I am sure someone here can explain this to us.
Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM
Link fixed.
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGMLink fixed.
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quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
quote:Originally posted by BarzilliaOriginally posted by FrancF
If you have specific information about a particular incident or program, bring it forth.
OK-[:D]
Funny- we make international agreements for something that does not exist.
http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmdius/uc1064-i/uc106402.htm
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/045102
The patent holders-
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3,899,144.PN.&OS=PN/3,899,144&RS=PN/3,899,144
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,186
Nothing to see here-
http://news.sciencemag.org/2010/01/bill-gates-funding-geoengineering-research
and last but not least of thousands of web sites with gov. links
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-government-routinely-conducts-experiments-on-weather-modification/7139
"No doubt that there are weather modification attempts being undertaken.
If you have specific information about a particular incident or program, bring it forth.
"What if ?" is not a very practical approach."
If you have something other than what if, bring it forward.
Not general discussions or interviews or patents or possibilities.
Got those by the bushel, and just what are they worth ?
If it's all out there, Skully, why are there people hiding and denying ?
If you all got the secret stuff, why not share it ?
I kinda did-[8D]0 -
I am accepting of all logical opinions[:)] However, I will not dismiss anyone peeing on my shoes and tell me it's raining.[:D][;)] 0 -
That OP link is just heavy fog or even light rain
conditions, not chemtrails.
However commercial planes do not fly patterns observed
daily laying down a cloud.
What I believe they have been doing with this military
operation is deliberately destroying the ozone layer.
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Basic chemistry of ozone depletion
"one molecule of chlorine can degrade over 100,000 molecules
of ozone before it is removed from the stratosphere or becomes
part of an inactive compound"
http://www2.mcdaniel.edu/Biology/eh01/ozone/epsformationoz.htm
http://ozonedepletion.researchtoday.net/archive/8/12/509.htm
http://ozonedepletion.researchtoday.net/archive/4/8/133.htm
www.geoengineeringwatch.org/dangerous-ozone-depletion-and-uv-levels-increasing/
Cooling System Additives
"Vappro 748 does not contain toxic substances like Chromate,
Barium Bromate or any Ozone depleting substances."
www.interprocorp.com/cooling-system-additives.html
And now the disinfo.. chemtrails are here to help us by reflecting
sun to prevent global warming.
Solar radiation management: Stratospheric aerosols
"A more sophisticated approach, using multi-layered nanoparticles
(consisting of aluminum and barium titanate), was published by David
Keith in 2010."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radiation_management#Stratospheric_aerosols
A Significant Ozone Hole Is Reported Over the Arctic
By Felicity Barringer
October 3, 2011
www.nytimes.com/2011/10/04/science/earth/04ozone.html
www.theozonehole.com/arcticozone.htm
Fish getting skin cancer from UV radiation, scientists say
"Teams find cancerous lesions on the scales of about 15% of the coral
trout in Australia's Great Barrier Reef, which is under an ozone hole."
www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-fish-skin-cancer-20120802,0,1441790.story
Ozone hole and cancers
www.theozonehole.com/consequences.htm
www.theozonehole.com/australianskincancer.htm
www.epa.gov/ozone/science/sc_fact.html
Cancer fear rises as ozone hole grows
www.stuff.co.nz/science/5884864/Cancer-fear-rises-as-ozone-hole-grows
www.ozone-hole.org.uk/11.php
Skin cancers of all kinds are on the rise, worldwide
www.medicalecology.org/atmosphere/a_app_strat.htm
"DEPLETION of the ozone layer has been observed on a global scale,
and is probably related to halocarbon emissions. Ozone depletion
increases the biologically harmful solar ultraviolet radiation
reaching the surface of the Earth, which leads to a variety of
adverse effects, including an increase in the incidence of skin cancer."
www.nature.com/nature/journal/v384/n6606/abs/384256a0.html
Health Effects of Overexposure to the Sun
Ozone layer depletion decreases our atmosphere's natural protection
from the sun's harmful ultraviolet (UV) rays. This Web page provides
a quick overview of the major health problems linked to overexposure
to UV radiation. Understanding these risks and taking a few sensible
precautions will help you enjoy the sun while lowering your chances
of sun-related health problems.
Ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun and from tanning beds is
classified as a human carcinogen by the U.S. Department of Health
and Human Services and the World Health Organization.
Skin cancer (melanoma and nonmelanoma)
Premature aging of the skin and other skin problems
Cataracts and other eye damage
Immune system suppression
www.epa.gov/sunwise/uvandhealth.html
www.who.int/uv/health/en/
Chemtrails Spray Barium Toxic Skies: KSLA Reportshttp://youtu.be/-wynpGOWb80
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quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. Take a look at photographs of aerial combat over Europe from WWII. You will see literally hundreds of contrails.
So all of a sudden these contrails became chemtrails? Gimme a break!
Whoa reading comprehension much? I said the "Debate" I did not say we never saw contrails. Jesus christ dude re read what I said. Give ME a break. Are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters here?
Okay,"dude," just for you, the reason you did not see "chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's" is because there was no Internet for people to debate on "in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's."
DUH!
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quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. Take a look at photographs of aerial combat over Europe from WWII. You will see literally hundreds of contrails.
So all of a sudden these contrails became chemtrails? Gimme a break!
Whoa reading comprehension much? I said the "Debate" I did not say we never saw contrails. Jesus christ dude re read what I said. Give ME a break. Are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters here?
Okay,"dude," just for you, the reason you did not see "chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's" is because there was no Internet for people to debate on "in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's."
DUH!
Feel secure. The good Lord protects drunks and fools.
Sorry but you are off base again. The debate started before the internet was publicly available and before it was even widely available.
Maybe you are 15 years old and don't recall? I am 45 and remember well. I think one of the first publications to cover it was THE SPOTLIGHT.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Sorry but you are off base again. The debate started before the internet was publicly available and before it was even widely available.
Maybe you are 15 years old and don't recall? I am 45 and remember well. I think one of the first publications to cover it was THE SPOTLIGHT.Commercial Internet service providers began to emerge in the late 1980s.
The Spotlight first published in September 1975, but did not go on-line until 1997. It went tits-up in July 2001.
A Google search on "chemtrails" failed to find any reference prior to 1995. Chemtrail Central states, "Reports of Chemtrails began slowly gaining momentum in 1999, and are increasing rapidly in 2000. There are reports and photographic evidence to suggest that some spraying was occuring [sic] as early as 1990."
The Spotlight published a single article about chemtrails in their print version on Oct 9, 2000. In that article they remarked that chemtrails had been noticed "two years ago." That puts the advent of your "Great Chemtrail Debate" sometime in 1998.
Three additional articles about chemtrails in The Spotlight were published on-line in 2001 on Feb 19, June 11, and June 25.
So, Waco, were you a paper subscriber to The Spotlight prior to 1997? Even if you were (which I doubt) the fact remains that an article in a fringe publication like The Spotlight hardly qualifies as a "Great Debate." And 1998 is hardly, "before the internet was publicly available and before it was even widely available."
I suggest we might all best be served if you would do just a little research before making your assertions.
The above dates are available on-line.
Once again, "the reason you did not see 'chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's' is because there was no Internet for people to debate on 'in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's.'"
The combination of wide Internet access, gross ignorance on the part of many, and the normal delay between one person hollering, "The sky is falling," and other fools taking up the same cry explains the delay in seeing your "Great Debate" become urban legend.
You are 45 years old? Damn, that's impressive. Me? I was working on nuclear weapons at (classified) in 1969 about the time you were born.0 -
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I love this thread[:D]
We need to have a "Wierd Science" forum.[:D]0
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