I'm shocked - Washington Post - Trump won
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Opinions | Trump won the night. Schumer and Pelosi lost.
Marc Thiessen 14 hrs ago
President Trump did something Tuesday night that he has rarely done since taking office: He used the presidential bully pulpit to reach beyond his hardcore base of supporters to make his case to the American people as a whole.
Speaking from the Oval Office for the first time during his presidency, Trump embraced our country?s tradition as a nation of immigrants, declaring ?America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation.? He then offered a cogent explanation why he believes we face what he called ?a humanitarian crisis ? a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul? along our southern border.
He pointed out the human cost of our broken system to illegal migrants themselves, expressing compassion for the ?children [who] are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs? and the ?women [who] are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.? He shared heartbreaking stories of Americans killed by criminal aliens who had no right to be here ? including a police officer in California who was murdered, a 16-year-old girl who was brutally stabbed in Maryland, and an Air Force veteran who was raped and beaten to death.
?I?ve held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief-stricken fathers,? Trump declared. ?I will never forget the pain in their eyes, the tremble in their voices, or the sadness gripping their souls.?
And he laid out his solution, which he explained was ?developed by law enforcement professionals and border agents? and includes funds for cutting-edge technology, more border agents, more immigration judges, more bed space and medical support ? and $5.7 billion for a ?physical barrier? that he called ?just common sense.? Without naming her, Trump responded to the absurd charge from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that a wall is ?immoral.? Democrats voted repeatedly for physical barriers until he was elected president, he noted. If a wall is immoral, Trump asked, ?why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don?t build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.?
The president did not unilaterally declare a national emergency. Instead, he called for compromise and said, ?To those who refuse to compromise in the name of border security, I would ask: imagine if it was your child, your husband, or your wife, whose life was so cruelly shattered and totally broken??
He was, in short, presidential.
Democrats insisted on equal time, which is highly unusual for presidential addresses other than the State of the Union. It was a mistake. In contrast to Trump, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) came across as small and intransigent.
While Trump spoke calmly and rationally from behind the Resolute Desk, the Democratic leaders accused him of ?pounding the table? and having a ?temper tantrum.? While Trump told human stories, they complained about process. They accused him of arguing that the women and children at the border were ?a security threat? when he had just explained to the American people that they were victims, too. They charged him with using the ?backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.? They were partisan and petty, while Trump came across as reasonable and even compassionate.
To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.
And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear ? compromise. But Trump did. That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.
Until now, Trump has owned the 18-day government shutdown that prompted this address, because he?s the one who started it. But if Democrats continue to attack him, and won?t entertain any compromise, soon the shutdown will be all theirs ? because they?re the ones who have refused to end it.
Opinions | Trump won the night. Schumer and Pelosi lost.
Marc Thiessen 14 hrs ago
President Trump did something Tuesday night that he has rarely done since taking office: He used the presidential bully pulpit to reach beyond his hardcore base of supporters to make his case to the American people as a whole.
Speaking from the Oval Office for the first time during his presidency, Trump embraced our country?s tradition as a nation of immigrants, declaring ?America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation.? He then offered a cogent explanation why he believes we face what he called ?a humanitarian crisis ? a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul? along our southern border.
He pointed out the human cost of our broken system to illegal migrants themselves, expressing compassion for the ?children [who] are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs? and the ?women [who] are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.? He shared heartbreaking stories of Americans killed by criminal aliens who had no right to be here ? including a police officer in California who was murdered, a 16-year-old girl who was brutally stabbed in Maryland, and an Air Force veteran who was raped and beaten to death.
?I?ve held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief-stricken fathers,? Trump declared. ?I will never forget the pain in their eyes, the tremble in their voices, or the sadness gripping their souls.?
And he laid out his solution, which he explained was ?developed by law enforcement professionals and border agents? and includes funds for cutting-edge technology, more border agents, more immigration judges, more bed space and medical support ? and $5.7 billion for a ?physical barrier? that he called ?just common sense.? Without naming her, Trump responded to the absurd charge from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that a wall is ?immoral.? Democrats voted repeatedly for physical barriers until he was elected president, he noted. If a wall is immoral, Trump asked, ?why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don?t build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.?
The president did not unilaterally declare a national emergency. Instead, he called for compromise and said, ?To those who refuse to compromise in the name of border security, I would ask: imagine if it was your child, your husband, or your wife, whose life was so cruelly shattered and totally broken??
He was, in short, presidential.
Democrats insisted on equal time, which is highly unusual for presidential addresses other than the State of the Union. It was a mistake. In contrast to Trump, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) came across as small and intransigent.
While Trump spoke calmly and rationally from behind the Resolute Desk, the Democratic leaders accused him of ?pounding the table? and having a ?temper tantrum.? While Trump told human stories, they complained about process. They accused him of arguing that the women and children at the border were ?a security threat? when he had just explained to the American people that they were victims, too. They charged him with using the ?backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.? They were partisan and petty, while Trump came across as reasonable and even compassionate.
To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.
And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear ? compromise. But Trump did. That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.
Until now, Trump has owned the 18-day government shutdown that prompted this address, because he?s the one who started it. But if Democrats continue to attack him, and won?t entertain any compromise, soon the shutdown will be all theirs ? because they?re the ones who have refused to end it.
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He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(] 0 -
You sure they haven't retracted that yet? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.0 -
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Still not sorry your girl lost!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Still not sorry your girl lost!!
Say what now?0 -
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
What new trade deal with Mexico? The one congress has yet to approve? That deal?0 -
Anyone who thought that Mexico would pay for the wall was an idiot.
Anyone who thinks that the trade deal helping pay for the wall is not based upon additional costs to the American Consumer is also an idiot.
If jobs come back to the US because of the new deal, it is because of the mandated wage floor for some auto workers in Mexico. Oddly, we oppose minimum wages in the US, but are all for entering a trade deal that establishes them in a foreign country.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Anyone who thought that Mexico would pay for the wall was an idiot.
Anyone who thinks that the trade deal helping pay for the wall is not based upon additional costs to the American Consumer is also an idiot.
If jobs come back to the US because of the new deal, it is because of the mandated wage floor for some auto workers in Mexico. Oddly, we oppose minimum wages in the US, but are all for entering a trade deal that establishes them in a foreign country.
I was so utterly surprised when I learned Mexico wasn't paying for the wall. I had to be revived with smelling salts.0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
When he gave his talk last night, again he stated Mexico is paying for the wall INDIRECTLY via the new tariff agreement.....but maybe you missed that [?]
Here is a direct quote: "The border wall would very quickly pay for itself. The cost of illegal drugs exceeds $500 billion dollars a year?vastly more than the $5.7 billion dollars we have requested from Congress. The wall will also be paid for, indirectly, by the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico."
And here is a link to the entire speech:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/01/08/read-trumps-full-oval-office-speech-on-border-security/
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Yep, that's a fact.0 -
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
quote:Originally posted by us55840
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
When he gave his talk last night, again he stated Mexico is paying for the wall INDIRECTLY via the new tariff agreement.....but maybe you missed that [?]
Here is a direct quote: "The border wall would very quickly pay for itself. The cost of illegal drugs exceeds $500 billion dollars a year?vastly more than the $5.7 billion dollars we have requested from Congress. The wall will also be paid for, indirectly, by the great new trade deal we have made with Mexico."
And here is a link to the entire speech:
https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/01/08/read-trumps-full-oval-office-speech-on-border-security/
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Yep, that's a fact.
I saw the speech. The only fact that remains is that Mexico is NOT paying for the wall. Hell, the trade deal he's talking about hasn't even been passed by congress!0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Actually, he stated in the address that Mexico would be paying for it indirectly.0 -
No matter how you look at it if President Trump surrenders to the democraps there would be no stopping Pelosi and Schumer in the furture.
Stand Strong President Trump and tell Pelosi and Schumer to kiss your rear your standing strong for America0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
[:D][:D]
Yes, and that was his aim from the beginning.0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
[:D][:D]
Yes, and that was his aim from the beginning.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
[:D][:D]
Yes, and that was his aim from the beginning.
It was eh? So he didn't say Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Which is it? Is Mexico paying for the wall at the expense of trade, or is the wall paying for itself, or is Mexico paying for the wall some other way? WTH does "Mexico is paying for the wall" even mean anymore? Not to mention that now the wall isn't even a wall, it's a fence, because he compromised on that firm ground. God the NRA folks must love him.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mark G
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/opinions-trump-won-the-night-schumer-and-pelosi-lost/ar-BBRZZU6?li=BBnb4R7
Opinions | Trump won the night. Schumer and Pelosi lost.
Marc Thiessen 14 hrs ago
President Trump did something Tuesday night that he has rarely done since taking office: He used the presidential bully pulpit to reach beyond his hardcore base of supporters to make his case to the American people as a whole.
Speaking from the Oval Office for the first time during his presidency, Trump embraced our country?s tradition as a nation of immigrants, declaring ?America proudly welcomes millions of lawful immigrants who enrich our society and contribute to our nation.? He then offered a cogent explanation why he believes we face what he called ?a humanitarian crisis ? a crisis of the heart and a crisis of the soul? along our southern border.
He pointed out the human cost of our broken system to illegal migrants themselves, expressing compassion for the ?children [who] are used as human pawns by vicious coyotes and ruthless gangs? and the ?women [who] are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico.? He shared heartbreaking stories of Americans killed by criminal aliens who had no right to be here ? including a police officer in California who was murdered, a 16-year-old girl who was brutally stabbed in Maryland, and an Air Force veteran who was raped and beaten to death.
?I?ve held the hands of the weeping mothers and embraced the grief-stricken fathers,? Trump declared. ?I will never forget the pain in their eyes, the tremble in their voices, or the sadness gripping their souls.?
And he laid out his solution, which he explained was ?developed by law enforcement professionals and border agents? and includes funds for cutting-edge technology, more border agents, more immigration judges, more bed space and medical support ? and $5.7 billion for a ?physical barrier? that he called ?just common sense.? Without naming her, Trump responded to the absurd charge from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) that a wall is ?immoral.? Democrats voted repeatedly for physical barriers until he was elected president, he noted. If a wall is immoral, Trump asked, ?why do wealthy politicians build walls, fences and gates around their homes? They don?t build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.?
The president did not unilaterally declare a national emergency. Instead, he called for compromise and said, ?To those who refuse to compromise in the name of border security, I would ask: imagine if it was your child, your husband, or your wife, whose life was so cruelly shattered and totally broken??
He was, in short, presidential.
Democrats insisted on equal time, which is highly unusual for presidential addresses other than the State of the Union. It was a mistake. In contrast to Trump, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (N.Y.) came across as small and intransigent.
While Trump spoke calmly and rationally from behind the Resolute Desk, the Democratic leaders accused him of ?pounding the table? and having a ?temper tantrum.? While Trump told human stories, they complained about process. They accused him of arguing that the women and children at the border were ?a security threat? when he had just explained to the American people that they were victims, too. They charged him with using the ?backdrop of the Oval Office to manufacture a crisis, stoke fear and divert attention from the turmoil in his administration.? They were partisan and petty, while Trump came across as reasonable and even compassionate.
To normal Americans watching in the heartland, and who are not steeped in Trump hatred, the president must have seemed like the adult in the room.
And, most important, Pelosi and Schumer failed to use the one word that millions of Americans were longing to hear ? compromise. But Trump did. That is why the president won the night. Schumer and Pelosi appealed to their base, while Trump made an effective appeal to persuadable Americans.
Until now, Trump has owned the 18-day government shutdown that prompted this address, because he?s the one who started it. But if Democrats continue to attack him, and won?t entertain any compromise, soon the shutdown will be all theirs ? because they?re the ones who have refused to end it.
I absolutely LOVE this synopsis. [:D]0 -
5B for a wall or 155B for welfare to ILLEGALS. 0 -
he is a brave man to write this flavor review...klintons may send someone out to tighten his valves 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 47studebaker
5B for a wall or 155B for welfare to ILLEGALS.
Ssshhhh..............No one is supposed to talk about THAT.0 -
Go Donald! MAGA!!!!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
[:D][:D]
Yes, and that was his aim from the beginning.
It was eh? So he didn't say Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Which is it? Is Mexico paying for the wall at the expense of trade, or is the wall paying for itself, or is Mexico paying for the wall some other way? WTH does "Mexico is paying for the wall" even mean anymore? Not to mention that now the wall isn't even a wall, it's a fence, because he compromised on that firm ground. God the NRA folks must love him.
The way that I have understood Trump from the very beginning is that Mexico was going to pay for the wall one way or the other, which would be in line with what he stated in his address.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
[:D][:D]
Yes, and that was his aim from the beginning.
It was eh? So he didn't say Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Which is it? Is Mexico paying for the wall at the expense of trade, or is the wall paying for itself, or is Mexico paying for the wall some other way? WTH does "Mexico is paying for the wall" even mean anymore? Not to mention that now the wall isn't even a wall, it's a fence, because he compromised on that firm ground. God the NRA folks must love him.
The way that I have understood Trump from the very beginning is that Mexico was going to pay for the wall one way or the other, which would be in line with what he stated in his address.
kimi, you are an intelligent man. In what way does this trade deal even remotely have Mexico paying for the wall?
Indirectly, remotely, possibly, kinda-sorta, hell, point to anything and I'll at least listen.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
[:D][:D]
Yes, and that was his aim from the beginning.
It was eh? So he didn't say Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Which is it? Is Mexico paying for the wall at the expense of trade, or is the wall paying for itself, or is Mexico paying for the wall some other way? WTH does "Mexico is paying for the wall" even mean anymore? Not to mention that now the wall isn't even a wall, it's a fence, because he compromised on that firm ground. God the NRA folks must love him.
The way that I have understood Trump from the very beginning is that Mexico was going to pay for the wall one way or the other, which would be in line with what he stated in his address.
Well, that does not align very well with things Trump has actually said/tweeted.0 -
well its a G-DAM sight better than a herd of previous prezs have done !!!!!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
He said Mexico was going to pay for the wall, and has completely abandoned that idea, meaning that all of the eminent domain land grabs will be subsidized by our tax dollars. Yep wonderful!![xx(][xx(][xx(]
Trump says the new trade deal with Mexico will more than pay for the wall. No concrete proof but it's definitely possible.
[:D][:D]
Yes, and that was his aim from the beginning.
It was eh? So he didn't say Mexico was going to pay for the wall? Which is it? Is Mexico paying for the wall at the expense of trade, or is the wall paying for itself, or is Mexico paying for the wall some other way? WTH does "Mexico is paying for the wall" even mean anymore? Not to mention that now the wall isn't even a wall, it's a fence, because he compromised on that firm ground. God the NRA folks must love him.
The way that I have understood Trump from the very beginning is that Mexico was going to pay for the wall one way or the other, which would be in line with what he stated in his address.
Well, that does not align very well with things Trump has actually said/tweeted.
It aligns with what I've read and heard, though, and that's what I based my answer on.0 -
Ok Naysayers, so whats the answer?
Do you want a Fence or no? How should it be funded?0 -
quote:Originally posted by wiplash
Ok Naysayers, so whats the answer?
Do you want a Fence or no? How should it be funded?
Border security is a huge issue this country faces currently. ICE says, and logic and history concur, that a border wall of some salience would help. Great. Building it poses endless eminent domain issues. If I thought for one second Trump had landowner's interest in mind I would probably support him. Were that the only issue, I would probably support him. It's not. Many Americans own land that crosses the border. Have you heard how that's going to be addressed? How about animals that migrate freely currently. What is the plan to address livestock and game animal habitat? And that doesn't even begin to touch the state's rights issues created by constructing a FEDERAL wall on State land.0 -
Trump is going to get his steel wall/barrier. Not one doubt about it as I see it. 0 -
I support President Trump,,, 0
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