Impeaching Trump.
Does any of you liberals know what the charges would be?? What are the impeachable offenses? you can't just impeach somebody because you hate them. Barz must know. HUH?
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Not a liberal, but if Trump continues committing unforced errors and allowing himself to be baited I suspect it will be along the lines of obstruction of justice. He is squandering this recovering economy do to his ego, and it is a shame to see. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
Not a liberal, but if Trump continues committing unforced errors and allowing himself to be baited I suspect it will be along the lines of obstruction of justice. He is squandering this recovering economy do to his ego, and it is a shame to see.
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He needs to ignore the libtards and just drive on.
Unfortunately he will not do that and he will give them more and more ammo.0 -
I don't know why you think that there are any liberals here; I don't know anyone here who would not (or has not sworn to) defend the US Constitution.
But, if you really need to know, the current plan is to allege "election tampering" by Trump for paying off the bimbos.
Of course, some of us see real election tampering by Hillary, who conspired to rig the last election by sandbagging Bernie, & by paying for the Steele Dossier scam. Once she is indicted, then we can talk about Trump.
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quote:Originally posted by nmyers
I don't know why you think that there are any liberals here; I don't know anyone here who would not (or has not sworn to) defend the US Constitution.
Neal
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quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
Does any of you liberals know what the charges would be?? What are the impeachable offenses? you can't just impeach somebody because you hate them.
There is at least one Dem congressman on record saying they would impeach based on "damage to the country" regardless of what the results of Muellers investigation is.
I don't believe the Dems will retake the House....but even if they do, there is ZERO chance they take enough Senate seats to actually remove Trump from office (they need 60, not a simple majority)
They just want the spectacle. They can't get rid of Trump, but they can tie him up in impeachment hearings until 2020. And since they cant actually win, the charges they run with are unimportant.0 -
gotta agree with Rack Ops, they know they won't ever get him out of office, but anything they can do to make him look bad makes them look better, the news will print their lies to try and make the country believe them also....[xx(][V] there is no politics left, it is just us and them, each trying to make the other look bad, and no thought to helping the country, I wish Trump would tweet this and push this thought at every news conference, what has your local politician done to help america????? if nothing get him out 0 -
I here he weighs the same as a duck.
OK, so I'm not Monty Python.0 -
Not going to happen. The charges only exist in the minds of libtards, not in the real world.
However the real crimes committed by Hildabeast, are ignored.0 -
Dont believe the hype. Trump is in for the duration and a 2nd term. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alpine
Not going to happen. The charges only exist in the minds of libtards, not in the real world.
However the real crimes committed by Hildabeast, are ignored.
Article on Drudge not that long ago where someone was actually counting the number of times the word "impeached" was used relative to Trump on CNN and the count was over 2000 in a 24 hour period.
SPOT ON[^]
All this media garbage and the Muller anal exam is nothing more than a smoke screen to cover up Clinton crimes.0 -
Articles of impeachment have been introduced against every single Republican president in the last 40 years. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
Articles of impeachment have been introduced against every single Republican president in the last 40 years.
Learn something new everyday.[:0]
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrats-want-to-impeach-a-republican-president-what-else-is-new/0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
Does any of you liberals know what the charges would be?? What are the impeachable offenses? you can't just impeach somebody because you hate them.
There is at least one Dem congressman on record saying they would impeach based on "damage to the country" regardless of what the results of Muellers investigation is.
I don't believe the Dems will retake the House....but even if they do, there is ZERO chance they take enough Senate seats to actually remove Trump from office (they need 60, not a simple majority)
They just want the spectacle. They can't get rid of Trump, but they can tie him up in impeachment hearings until 2020. And since they cant actually win, the charges they run with are unimportant.
ection 3 - The Text
The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each state, [chosen by the Legislature thereof,]2 for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one-third may be chosen every second Year; [and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.]3
No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
The Senate shall choose their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Notice: End of second to last paragraph. It takes 2/3rds vote in the Senate to convict0 -
You are correct, gruntled. Thanks for the correction. 0 -
Thanks for the good information Gentlemen! It's so nice to see that some of us can all play well together..[;)] 0 -
I see it in fairly simple terms. I think the Rs will hold the Senate. If the Ds take control of the house, they will spend all of their time on articles of impeachment, but the Senate will not consider the matter so it will die there. Gridlock at its best and most ugly.
The key on whether the Ds take the house will be turnout on Nov 6th plain and simple. If Trump's base goes to the polls, impeachment will be dead issue. If they think that Trump is not on the ballot so they can stay home, the next day they will wish they had turned out.
Make no mistake, Trump's name is not on the ballot .... but this election is all about President Trump.
Added: and the Ds won't need "charges." They'll find something to go after him on. If he were a saint/choir boy, they'd still find something, and we all know he is no saint.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Perhaps it would be the wisest course to wait and see how the Special Counsel's investigation ends, before trying to guess what specific high crimes and misdemeanors are actually identified, if any.
All that can reasonably be done at this point is to watch the current progress of indictments and convictions/guilty pleas being obtained.
None of us know what Mueller has, or is doing, beyond that.
What the Federal Prosecutor SDNY, or the NY AG, have in mind is yet a different story still.
He's Back!
Anyone have a question for him?0 -
I reckon if they keep yapping about impeachment they think it'll come to be. 0 -
1/2 + of the USA are demonrat dupes. Remember that next election.
The Don needs to put down the twit-er crap.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Perhaps it would be the wisest course to wait and see how the Special Counsel's investigation ends, before trying to guess what specific high crimes and misdemeanors are actually identified, if any.
All that can reasonably be done at this point is to watch the current progress of indictments and convictions/guilty pleas being obtained.
None of us know what Mueller has, or is doing, beyond that.
What the Federal Prosecutor SDNY, or the NY AG, have in mind is yet a different story still.
The investigation will never end as long as Trump is in the Whitehouse. Like most people know, the investigation is nothing more than a red herring to keep the dogs away from Hilliary0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Perhaps it would be the wisest course to wait and see how the Special Counsel's investigation ends, before trying to guess what specific high crimes and misdemeanors are actually identified, if any.
All that can reasonably be done at this point is to watch the current progress of indictments and convictions/guilty pleas being obtained.
None of us know what Mueller has, or is doing, beyond that.
What the Federal Prosecutor SDNY, or the NY AG, have in mind is yet a different story still.
At this point in time do you really believe there is "some crime or treasonous act" that 2/3 of the Senate will vote to impeach Trump? What are the odds, one on a million? Wishful thinking by clueless Democrats.0 -
If they had anything, anything at all, we would all be very very aware of it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by chiefr
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Perhaps it would be the wisest course to wait and see how the Special Counsel's investigation ends, before trying to guess what specific high crimes and misdemeanors are actually identified, if any.
All that can reasonably be done at this point is to watch the current progress of indictments and convictions/guilty pleas being obtained.
None of us know what Mueller has, or is doing, beyond that.
What the Federal Prosecutor SDNY, or the NY AG, have in mind is yet a different story still.
The investigation will never end as long as Trump is in the Whitehouse. Like most people know, the investigation is nothing more than a red herring to keep the dogs away from Hilliary
I could not agree any more with you.
The more Mueller digs, the more evidence is uncovered on Hillary, the "justice" department, Barry, Eric, Loretta, Valerie, and the deep state.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Perhaps it would be the wisest course to wait and see how the Special Counsel's investigation ends, before trying to guess what specific high crimes and misdemeanors are actually identified, if any.
All that can reasonably be done at this point is to watch the current progress of indictments and convictions/guilty pleas being obtained.
None of us know what Mueller has, or is doing, beyond that.
What the Federal Prosecutor SDNY, or the NY AG, have in mind is yet a different story still.
At this point in time do you really believe there is "some crime or treasonous act" that 2/3 of the Senate will vote to impeach Trump? What are the odds, one on a million? Wishful thinking by clueless Democrats.
"some crime or treasonous act" is not the standard used.
And since I don't know the end from the beginning, I cannot predict what the outcome will be.
But there seems to be a wall being built.
Whether it ultimately turns out to be a prison cell or otherwise, and for whom, I cannot tell.
But something appears to be going on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp5JCrSXkJY
What I see going on is more and more Democrats taking the RED PILL, probably not a lot of Libtards, they were terminal two years ago.
Liberals sick of the alt-left are taking 'the red pill'
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/13/liberals-sick-alt-left-are-taking-red-pill.html
Who wants to be identified with Masked Protesters who believe in destruction of private and state property. Not to mention OPEN BORDERS and gun control. ie: Make america a world class ****hole.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
bla, bla, bla
Most people I have met could not accurately tell you, me, or anyone else what or where the terms "liberal" and "conservative" come from, or mean.
Your "Most People" are different. I'd say all the people known to me have a good grasp on what a liberal or conservative believes.
Liberals believe in BIG GOVERNMENT and Conservatives believe in smaller government.
Liberals believe government decides and conservatives believe in self determination.
Here is a list of items and it seems OK with me:
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Left_Wing_vs_Right_Wing
Guess what these number reference?
% of U.S. population self-identifying 23% / 38%
No way I'd identify with this kind of crud. Makes sense to a conservative to have a voter picture ID,, just like the majority of Free countries in the world.
Voter ID Laws LIBERALS
Against voter ID laws citing undue burden on lower income groups causing them to be disenfranchised.
Voter ID Laws Conservatives:
For voter identification laws to combat voter fraud.0 -
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
bla, bla, bla
Most people I have met could not accurately tell you, me, or anyone else what or where the terms "liberal" and "conservative" come from, or mean.
Your "Most People" are different. I'd say all the people known to me have a good grasp on what a liberal or conservative believes.
Liberals believe in BIG GOVERNMENT and Conservatives believe in smaller government.
Liberals believe government decides and conservatives believe in self determination.
Here is a list of items and it seems OK with me:
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Left_Wing_vs_Right_Wing
Guess what these number reference?
% of U.S. population self-identifying 23% / 38%
No way I'd identify with this kind of crud. Makes sense to a conservative to have a voter picture ID,, just like the majority of Free countries in the world.
Voter ID Laws LIBERALS
Against voter ID laws citing undue burden on lower income groups causing them to be disenfranchised.
Voter ID Laws Conservatives:
For voter identification laws to combat voter fraud.
Many who claim to be conservative support a big Federal Government definition of marriage that comports to their own personal beliefs.
Many who claim to be conservative support a big Federal Government program that will borrow money from their own grandchildren to pay themselves in retirement today.
Many who claim to be liberal will deny civil rights to some through the granting of special rights to others.
Many who claim to be liberal will impose the will of the majority upon a minority because they simply know best.
The terms are fluid and mean different things to different people. There seem to be as many big government conservatives as there are big government liberals. The difference is simply what any given individual wants from that big government.0 -
Liberals believe in Government of the government by the government and for the government. With them in charge.
Conservatives believe in the constitution literately as written. Gov. of the people by the people and for the people.
The big problem is a large percentage of the people are too ignorant.
They do not know where the government gets it's money and are intentionally kept that way.
liberals thrive on dependency as do Democrats. Communism is guaranteed poverty for all.0 -
quote:Originally posted by GreatGuns
This topic is silly. Impeachment will never happen, it's just a "stall" in everything this country "should be doing" instead of doing this side of nothing for progress. Our POTUS knows his legal limitations and has more legal talent working 24/7 on his behalf than any of us will ever know, let alone conceive. In addition, he has created a Teflon bubble around him that makes all the bs slide right off. Try as you might, bitch as you will, question the future, but the bottom line is America is getting nothing done and more separation exists now than occurred during the C-ivil W-ar. For those that want to claim how much they hate the other side, you are the f***ing problem and are not getting any kind of message across to the other side shy of pure hatred, impatience and intolerance. The things that cause every single war. Thank you very much. [V]
Nothing done,? Trump has done more than any president for the conservatives than in my lifetime.
The Mexico -US agreement got 12 seconds on the "news" the lemmings watch and now back to creating discord between the libs and right side. That's all they do.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by droptop
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
bla, bla, bla
Most people I have met could not accurately tell you, me, or anyone else what or where the terms "liberal" and "conservative" come from, or mean.
Your "Most People" are different. I'd say all the people known to me have a good grasp on what a liberal or conservative believes.
Liberals believe in BIG GOVERNMENT and Conservatives believe in smaller government.
Liberals believe government decides and conservatives believe in self determination.
Here is a list of items and it seems OK with me:
https://www.diffen.com/difference/Left_Wing_vs_Right_Wing
Guess what these number reference?
% of U.S. population self-identifying 23% / 38%
No way I'd identify with this kind of crud. Makes sense to a conservative to have a voter picture ID,, just like the majority of Free countries in the world.
Voter ID Laws LIBERALS
Against voter ID laws citing undue burden on lower income groups causing them to be disenfranchised.
Voter ID Laws Conservatives:
For voter identification laws to combat voter fraud.
Many who claim to be conservative support a big Federal Government definition of marriage that comports to their own personal beliefs.
Many who claim to be conservative support a big Federal Government program that will borrow money from their own grandchildren to pay themselves in retirement today.
Many who claim to be liberal will deny civil rights to some through the granting of special rights to others.
Many who claim to be liberal will impose the will of the majority upon a minority because they simply know best.
The terms are fluid and mean different things to different people. There seem to be as many big government conservatives as there are big government liberals. The difference is simply what any given individual wants from that big government.
You are describing a situation, not signifying a definition.
Anything can mean anything to anyone, no doubt, but not all ideas are so cheaply dealt with.
Correct, and that was the point. It really does not matter whether one considers Adam Smith when discussing liberalism, as no one cares about what he meant when he used the term.
If one wants to consider himself 'liberal' or 'conservative', the way the terms were used politically in the mid to late 1700s does not matter much today.0 -
I consider myself a Classical Liberal. There's one that confuses people [:)] 0
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