpt482g

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KenK/84Bravo

July 07, 2019 09:34

Warbirds wrote:

Every time this topic comes up My mind gets stuck thinking about the sheer ?size? the observable universe.

Mind blowing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJayxpt482g

I agree Sir.

It is humbling.

To have the audacity to think that we are the only intelligent life form out there, stretches credulity.

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