Narcan
Should the police be carrying it and should they be able to administer it.
Me I say no. They are not trained in medical.
Me I say no. They are not trained in medical.
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I agree.....they have enough to do...if you are willing to inject the garbage into your body...then you are on your own....then again, I'm a jaded individual[:)] 0 -
The narcan allows druggies to take more chances and causes more OD'S 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ltcdoty
I agree.....they have enough to do...if you are willing to inject the garbage into your body...then you are on your own....then again, I'm a jaded individual[:)]
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I have heard several incident where the cops have to give it to themselves because they are in contact with drug patches that go through the skin.
As far as giving it to dopers who are od'ing I say the hell with it, build a fire and dance around while they check out.0 -
just to protect them self or kids possibly pets , local news has many reports of LEO's OD over handing evidence or contact during arrest
or kids who ("parent's ) allow them to come into contact with drugs
local news had a veterinary ER reporting cases of dogs and cats needing it to survive where the owners leave drugs laying around [:(!][:(!][:(!]0 -
^^^ This! Just making an arrest and absorbing fentanyl through their skin can cause an almost instant overdose. 0 -
I had to buy some because i take strong medicine.
The government is pushing that everyone that goes to pain clinics have narcan.0 -
If your son or daughter was OD'ing would you want the police to cuff them or administer NARCAN. The way to choose an action is ask what if it is your child...
I make no judgements either way.0 -
OK what if they are not OD'ing. 0 -
No.
I live at ground zero for the heroin epidemic.
The only way it is going to end is for junkies to not believe there is a safety net to save them.0 -
You want an untrained person to cause this.
quote:Severe side effects of Narcan include:
agitation,
high or low blood pressure,
cardiac arrhythmias,
shortness of breath,
pulmonary edema,
abnormal brain function (encephalopathy),
seizures,
coma, and
death.0 -
NO.....I've been pushing back against this trend in our area. We are not EMT or Medics...if they want us to be Medics then pay us for that. I will resist it as long as I have influence. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by themountainman
The narcan allows druggies to take more chances and causes more OD'S
Yep, many don't even go to the hospital or walk out AMA. I know of one young lady that OD'd and received Narcan seven time sin six weeks. Won't be long and they won't get to her in time. Darwin helps with crime prevention regularly. Narcan has become a parachute. Dopers figure they'll be saved so it just increases their risk taking.0 -
DAMN good way to say it...SW...i approve of this message 0 -
Strange world we live in.We have something to save people that do drugs and put their lives in danger themselves.As far as I know we don't have anything a law enforcement officer can give someone with a heart attack or stroke that for the most part the person did not knowingly put themselves in a life threatening situation.I think life is precious and if a police officer can save another human life it should be done. 0 -
Are we my brother's keeper? I know they're the job security for cops and prisons but if they were to be gone some of could leave home and come back home as they left it. We're over populated as is. 0 -
I'm in favor of police carrying Narcan.....as long as those EMS personnel who want to carry a firearm are permitted to do so, in case they need to administer it.
I have had several OD patients attempt to assault me after administering Narcan; they wake up to find that I just buzz-killed their $50 high, & they are mad. Eventually, I figured out it was best to put possible OD patients in restraints before giving the Narcan.
What if a cop gives Narcan, but it has no effect because the patient is having a diabetic emergency? He is neither trained to diagnose that condition nor to treat it. What should be do then?
I guess the best answer is: you should stick to what you know, & leave anything else up the folks who are trained to deal with it.
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Everyone who takes opioids is not a druggie. I take 90mg of morphine a day and 60mg of oxycodone a day. Sometimes more.
I do not get high or a buzz but it knocks my pain from a 7 to a 3 or 4. Since stage 4 cancer in 2010 6 surgeries for cancer along with chemo/radiation left me in pain for the rest of my life.
Big brother made me buy Narcan for the house. I will never need Narcan because i take my medicine exactly like i am supposed to.
However some people make mistakes. Some are druggies. I just had a high school friend od 2 or 3 weeks ago. He died and his daughter is pregnant with his first grandchild.
To hear her cry because her Dad overdosed if shooting a spray in someones nose will save them you should.
Of course thats my opinion and i am wrong more than i am right just ask my wife. LOL0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
OK what if they are not OD'ing.
The pharmacological basis for the actions of Narcan means that it has no effects on persons not taking opioids.
It is a common diagnostic tool for the differential diagnosis of unexplained unconsciousness.
It has such a wide range of safety that the FDA has approved it's use by the public, and many states have approved it's sale without prescription.
Explain.
quote:Severe side effects of Narcan include:
agitation,
high or low blood pressure,
cardiac arrhythmias,
shortness of breath,
pulmonary edema,
abnormal brain function (encephalopathy),
seizures,
coma, and
death.0 -
A few months ago there was a woman who OD'd while driving in her car.
She drove into a park and only avoided slamming into a playground full of children because she hit a telephone pole.
That wasnt her first OD. She had been revived by Narcan before. When people tell me to think about my son or daughter, that's exactly what I'm doing.
I have nothing but distain for junkies, and anything we can do to uninhibit the journey to their great reward is good public policy in my opinion.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
Should the police be carrying it and should they be able to administer it.
Me I say no. They are not trained in medical.
Why not ?
Would you expect them to decline to initiate CPR when someone was found to be in need of that, as well ?
If I had to give CPR to save this mans life, He'd be a goner for sure.
https://theheadnotthetail.wordpress.com/2012/03/16/dont-end-up-like-chris-farley-did/
I've probably saved many a life by not being in a line of work requiring life and death CPR decisions.0 -
Narcans free to the junkies but an eppe pin costs the one who needs it $100.
Something wrong here.0 -
Narcan was 127.00 dollars for me. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dav1965
Narcan was 127.00 dollars for me.
But you are not a Junkie if you were it would be free.0 -
that attitude makes the police and EMS into PERFECT enablers....
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I'll bet most we Narcan'ed were dead in weeks from the same thing.
They revive PISSED OFF because we or the medics ruined their high.
We saved one girl on Friday- she was DOA by Tuesday.
24/72 shift -caught both calls.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mjrfd99
I'll bet most we Narcan'ed were dead in weeks from the same thing.
They revive PISSED OFF because we or the medics ruined their high.
We saved one girl on Friday- she was DOA by Tuesday.
24/72 shift -caught both calls.
Darwin sneaking in some more crime prevention. We've seen the list of local known dirt bags go the way of heroin/fentanyl cocktail. It is rather quite predictable actually. I can actually think of quite a few that we dealt with over the years for weed and pills that are now in the ground for opiods. One lost her toddler to methadone poisoning, then a year or so later was found dead with a needle in her arm.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Chief Shaway
Narcans free to the junkies but an eppe pin costs the one who needs it $100.
Something wrong here.
Yep.0 -
Make your bed and lie in it... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
You want an untrained person to cause this.
quote:Severe side effects of Narcan include:
agitation,
high or low blood pressure,
cardiac arrhythmias,
shortness of breath,
pulmonary edema,
abnormal brain function (encephalopathy),
seizures,
coma, and
death.
If it's needed and not given the side effects are greatly limited, mostly death or anoxic brain injury.0 -
The narcan the police carry is administered nasally. It is effective in a most cases. If the issue isn't opiod it isn't going to worsen the person's condition.
Should the police be carrying it? There are different circumstances with a lot of variables. Isolated rural officers, city officers with medics available are different situations. Police are often the first to respond.
What about grandma who forgot she took her meds and took them again, she just overdosed, want here saved? Then there are the junkies mentioned. But an officer can't say who to save and who not. So if they carry it they have to give it to grandma and the junky.
I deal with junkies regular, I do my job. Most make it, some don't.0
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