I am sure someone here can explain this to us.
Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM
Link fixed.
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGMLink fixed.
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Well according to this former airline pilot, "The program functions generally as follows: The desired chemical agents (which I will cover in detail soon) are integrated into the jet fuel itself by the large oil companies at their refineries. This is why there are no separate delivery trucks or aircraft spraying systems to be found. The chemicals are dispersed directly by the engines into the atmosphere."
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001648.html
The fact there are no visible streams from the engine exhausts in the video contradict this inside source.
So, someone is full of it. I vote both you and he.0 -
It is irrefutable if you choose ignorance over knowledge. I have flown millions of miles, contrails from flaps and wing tips are common, I saw them 100's of times while landing and taking off.
Here, learn something.
Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.[1]
The wingtip vortices which trail from the wingtips and wing flaps of aircraft are sometimes partly visible due to condensation in the cores of the vortices. Each vortex is a mass of spinning air and the air pressure at the centre of the vortex is very low. These wingtip vortices are not the same as contrails.
Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours which may affect climate.[2]
As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed. The reduction in pressure and temperature across each vortex can cause water to condense and make the cores of the wingtip vortices visible. This effect is more common on humid days. Wingtip vortices can sometimes be seen behind the wing flaps of airliners during takeoff and landing, and during landing of the Space shuttle.
SOURCE: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Contrail.html
Please note the Utube trash was videoed during a foggy very high humidity landing.0 -
whoopee...I used to get vortices off my trans-am going to town on saturday night 0 -
quote:Originally posted by CDMead
Well according to this former airline pilot, "The program functions generally as follows: The desired chemical agents (which I will cover in detail soon) are integrated into the jet fuel itself by the large oil companies at their refineries. This is why there are no separate delivery trucks or aircraft spraying systems to be found. The chemicals are dispersed directly by the engines into the atmosphere."
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001648.html
The fact there are no visible streams from the engine exhausts in the video contradict this inside source.
So, someone is full of it. I vote both you and he.
You are siting an outdated theory.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bpost
It is irrefutable if you choose ignorance over knowledge. I have flown millions of miles, contrails from flaps and wing tips are common, I saw them 100's of times while landing and taking off.
Here, learn something.
Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.[1]
The wingtip vortices which trail from the wingtips and wing flaps of aircraft are sometimes partly visible due to condensation in the cores of the vortices. Each vortex is a mass of spinning air and the air pressure at the centre of the vortex is very low. These wingtip vortices are not the same as contrails.
Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours which may affect climate.[2]
As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed. The reduction in pressure and temperature across each vortex can cause water to condense and make the cores of the wingtip vortices visible. This effect is more common on humid days. Wingtip vortices can sometimes be seen behind the wing flaps of airliners during takeoff and landing, and during landing of the Space shuttle.
SOURCE: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Contrail.html
Please note the Utube trash was videoed during a foggy very high humidity landing.
Clearly we are seeing this in the video not in the atmosphere(high up) and in warm conditions. There is cloud cover. While you might want a coat in this weather it is not very cold. Keep the excuses coming!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
quote:Originally posted by bpost
It is irrefutable if you choose ignorance over knowledge. I have flown millions of miles, contrails from flaps and wing tips are common, I saw them 100's of times while landing and taking off.
Here, learn something.
Contrails (short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are artificial clouds that are the visible trails of condensed water vapour made by the exhaust of aircraft engines. As the hot exhaust gases cool in the surrounding air they may precipitate a cloud of microscopic water droplets. If the air is cold enough, this trail will comprise tiny ice crystals.[1]
The wingtip vortices which trail from the wingtips and wing flaps of aircraft are sometimes partly visible due to condensation in the cores of the vortices. Each vortex is a mass of spinning air and the air pressure at the centre of the vortex is very low. These wingtip vortices are not the same as contrails.
Depending on atmospheric conditions, contrails may be visible for only a few seconds or minutes, or may persist for many hours which may affect climate.[2]
As a wing generates lift, it causes a vortex to form at each wingtip, and sometimes also at the tip of each wing flap. These wingtip vortices persist in the atmosphere long after the aircraft has passed. The reduction in pressure and temperature across each vortex can cause water to condense and make the cores of the wingtip vortices visible. This effect is more common on humid days. Wingtip vortices can sometimes be seen behind the wing flaps of airliners during takeoff and landing, and during landing of the Space shuttle.
SOURCE: http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Contrail.html
Please note the Utube trash was videoed during a foggy very high humidity landing.
Clearly we are seeing this in the video not in the atmosphere(high up) and in warm conditions. There is cloud cover. While you might want a coat in this weather it is not very cold. Keep the excuses coming!
My momma taught me to stop arguing with an idiot; they simply beat you down with experience.0 -
I understand the science. Cold air and moisture laden exhaust forms ice crystals. They dissipate rapidly most the time. In really cold weather they linger longer.
If you put ice out in temps lower then 33 degrees you won't see it melt. ON a hot summer day that ice cure will melt pretty fast and be gone.
So when I see contrails in a hot summer sky lingering for hours I wonder who it is here that has a grasp on science and who does not. Obviously some of you are wearing blinders.
Some of you will explain it away by suggesting on those hot summer days I saw it lingering it was a result of really hot conditions at the ground level but somehow an arctic freeze was running up above.
You guys are total scientists. I am in awe of your scientific abilities.0 -
quote:So when I see contrails in a hot summer sky lingering for hours I wonder who it is here that has a grasp on science and who does not. Obviously some of you are wearing blinders.
Some of you will explain it away by suggesting on those hot summer days I saw it lingering it was a result of really hot conditions at the ground level but somehow an arctic freeze was running up above.
You really can't be that willfully ignorant, can you? Sad, really sad. [:(]
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/standard-atmosphere-d_604.html0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM
Link fixed.
That one is a normal occurrence with aircraft Waco-[;)] The big ones in question are the ones that happen on a scheduled time frame and the aircraft flying the grid in real time or 5 min delay do not show up on http://www.flightradar24.com/0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM
Link fixed.
That one is a normal occurrence with aircraft Waco-[;)] The big ones in question are the ones that happen on a scheduled time frame and the aircraft flying the grid in real time or 5 min delay do not show up on http://www.flightradar24.com/
I believe I saw personally these air craft you speak of. Flying a grid, laying trails. Over a space of about 20 miles. 5 to 6 jets not air liners but smaller. Criss crossed grid, every time any jet in the game came to the end of the grid the contrail stopped. Every time any jet made a u turn and came back into the gid the spray started again right when it got parallel with the grid so it cold lay the next line. Over and over and I watched for over an hour. So no one is going to tell me I was seeing contrails interacting with warm and cold air pockets precisely where they needed to be to form this perfectly built grid. The mathematically improbability of this occurring is sky high so far as the odds. You could probably try and re create this using real contrails and never get it done in a life time of doing it every day.
So when I see the same stuff on this plane coming in for a landing I know what I am seeing. Seen many a jet come in on a foggy strip, you don't see what you saw in this video. No way no how. If you do find me another example.
The excuses are already being posted on youtube and live link. It's water vapor from a vortex created by the wing. Bulllllllllllllllll ****.0 -
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. 0 -
And any fool can go seek out real water vapor coming off wings on youtube. Take a gander, looks nothing like the example posted at top. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoeM6opOq8E
Wake up, DING DONG open your eye balls!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Waco, nutcases have been muttering about contrails for decades, this is nothing new.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DrQog6rVavc
Sanitys Void, indeed.
Yes since about 1990 but not before that. If you can show me an example of nut cases saying contrails were something other then contrails show me an article or home movie.0 -
Originally posted by Waco Waltz
I believe I saw personally these air craft you speak of. Flying a grid, laying trails. Over a space of about 20 miles. 5 to 6 jets not air liners but smaller. Criss crossed grid, every time any jet in the game came to the end of the grid the contrail stopped. First you have ZERO knowledge of the height of these flights. Contrails come contrails go, air here produces them, air 20 miles away at the same altitude does not; it all depends on ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS CONDUCIVE TO CONTRAILS.Every time any jet made a u turn and came back into the gid the spray started again right when it got parallel with the grid so it cold lay the next line. Over and over and I watched for over an hour. So no one is going to tell me I was seeing contrails interacting with warm and cold air pockets precisely where they needed to be to form this perfectly built grid. The mathematically improbability of this occurring is sky high HOW DO YOU KNOW???? so far as the odds. You could probably try and re create this using real contrails and never get it done in a life time of doing it every day.
So when I see the same stuff on this plane coming in for a landing I know what I am seeing. You know based upon what you WANT to believe, when presented with facts you poo-poo them preferring to believe in space monsters.Seen many a jet come in on a foggy strip, you don't see what you saw in this video Then you were not looking, open your eyes and freaking learn something. No way no how. If you do find me another example.
The excuses are already being posted on youtube and live link. It's water vapor from a vortex created by the wing. Bulllllllllllllllll ****. Sad, really sad.0 -
While weather modification is no conspiracy and every sane person on the planet with a little education knows man kind has been trying to control weather for decades, IE Cloud seeding etc.
The Debate revolving around "Chem trails" is simple one. Con-trails evaporate., They come and go in a reasonable amount of time. This we all agree.
Chem-trails on the other hand (No conspiracy) is an experiment funded by you and I to fight the so called "Global Warming" effect. So how do you mask such a program? High altitude spray where no one will take notice. Here on the west coast is where it happens, Artificial man made Clouds follow the jet stream West to East.
Most of us are asking, Instead of jumping on the "Conspiracy poo poo train, ask your self- Do you think a weather modification program is being conducted in the name of global warming?
Do you think "if" such a program did exist, would they would be open about it over chemicals used- IE Health issues?
If you trust every thing you see and are told- Question it! No harm in that!!!!!![8D][:)]0 -
Every time any jet made a u turn and came back into the gid the spray started again right when it got parallel with the grid so it cold lay the next line. Over and over and I watched for over an hour. So no one is going to tell me I was seeing contrails interacting with warm and cold air pockets precisely where they needed to be to form this perfectly built grid. The mathematically improbability of this occurring is sky high HOW DO YOU KNOW????
Because I was NOT born yesterday and observed Jets for 30 some years living near NSA Miramar. I know. The odds, I don't know the numbers but I know the odds of what I saw being contrails is a lot less likely then is the Government lying to us about what they are spraying. Again was not born yesterday.0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
While weather modification is no conspiracy and every sane person on the planet with a little education knows man kind has been trying to control weather for decades, IE Cloud seeding etc.
The Debate revolving around "Chem trails" is simple one. Con-trails evaporate., They come and go in a reasonable amount of time. This we all agree.
Chem-trails on the other hand (No conspiracy) is an experiment funded by you and I to fight the so called "Global Warming" effect. So how do you mask such a program? High altitude spray where no one will take notice. Here on the west coast is where it happens, Artificial man made Clouds follow the jet stream West to East.
Most of us are asking, Instead of jumping on the "Conspiracy poo poo train, ask your self- Do you think a weather modification program is being conducted in the name of global warming?
Do you think "if" such a program did exist, would they would be open about it over chemicals used- IE Health issues?
If you trust every thing you see and are told- Question it! No harm in that!!!!!![8D][:)]
Well maybe they are just trying to help us all out but why don't they just say so. Why deny and in a soviet style response call people crazy for seeing it as a spray and asking questions?
Weather modification could be a cover story. Maybe they don't want to get sued when they totally screw up the environment.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. Take a look at photographs of aerial combat over Europe from WWII. You will see literally hundreds of contrails.
So all of a sudden these contrails became chemtrails? Gimme a break!0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Note 4 lines, none coming directly out of the engine. Tell me again about atmospheric conditions and high altitude air temps. [:D]
Unless someone can make a really good case for digital manipulation this is irrefutable.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-xD0QxGlGM
Link fixed.
That one is a normal occurrence with aircraft Waco-[;)] The big ones in question are the ones that happen on a scheduled time frame and the aircraft flying the grid in real time or 5 min delay do not show up on http://www.flightradar24.com/
Taken outside my office last summer.
They disappeared over about 10 - 15 minutes IIRC.
One would think if these folks are smart enough to get the stuff to disappear after spraying, they could come up with a way to keep it from being seen while spraying.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
And another point I made in a live leak comment. You NEVER saw this contrail chemtrail debate in the 50's, 60's 70's or early 80's. Ask yourself why that is. Take a look at photographs of aerial combat over Europe from WWII. You will see literally hundreds of contrails.
So all of a sudden these contrails became chemtrails? Gimme a break!
Whoa reading comprehension much? I said the "Debate" I did not say we never saw contrails. Jesus christ dude re read what I said. Give ME a break. Are you intentionally trying to muddy the waters here?0 -
Taken outside hot summer day and lingered for hours while higher above it real contrails dissipated rapidly. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia Originally posted by FrancF
If you have specific information about a particular incident or program, bring it forth.
OK-[:D]
Funny- we make international agreements for something that does not exist.
http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmdius/uc1064-i/uc106402.htm
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/045102
The patent holders-
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3,899,144.PN.&OS=PN/3,899,144&RS=PN/3,899,144
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,186
Nothing to see here-
http://news.sciencemag.org/2010/01/bill-gates-funding-geoengineering-research
and last but not least of thousands of web sites with gov. links
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-government-routinely-conducts-experiments-on-weather-modification/71390 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
Funny- we make international agreements for something that does not exist.
http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200708/cmselect/cmdius/uc1064-i/uc106402.htm
http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/4/4/045102
The patent holders-
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3,899,144.PN.&OS=PN/3,899,144&RS=PN/3,899,144
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5,003,186.PN.&OS=PN/5,003,186&RS=PN/5,003,186
Nothing to see here-
http://news.sciencemag.org/2010/01/bill-gates-funding-geoengineering-research
and last but not least of thousands of web sites with gov. links
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-government-routinely-conducts-experiments-on-weather-modification/7139
Interesting stuff there.0 -
The nay sayers will POO POO this for Airplane "Sky Writing" However You can put any Engineered mix in this atomizer.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=3,899,144.PN.&OS=PN/3,899,144&RS=PN/3,899,1440 -
More concepts-
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We need not start form scratch when researchers and money have produced educational shows on the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybWku-lJe6I0 -
quote:Originally posted by Waco Waltz
Taken outside hot summer day and lingered for hours while higher above it real contrails dissipated rapidly.
QED
I give up. [B)]0
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