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84Bravo1
Around 10* out very windy. (Wind chill -20?) Headed down to around -5* with a wind chill of -35.

Power has been out for a couple hours now. Woodstove has been cranked since I got home around 4pm. After about an hour, when it became obvious that the power was not coming back on shortly, fired up the Kerosene Heater. (Almost lowest setting possible.)

Toasty warm inside, between the two. My pipes WILL freeze if I can not drip some water overnight, so kinda stressing about that.


I do not envy those Power Co. crews.
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  • 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    You don't want to be considered a "braggard" here, or "share a whole lot about yourself", by immediately bragging about what your home is worth, and bragging about how smart you are. Obviously this is not only a first for you, but also something that will never, ever happen again.

    A wise move admitting to that weak spot, though.


    Admitting that my house is only worth $200,000 in my area is far from bragging about. It's actually on the lower end of the scale.... It's just a humble little 2 bedroom starter home... And only has 750 square feet. But it does serve my purposes I'm a 60 year old man that lives by himself, and has no immediate need for anything bigger. In fact if I could downsize I wanted to... But then I would have to rent. Not bragging... Just saying. Bragging would be a 60 year old man living by himself in a 4000 square foot house that's worth a couple million dollars in my area...

    So now what??????




    I believe you were about to say something about how slowly-running streams can't freeze over, or was there nothing to add there but conjecture? Now what? Now comes the part where this thread possibly gets back on track, unless there's more you'd like to add without any context. The last attempt didn't appear to go quite as you'd planned, so now would be a great opportunity to further explain, beyond "hurr durr I'm smarter than everyone".


    And based on your edit, you seem to forget exactly who derailed this thread to begin with.[;)]
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  • remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    You don't want to be considered a "braggard" here, or "share a whole lot about yourself", by immediately bragging about what your home is worth, and bragging about how smart you are. Obviously this is not only a first for you, but also something that will never, ever happen again.

    A wise move admitting to that weak spot, though.


    Admitting that my house is only worth $200,000 in my area is far from bragging about. It's actually on the lower end of the scale.... It's just a humble little 2 bedroom starter home... And only has 750 square feet. But it does serve my purposes I'm a 60 year old man that lives by himself, and has no immediate need for anything bigger. In fact if I could downsize I wanted to... But then I would have to rent. Not bragging... Just saying. Bragging would be a 60 year old man living by himself in a 4000 square foot house that's worth a couple million dollars in my area...

    So now what??????




    I believe you were about to say something about how slowly-running streams can't freeze over, or was there nothing to add there but conjecture? Now what? Now comes the part where this thread possibly gets back on track, unless there's more you'd like to add without any context. The last attempt didn't appear to go quite as you'd planned, so now would be a great opportunity to further explain, beyond "hurr durr I'm smarter than everyone".


    And based on your edit, you seem to forget exactly who derailed this thread to begin with.[;)]


    For the less intelligent people here. If you go back and look at what I said, I did not say slow-moving streams. I said if you let your water run slowly, it won't freeze just like steam.. Again like I said. My weak point is under estimating the lack of intelligence of a small number a people here... And you sir, I really overestimated yours intelligence... I figured you would have at least had the intelligence go back and read what I originally wrote before you posted this... Goes to show you how wrong I was...

    Besides that I didn't derail this thread, I just laid it friendly wager out to Gigi... That's not derailing a thread. You derailed it when you tried to make me look like an idiot... As usual it backfired on you...

    Again, if you want to try to make me look a fool, why don't you start your own thread. At least it won't derail something that is of importance to somebody like Ken

    And as far as my edits go I'm using a smartphone, and it's easier for me to edit what I say than it is to type it in... Smartphones here's about as good as you read, which is not good.

    So now what??? Are you through beating yourself up?
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  • 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    You don't want to be considered a "braggard" here, or "share a whole lot about yourself", by immediately bragging about what your home is worth, and bragging about how smart you are. Obviously this is not only a first for you, but also something that will never, ever happen again.

    A wise move admitting to that weak spot, though.


    Admitting that my house is only worth $200,000 in my area is far from bragging about. It's actually on the lower end of the scale.... It's just a humble little 2 bedroom starter home... And only has 750 square feet. But it does serve my purposes I'm a 60 year old man that lives by himself, and has no immediate need for anything bigger. In fact if I could downsize I wanted to... But then I would have to rent. Not bragging... Just saying. Bragging would be a 60 year old man living by himself in a 4000 square foot house that's worth a couple million dollars in my area...

    So now what??????




    I believe you were about to say something about how slowly-running streams can't freeze over, or was there nothing to add there but conjecture? Now what? Now comes the part where this thread possibly gets back on track, unless there's more you'd like to add without any context. The last attempt didn't appear to go quite as you'd planned, so now would be a great opportunity to further explain, beyond "hurr durr I'm smarter than everyone".


    And based on your edit, you seem to forget exactly who derailed this thread to begin with.[;)]


    For the less intelligent people here. If you go back and look at what I said, I did not say slow-moving streams. I said if you let your water run slowly, it won't freeze just like steam.. Again like I said. My weak point is under estimating the lack of intelligence of a small number a people here... And you sir, I really overestimated yours intelligence... I figured you would have at least had the intelligence go back and read what I originally wrote before you posted this... Goes to show you how wrong I was...

    Besides that I didn't derail this thread, I just laid it friendly wager out to Gigi... That's not derailing a thread. You derailed it when you tried to make me look like an idiot... As usual it backfired on you...

    Again, if you want to try to make me look a fool, why don't you start your own thread. At least it won't derail something that is of importance to somebody like Ken





    I don't have to try to make you look like an idiot. You do a great job on your own, and based on your ramblings so far in this thread, and your constant need to get in the last word, you're a trained professional. For supposedly being so smart, you obviously mistake me for someone that actually values your opinion, but you don't make mistakes, do you?
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  • remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    You don't want to be considered a "braggard" here, or "share a whole lot about yourself", by immediately bragging about what your home is worth, and bragging about how smart you are. Obviously this is not only a first for you, but also something that will never, ever happen again.

    A wise move admitting to that weak spot, though.


    Admitting that my house is only worth $200,000 in my area is far from bragging about. It's actually on the lower end of the scale.... It's just a humble little 2 bedroom starter home... And only has 750 square feet. But it does serve my purposes I'm a 60 year old man that lives by himself, and has no immediate need for anything bigger. In fact if I could downsize I wanted to... But then I would have to rent. Not bragging... Just saying. Bragging would be a 60 year old man living by himself in a 4000 square foot house that's worth a couple million dollars in my area...

    So now what??????




    I believe you were about to say something about how slowly-running streams can't freeze over, or was there nothing to add there but conjecture? Now what? Now comes the part where this thread possibly gets back on track, unless there's more you'd like to add without any context. The last attempt didn't appear to go quite as you'd planned, so now would be a great opportunity to further explain, beyond "hurr durr I'm smarter than everyone".


    And based on your edit, you seem to forget exactly who derailed this thread to begin with.[;)]


    For the less intelligent people here. If you go back and look at what I said, I did not say slow-moving streams. I said if you let your water run slowly, it won't freeze just like steam.. Again like I said. My weak point is under estimating the lack of intelligence of a small number a people here... And you sir, I really overestimated yours intelligence... I figured you would have at least had the intelligence go back and read what I originally wrote before you posted this... Goes to show you how wrong I was...

    Besides that I didn't derail this thread, I just laid it friendly wager out to Gigi... That's not derailing a thread. You derailed it when you tried to make me look like an idiot... As usual it backfired on you...

    Again, if you want to try to make me look a fool, why don't you start your own thread. At least it won't derail something that is of importance to somebody like Ken





    I don't have to try to make you look like an idiot. You do a great job on your own, and based on your ramblings so far in this thread, and your constant need to get in the last word, you're a trained professional. For supposedly being so smart, you obviously mistake me for someone that actually values your opinion, but you don't make mistakes, do you?


    I really don't care about your opinion... I've just been stating facts. You're the one that has prolonged this conversation with just opinions, not me. All I've done is answered your inquiries with facts. And by no means have I've tried to get the last word in. I've Just answered your inquiries, if you don't want an answer, don't ask them, it's as simple as that...

    And yes I do make mistakes, I know better then the match wits with somebody that has none... What a mistake I made thinking you do. But again, I have a tendency to overestimate the intelligence of some people. Please accept my apology for sparring wits with the handicapped. That's not very nice of me, but I figured you had more intelligence than what you do. Please accept my apology for thinking so. But then, like I said that is one of my weak points, over estimating the intelligence of some people
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  • stalion10
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    You don't want to be considered a "braggard" here, or "share a whole lot about yourself", by immediately bragging about what your home is worth, and bragging about how smart you are. Obviously this is not only a first for you, but also something that will never, ever happen again.

    A wise move admitting to that weak spot, though.


    Admitting that my house is only worth $200,000 in my area is far from bragging about. It's actually on the lower end of the scale.... It's just a humble little 2 bedroom starter home... And only has 750 square feet. But it does serve my purposes I'm a 60 year old man that lives by himself, and has no immediate need for anything bigger. In fact if I could downsize I wanted to... But then I would have to rent. Not bragging... Just saying. Bragging would be a 60 year old man living by himself in a 4000 square foot house that's worth a couple million dollars in my area...

    So now what??????




    I believe you were about to say something about how slowly-running streams can't freeze over, or was there nothing to add there but conjecture? Now what? Now comes the part where this thread possibly gets back on track, unless there's more you'd like to add without any context. The last attempt didn't appear to go quite as you'd planned, so now would be a great opportunity to further explain, beyond "hurr durr I'm smarter than everyone".


    And based on your edit, you seem to forget exactly who derailed this thread to begin with.[;)]


    For the less intelligent people here. If you go back and look at what I said, I did not say slow-moving streams. I said if you let your water run slowly, it won't freeze just like steam.. Again like I said. My weak point is under estimating the lack of intelligence of a small number a people here... And you sir, I really overestimated yours intelligence... I figured you would have at least had the intelligence go back and read what I originally wrote before you posted this... Goes to show you how wrong I was...

    Besides that I didn't derail this thread, I just laid it friendly wager out to Gigi... That's not derailing a thread. You derailed it when you tried to make me look like an idiot... As usual it backfired on you...

    Again, if you want to try to make me look a fool, why don't you start your own thread. At least it won't derail something that is of importance to somebody like Ken





    I don't have to try to make you look like an idiot. You do a great job on your own, and based on your ramblings so far in this thread, and your constant need to get in the last word, you're a trained professional. For supposedly being so smart, you obviously mistake me for someone that actually values your opinion, but you don't make mistakes, do you?


    I really don't care about your opinion... I've just been stating facts. You're the one that has prolonged this conversation with just opinions, not me. All I've done is answered your inquiries with facts. And by no means have I've tried to get the last word in. I've Just answered your inquiries, if you don't want an answer, don't ask them, it's as simple as that...

    And yes I do make mistakes, I know better then the match wits with somebody that has none... What a mistake I made thinking you do. But again, I have a tendency to overestimate the intelligence of some people. Please accept my apology for sparring wits with the handicapped. That's not very nice of me, but I figured you had more intelligence than what you do. Please accept my apology for thinking so. But then, like I said that is one of my weak points, over estimating the intelligence of some people


    remingtonoaks, I've been a member here for years and I understand your frustration with people the demonstrates that they're less than intelligent. And I very seldom post because I don't want to want to deal with people that are idiots. So I understand where you're coming from. But come on man, you demonstrated that he is lacking in intelligence, why don't you just lay off of him. It's not nice to beat up people that are not intelligent.
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  • remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by stalion10
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    You don't want to be considered a "braggard" here, or "share a whole lot about yourself", by immediately bragging about what your home is worth, and bragging about how smart you are. Obviously this is not only a first for you, but also something that will never, ever happen again.

    A wise move admitting to that weak spot, though.


    Admitting that my house is only worth $200,000 in my area is far from bragging about. It's actually on the lower end of the scale.... It's just a humble little 2 bedroom starter home... And only has 750 square feet. But it does serve my purposes I'm a 60 year old man that lives by himself, and has no immediate need for anything bigger. In fact if I could downsize I wanted to... But then I would have to rent. Not bragging... Just saying. Bragging would be a 60 year old man living by himself in a 4000 square foot house that's worth a couple million dollars in my area...

    So now what??????




    I believe you were about to say something about how slowly-running streams can't freeze over, or was there nothing to add there but conjecture? Now what? Now comes the part where this thread possibly gets back on track, unless there's more you'd like to add without any context. The last attempt didn't appear to go quite as you'd planned, so now would be a great opportunity to further explain, beyond "hurr durr I'm smarter than everyone".


    And based on your edit, you seem to forget exactly who derailed this thread to begin with.[;)]


    For the less intelligent people here. If you go back and look at what I said, I did not say slow-moving streams. I said if you let your water run slowly, it won't freeze just like steam.. Again like I said. My weak point is under estimating the lack of intelligence of a small number a people here... And you sir, I really overestimated yours intelligence... I figured you would have at least had the intelligence go back and read what I originally wrote before you posted this... Goes to show you how wrong I was...

    Besides that I didn't derail this thread, I just laid it friendly wager out to Gigi... That's not derailing a thread. You derailed it when you tried to make me look like an idiot... As usual it backfired on you...

    Again, if you want to try to make me look a fool, why don't you start your own thread. At least it won't derail something that is of importance to somebody like Ken





    I don't have to try to make you look like an idiot. You do a great job on your own, and based on your ramblings so far in this thread, and your constant need to get in the last word, you're a trained professional. For supposedly being so smart, you obviously mistake me for someone that actually values your opinion, but you don't make mistakes, do you?


    I really don't care about your opinion... I've just been stating facts. You're the one that has prolonged this conversation with just opinions, not me. All I've done is answered your inquiries with facts. And by no means have I've tried to get the last word in. I've Just answered your inquiries, if you don't want an answer, don't ask them, it's as simple as that...

    And yes I do make mistakes, I know better then the match wits with somebody that has none... What a mistake I made thinking you do. But again, I have a tendency to overestimate the intelligence of some people. Please accept my apology for sparring wits with the handicapped. That's not very nice of me, but I figured you had more intelligence than what you do. Please accept my apology for thinking so. But then, like I said that is one of my weak points, over estimating the intelligence of some people


    remingtonoaks, I've been a member here for years and I understand your frustration with people the demonstrates that they're less than intelligent. And I very seldom post because I don't want to want to deal with people that are idiots. So I understand where you're coming from. But come on man, you demonstrated that he is lacking in intelligence, why don't you just lay off of him. It's not nice to beat up people that are not intelligent.


    You're absolutely right stalion... And I tried to end this, yet he keeps on coming after me with both barrels blazing...I've even point it out to him to go back and read my original post proving him wrong. But it keeps on coming after me.... Do you expect me to not defend myself?
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  • stalion10
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by stalion10
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 35 Whelen
    You don't want to be considered a "braggard" here, or "share a whole lot about yourself", by immediately bragging about what your home is worth, and bragging about how smart you are. Obviously this is not only a first for you, but also something that will never, ever happen again.

    A wise move admitting to that weak spot, though.


    Admitting that my house is only worth $200,000 in my area is far from bragging about. It's actually on the lower end of the scale.... It's just a humble little 2 bedroom starter home... And only has 750 square feet. But it does serve my purposes I'm a 60 year old man that lives by himself, and has no immediate need for anything bigger. In fact if I could downsize I wanted to... But then I would have to rent. Not bragging... Just saying. Bragging would be a 60 year old man living by himself in a 4000 square foot house that's worth a couple million dollars in my area...

    So now what??????




    I believe you were about to say something about how slowly-running streams can't freeze over, or was there nothing to add there but conjecture? Now what? Now comes the part where this thread possibly gets back on track, unless there's more you'd like to add without any context. The last attempt didn't appear to go quite as you'd planned, so now would be a great opportunity to further explain, beyond "hurr durr I'm smarter than everyone".


    And based on your edit, you seem to forget exactly who derailed this thread to begin with.[;)]


    For the less intelligent people here. If you go back and look at what I said, I did not say slow-moving streams. I said if you let your water run slowly, it won't freeze just like steam.. Again like I said. My weak point is under estimating the lack of intelligence of a small number a people here... And you sir, I really overestimated yours intelligence... I figured you would have at least had the intelligence go back and read what I originally wrote before you posted this... Goes to show you how wrong I was...

    Besides that I didn't derail this thread, I just laid it friendly wager out to Gigi... That's not derailing a thread. You derailed it when you tried to make me look like an idiot... As usual it backfired on you...

    Again, if you want to try to make me look a fool, why don't you start your own thread. At least it won't derail something that is of importance to somebody like Ken





    I don't have to try to make you look like an idiot. You do a great job on your own, and based on your ramblings so far in this thread, and your constant need to get in the last word, you're a trained professional. For supposedly being so smart, you obviously mistake me for someone that actually values your opinion, but you don't make mistakes, do you?


    I really don't care about your opinion... I've just been stating facts. You're the one that has prolonged this conversation with just opinions, not me. All I've done is answered your inquiries with facts. And by no means have I've tried to get the last word in. I've Just answered your inquiries, if you don't want an answer, don't ask them, it's as simple as that...

    And yes I do make mistakes, I know better then the match wits with somebody that has none... What a mistake I made thinking you do. But again, I have a tendency to overestimate the intelligence of some people. Please accept my apology for sparring wits with the handicapped. That's not very nice of me, but I figured you had more intelligence than what you do. Please accept my apology for thinking so. But then, like I said that is one of my weak points, over estimating the intelligence of some people


    remingtonoaks, I've been a member here for years and I understand your frustration with people the demonstrates that they're less than intelligent. And I very seldom post because I don't want to want to deal with people that are idiots. So I understand where you're coming from. But come on man, you demonstrated that he is lacking in intelligence, why don't you just lay off of him. It's not nice to beat up people that are not intelligent.


    You're absolutely right stalion... And I tried to end this, yet he keeps on coming after me with both barrels blazing...I've even point it out to him to go back and read my original post proving him wrong. But it keeps on coming after me.... Do you expect me to not defend myself?


    He's nothing but a bully remingtonoaks. And as with most bullies, they just don't know when to stop, no matter how much you beat them up. Just treat him like a nat. He'll eventually go away, His level intelligence will make him think he has won. And will back off, isn't that what you want? We all know the truth though.
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  • jimdeere
    I?m with you fellas!
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  • bpost
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    1/2" PVC pipes under the house where I can not access them to insulate. (Not enough room to reach them via the crawl space, that goes down to around 6" where the pipes are located.

    They must have framed in the floor, then stepped through the framing to run the plumbing. Most idiotic thing I have ever seen.

    If my PVC pipes freeze and crack, I am royally screwed.


    Yes, I know to run a somewhat fine stream, not a drip.


    I bet there is a way to snake PEX down there pulling it through with a line. PEX can be frozen rock solid with no harm done. It might not save the day today but in the future it could be a way to prevent busted pipes.

    GOOD LUCK! I know this cold is hard on homes not designed for arctic conditions. Is there a way to get a small ceramic heater or hair dryer into the space? Even a degree or two can make all the difference.
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  • NeoBlackdog
    Ahem... Anyway, back to cold weather and potentially freezing pipes... Ken, having done it before I know it'd be a sucky job but if I was in your shoes I'd get under that house at some point and dig out the crawlspace so you can access those pipes. Rig up a sled of some type that you can pile the dirt on and drag it via rope to your crawl hole.
    I'd also recommend getting rid of the PVC plumbing if at all possible. Replace it with PEX and you'll be better off. PVC is just about the worst option for supply lines, IMO. It's too dang fragile and won't survive a freeze whereas PEX will.
    Can you get a heater under the house to warm the crawl space?
    Good luck! Hope all you folks make it through this cold snap OK.
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  • 84Bravo1
    Power came back on around midnight. Got up to turn off the Kerosene heater, reset the clocks, turn on the several small heaters I am juggling in different areas, reload the woodstove and set the water to running. All good.

    Yes, I have been planning on addressing the PVC pipe situation and replace with PEX lines. Plan on tackling it this coming year.
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  • Sam06
    Glad you got your power back.
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  • 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by Cling2myguns
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by Cling2myguns
    Hope all turns out ok. I know it is not usual to get those cold temps down there. I feel for you sir.
    It is -20 here right now, insane cold. But I am prepared for it.



    Actually here in the mountains of extreme NE tip of TN, W. NC., it is not that unusual. Boone, NC has multiple Ski resorts. Stone throw from where I live.


    So how much higher elevation are you than Johnson City?



    My house is close to 4,000 feet elevation. (Mtn. City, TN.) Johnson City is further West, (about an hour or so,) out of the larger mountains, and cosiderably lower in elevation. (Guessing maybe 1000' elevation.)
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  • Cling2myguns
    Glad your power is back on. I figured you were considerably high elevation. But I have seen it was pretty cold all over that area. We are finally seeing the end of this cold blast, -20 with -40's wind chill is brutal.
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  • notnow
    What NeoBD told ya'. I had to dig my way into plumbing on a mobile home I owned. If you do it, plan on wearing a dust mask. My kids were young then. They helped drag out the dirt. I just left the old 1/2" galv pipe stay and ran the new pvc along side it.
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