I'm shocked - Washington Post - Trump won
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Opinions | Trump won the night. Schumer and Pelosi lost.
Marc Thiessen 14 hrs ago
President Trump did something Tuesday night that he has rarely done since taking office: He used the presidential bully pulpit to reach beyond his hardcore base of supporters to make his case to the American people as a whole.
Speaking from the Oval Office for the first time during his presidency, Trump embraced our country?s tradition as a nation of immigrants, declaring ?America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation.? He then offered a cogent explanation why he believes we face what he called ?a humanitarian crisis ? a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul? along our southern border.
He pointed out the human cost of our broken system to illegal migrants themselves, expressing compassion for the ?children [who] are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs? and the ?women [who] are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.? He shared heartbreaking stories of Americans killed by criminal aliens who had no right to be here ? including a police officer in California who was murdered, a 16-year-old girl who was brutally stabbed in Maryland, and an Air Force veteran who was raped and beaten to death.
?I?ve held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief-stricken fathers,? Trump declared. ?I will never forget the pain in their eyes, the tremble in their voices, or the sadness gripping their souls.?
And he laid out his solution, which he explained was ?developed by law enforcement professionals and border agents? and includes funds for cutting-edge technology, more border agents, more immigration judges, more bed space and medical support ? and $5.7 billion for a ?physical barrier? that he called ?just common sense.? Without naming her, Trump responded to the absurd charge from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that a wall is ?immoral.? Democrats voted repeatedly for physical barriers until he was elected president, he noted. If a wall is immoral, Trump asked, ?why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don?t build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.?
The president did not unilaterally declare a national emergency. Instead, he called for compromise and said, ?To those who refuse to compromise in the name of border security, I would ask: imagine if it was your child, your husband, or your wife, whose life was so cruelly shattered and totally broken??
He was, in short, presidential.
Democrats insisted on equal time, which is highly unusual for presidential addresses other than the State of the Union. It was a mistake. In contrast to Trump, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) came across as small and intransigent.
While Trump spoke calmly and rationally from behind the Resolute Desk, the Democratic leaders accused him of ?pounding the table? and having a ?temper tantrum.? While Trump told human stories, they complained about process. They accused him of arguing that the women and children at the border were ?a security threat? when he had just explained to the American people that they were victims, too. They charged him with using the ?backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.? They were partisan and petty, while Trump came across as reasonable and even compassionate.
To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.
And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear ? compromise. But Trump did. That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.
Until now, Trump has owned the 18-day government shutdown that prompted this address, because he?s the one who started it. But if Democrats continue to attack him, and won?t entertain any compromise, soon the shutdown will be all theirs ? because they?re the ones who have refused to end it.
Opinions | Trump won the night. Schumer and Pelosi lost.
Marc Thiessen 14 hrs ago
President Trump did something Tuesday night that he has rarely done since taking office: He used the presidential bully pulpit to reach beyond his hardcore base of supporters to make his case to the American people as a whole.
Speaking from the Oval Office for the first time during his presidency, Trump embraced our country?s tradition as a nation of immigrants, declaring ?America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation.? He then offered a cogent explanation why he believes we face what he called ?a humanitarian crisis ? a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul? along our southern border.
He pointed out the human cost of our broken system to illegal migrants themselves, expressing compassion for the ?children [who] are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs? and the ?women [who] are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.? He shared heartbreaking stories of Americans killed by criminal aliens who had no right to be here ? including a police officer in California who was murdered, a 16-year-old girl who was brutally stabbed in Maryland, and an Air Force veteran who was raped and beaten to death.
?I?ve held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief-stricken fathers,? Trump declared. ?I will never forget the pain in their eyes, the tremble in their voices, or the sadness gripping their souls.?
And he laid out his solution, which he explained was ?developed by law enforcement professionals and border agents? and includes funds for cutting-edge technology, more border agents, more immigration judges, more bed space and medical support ? and $5.7 billion for a ?physical barrier? that he called ?just common sense.? Without naming her, Trump responded to the absurd charge from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that a wall is ?immoral.? Democrats voted repeatedly for physical barriers until he was elected president, he noted. If a wall is immoral, Trump asked, ?why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don?t build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.?
The president did not unilaterally declare a national emergency. Instead, he called for compromise and said, ?To those who refuse to compromise in the name of border security, I would ask: imagine if it was your child, your husband, or your wife, whose life was so cruelly shattered and totally broken??
He was, in short, presidential.
Democrats insisted on equal time, which is highly unusual for presidential addresses other than the State of the Union. It was a mistake. In contrast to Trump, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) came across as small and intransigent.
While Trump spoke calmly and rationally from behind the Resolute Desk, the Democratic leaders accused him of ?pounding the table? and having a ?temper tantrum.? While Trump told human stories, they complained about process. They accused him of arguing that the women and children at the border were ?a security threat? when he had just explained to the American people that they were victims, too. They charged him with using the ?backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.? They were partisan and petty, while Trump came across as reasonable and even compassionate.
To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.
And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear ? compromise. But Trump did. That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.
Until now, Trump has owned the 18-day government shutdown that prompted this address, because he?s the one who started it. But if Democrats continue to attack him, and won?t entertain any compromise, soon the shutdown will be all theirs ? because they?re the ones who have refused to end it.
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I took down my immoral walls and doors and when I came home a dozen Mexicans were sitting in my living room eating my food and drinking my immoral beer. [:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
So what are you suggesting? He commit strong arm robbery to make them pay for it?[xx(][xx(]
by the way, any intelligent person would know that through the new trade deals he is making them pay for it.
Actually I shouldn't say any intelligent person. I should say anybody that is not blinded by their hatred... Of course that's part of being intelligent.0 -
Could it be that Mr. Perfect and Barzillia are one in the same?
Ask them a simple straight forward question and they lock up![:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
Could it be that Mr. Perfect and Barzillia are one in the same?
Ask them a simple straight forward question and they lock up![:D]
Don't worry, he's just trying to find a picture to answer with... Good luck with that0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Thank you.
When you mention factoring in the other savings are you taking into account the monies saved, say, on providing nothing more than life time cradle to death benefits to the illegals and all of their descendants that cross the border for now and in the future? Trump only mentioned the drug and crime bit, and not cradle to ddeath life benefits due to protecting the republican party from getting slammed in future elections.
If, as we are told, the vast majority of illegals are here after over-staying a visa of some sort, I would not necessarily include the reduction of benefit payout as a source of savings from the building of a wall. While there would be some savings, I would think, a wall will not prevent the majority of these collections, and citing them would offer an easy avenue of attack for those that are sceptical.
Those that enter legally have been vetted. Those that enter illegally have not be vetted. The monies saved by the construction of a wall would be directly related to impact these non-vetted, worst of the worst miscreant entrants have on Federal and State budgets.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Thank you.
When you mention factoring in the other savings are you taking into account the monies saved, say, on providing nothing more than life time cradle to death benefits to the illegals and all of their descendants that cross the border for now and in the future? Trump only mentioned the drug and crime bit, and not cradle to ddeath life benefits due to protecting the republican party from getting slammed in future elections.
If, as we are told, the vast majority of illegals are here after over-staying a visa of some sort, I would not necessarily include the reduction of benefit payout as a source of savings from the building of a wall. While there would be some savings, I would think, a wall will not prevent the majority of these collections, and citing them would offer an easy avenue of attack for those that are sceptical.
Those that enter legally have been vetted. Those that enter illegally have not be vetted. The monies saved by the construction of a wall would be directly related to impact these non-vetted, worst of the worst miscreant entrants have on Federal and State budgets.
I have seen no data that shows much over 50% of the illegals gained entry via visa and overstayed.
Data I've seen says the percentages are between 30% to 53% depending on who you read.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
Ok Naysayers, so whats the answer?
Do you want a Fence or no? How should it be funded?
Border security is a huge issue this country faces currently. ICE says, and logic and history concur, that a border wall of some salience would help. Great. Building it poses endless eminent domain issues. If I thought for one second Trump had landowner's interest in mind I would probably support him. Were that the only issue, I would probably support him. It's not. Many Americans own land that crosses the border. Have you heard how that's going to be addressed? How about animals that migrate freely currently. What is the plan to address livestock and game animal habitat? And that doesn't even begin to touch the state's rights issues created by constructing a FEDERAL wall on State land.
So, whats your answer to the problem?
Again, what's your answer to the problem?
Sorry I missed your question the first time. My solution certainly wouldn't involve taking land via federal land grab, and certainly not without just compensation. Nor would involve the histrionics surrounding the "Mexico is going to pay for it".0 -
quote:Originally posted by remingtonoaks
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
So what are you suggesting? He commit strong arm robbery to make them pay for it?[xx(][xx(]
by the way, any intelligent person would know that through the new trade deals he is making them pay for it.
Actually I shouldn't say any intelligent person. I should say anybody that is not blinded by their hatred... Of course that's part of being intelligent.
Hatred? You should pay attention.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
Could it be that Mr. Perfect and Barzillia are one in the same?
Ask them a simple straight forward question and they lock up![:D]
Ouch.[B)]0 -
Every state and federal highway, power transmission line, and natural gas pipeline that serves this country likely involved the use of Eminent Domain to obtain a right of way.
While I am not in favor of using ED for taking someone's land to build a shopping center as in the Kelo Decision, there are true public interest cases where it is necessary. I think a border fence is one of them. Using it to build a federal fence on 'state' land is functionally no different than using ED to build a federal highway on 'state' land.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
Every state and federal highway, power transmission line, and natural gas pipeline that serves this country likely involved the use of Eminent Domain to obtain a right of way.
While I am not in favor of using ED for taking someone's land to build a shopping center as in the Kelo Decision, there are true public interest cases where it is necessary. I think a border fence is one of them. Using it to build a federal fence on 'state' land is functionally no different than using ED to build a federal highway on 'state' land.
Ah the ol' that's the way it's always been done so it must be ok, argument. With due respect, the issue isn't even about that it's about just compensation, something that is entirely out of the picture given Kelo.0
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