What will be the "Breaking Point" ?
It seems inevitable to me for certain now that some kind of governmental breakdown will occur either from self destruction or forceable action.
What do you think will be the turning point that causes the American Public to finally say - "Enough is Enough and we are not going to take it anymore !"
What do you think will be the turning point that causes the American Public to finally say - "Enough is Enough and we are not going to take it anymore !"
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I don't recall that many Aussie's being raped in front of their spouses. And I bet the founders didn't get into a fire fight with their small children standing behind them either. Some here do get a bit dramatic.
Again I say that none of us here,(if we are honest with ourselves and skipping all the brave talk), would risk the lives of our children present when the knock on on the door came. Some will make prior arraingements I am sure to safe guard those we love. Espeacially the children. So they would not be present or in harms way when the time came. I do not believe that many would start shooting with an innocent child at their side.0 -
Werwolf,, For someone who is former military and law enforcement, you sure don't seem to hold them in very high regard. Or did you consider yourself a "Puppet" during you own service? I am proud of my service and my job and I don't consider myself anyones "Puppet". 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dakotarich63
They already have a plan, they may not have thought it all the way through. They are trying to incite a small violent uprising which they will crush. They will then declare marshal law and try to confiscate all firearms to restore order and peace.If this dose not work they will turn off the power,if you are not prepared for this you will be forced to survive. This is a very dark scenario, one I hope and pray dose not happen.The race is for November, they will try to force as much as they can.The voting system is greatly flawed, and you don't even know if your vote is going to count. The American people need to stick together,( united we stand,divided we fall )
Dakotarich63
I have to agree totally. They have a plan and they have been testing it on groups that are unlikely to cause an uproar from the general population. Waco was the first that comes to mind ... and the connection to religous belief's was a bit frightening. Of course, there was the widespread explaination that the Feds were acting on reported child abuse or something which presumably is a function of the federal government over say a city, county or state agency.
The shot heard around the world came from an accidental discharge from the back of a government trailer. It was a shot muffled by the media and the final chapter of that book was buried by the subsequent bombing in Oklahoma City ... that fiasco didn't do anything but get the government off of the hook. The World Trade Center in turn took the flare away from Okie ... but the fact remains that they were able to carry out an assualt against citizen's and there was no outrage from the public. There will be more ... and more .. but as long as it isn't in our backyard ..... the frog will continue to sit in the water until it cooks.
It has started ...... but how many have actually taken notice? Will they ever take notice?
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The breaking point will be when they come into our homes and violate our rights. The sad thing is, a whole bunch of people will not see that as the breaking point.
We have way too many molly-coddled twits that regard the government as a third parent. When someone is paying your bills and stroking you, it's hard to see them as the enemy.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
Jim
Funny you should mention the flag.....
I have one on the front of my home.
I live in a development full of yuppies and tree huggers !
Needless to say.....I am the only house with a flag like it around.
Sometimes I feel alone in my beliefs........
I guess we will all see what happens because this crap will not be tolerated for long !
NY,
We live in the middle of the Bankhead NF here and the flag pole is on the honey do list. I will have the "Don't tread on me" and the Stars and strips on it. Like I said there is a reason the Rattler was used as opposed to say a copperhead!!![;)]0 -
Turning point. Good question. I am sadly under the impression that there is no awakening of the masses. With that in mind, i don't think we need the MacDonald eating masses to save our future. The 3% solution is all we need. All others are sheep and should be considered collateral damage. JMHO. steve 0 -
FWIW[|)], I don't hold anyone or any organization in high regard that doesn't do the same for me and why should I. In response to your silly question, No I am no puppet, however most others are and most are afraid to stand up to the government, the military, the police and other manipulative organizations for fear of losing their jobs and or other repercussions and I know this first hand as I have witnessed it over a very long period of time in different areas and by different people. 0 -
Since I believe that this is a definitely will happen and not a "maybe" or "might". So as my "insurance" I am preparing to depend solely on myself and my family for my "happiness". Happiness defines as being well fed, sheltered, and free of fear that I cannot protect me and mine.
Also starting a Garden Club with several likeminded family members and a few friends. Gonna grow everything possible.0 -
Werwolf: It's to bad that you hold those you served with in such low regard. Can I assume that you were not a Marine. I surmise this as once a Marine always a Marine.
As for all this talk of what will be. I read nothing but what could be best described as some kind of post apocyliptic destruction of our Country. Something akin to The Postman maybe. Or Mad Max. I don't see that happening myself. I see something more like Bosnia maybe. Just a break down of a constitutional government and a dictatorship possibly taking it's place. And even my example isn't a very good one. But I certainly don't see anything like some post war/takeover aftermath ala the postman. I will say that it will be interesting to see who fires the first shot from the forum fighters. I ask only only one thing. When it happens, and your "Shot heard around the world" rings out, pplease identfy yourself by your forum name so that we all say we were wrong and that you really,(whoever that may be), did have the guts to take a stand. Again, I am not directing this at anyone person or persons. Just in general. As I for one, would like to know that actually spoke with the guy that starts it all.0 -
There will be very little chance ANY may know 'when' or 'where' or 'whom' fired the first shot in anger.
I believe that it will break out all across this country...and it will follow some draconian law that many people SIMPLY CANNOT OBEY'.
Your voyeuristic appeal to the contrary, and your opinion that none that speak out will fight...that STILL will not excuse YOUR lack of action as the country turns to tyranny around your head...does it.0 -
Obviously I was a marine, my profile lists it quite clearly, I was also wounded. Again since you couldn't comprehend it the first time FWIW, I don't hold anyone or any organization in high regard that doesn't do the same for me. And no the only individuals that I hold in low regard are liberal wannabe losers like you and those like you. And the other comment about the Marine Corps is stupid and only made as a smartass remark for derogatory purposes in order to attempt to insult my service to my country, and that I was wounded and you are an ass.
Go join the brady bunch with the rest of your buddies so that you can properly serve your master the federal government.0 -
First of all. I was replying to your continued use of the term puppets when you refer to the military/LEO's. Your words, not mine. At no time have I said anything derogatory about your service. I simply said that once a Marine always a Marine. Nothing derogatory about that. You on the other hand continue to be derogatory towards me referring to me as a Liberal wanabe. And you do so with the intent to be insulting and derogatory. I have nothing but respect for those that serve and have served. Especially Marines. I believe they are the backbone of the military. I was never that tough and so instead joined the Army.
And Highball, No one can assume what anyone else will do or won't do when the times comes. And I am not saying that anyone here will do or not do anything. But with all the bravado that I read here, it is hard to imagine anyone doing anything. And I am not just talking about any one person. There is plenty to go around. As for what I will or will not do, I have not said and don't plan too. Why? Bacause any number of things can happen between now and whenever. With only a very few things that can be reasonable planned for. Given the limited resources at hand that most of have available.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 45long
First of all. I was replying to your continued use of the term puppets when you refer to the military/LEO's. Your words, not mine. At no time have I said anything derogatory about your service. I simply said that once a Marine always a Marine. Nothing derogatory about that. You on the other hand continue to be derogatory towards me referring to me as a Liberal wanabe. And you do so with the intent to be insulting and derogatory. I have nothing but respect for those that serve and have served. Especially Marines. I believe they are the backbone of the military. I was never that tough and so instead joined the Army.
And Highball, No one can assume what anyone else will do or won't do when the times comes. And I am not saying that anyone here will do or not do anything. But with all the bravado that I read here, it is hard to imagine anyone doing anything. And I am not just talking about any one person. There is plenty to go around. As for what I will or will not do, I have not said and don't plan too. Why? Bacause any number of things can happen between now and whenever. With only a very few things that can be reasonable planned for. Given the limited resources at hand that most of have available.
Because that is what it is called and the military and police are puppets of the federal government because most of them do its bidding giving power to the beast, that's good that you finally figured that out. Don't bother trying to weasel out of initiating insults and derogatory remarks because that is exactly what your intent was all along and then pretend that you didn't do anything wrong and that you were a victim, so predictable. If you don't like insults and derogatory comments then don't initiate them and give them out, as I do not but will return fire if fired upon, so check your fire. You seem to have liberal views by your own posts, your views seem progressive and collectivist and you adhere to tolerance and protection of the federal government and believe in their system and support it, however I do no such thing. And yeah, I am an ex-Marine, former Marine, once a Marine always a Marine, Devil Dog, whatever works for you and paid for it and it is mine whether I, you or any one else likes it or not is of no consequence and doesn't matter in the slightest. They trained me to be part of the Constitutional Militia of the Republic whether they realize it or not and if I have to die fighting them or anyone else then so be it and it will manifest itself at the moment of truth so all will know.
Gladium Stringe!0 -
I would be interested to know what I have said to lead you to believe that I am a liberal, or collectivist or whatever term you used. Not one time have I insulted your service. If you think I have, then please show me. I am not trying to "weasel" out of anything. Sometimes my sense of humor can sometimes be misunderstood. Not my fault. When I insult someone they or anyone else have no problem knowing it. Now If someone is overly sensitive, that's on them. Sorry.
So. For the record, I have nothing but respect for the men and women who serve or have served. Are there those that don't deserve repect? Sure. There are bad apples in every barrel. The majority are more than deserving as far as I am concerned. I am NOT a liberal. Not have I ever been a liberal. Believe it or not. I don't care. I vote as conservative a ticket as I can. If that makes me a "collectivist" as you put it, then so be it. That's your opinion. But it is my Constitutional right to vote, and I excericise it. You are free not to if you wish.
Everytime this topic comes up, the same debates and accusations come with it. It serves nothing.0 -
No, there is no shifting blame to someone else with the "sense of humor" or "oversensitivity" excuse; that is not a "sense of humor" or "oversensitivity" its called an insult and they are derogatory and were not initiated by myself nor are they. However I have no intention of continuing with this nonsense bantering about as it is a complete waste of time as is discussing this or anything else with you and some others here as we only argue and fight, so we can agree to disagree and leave it at that, anyway it should be obvious. If this is one of those "last word" things like most of these forum arguments usually are then by all means go ahead. And like I said earlier these forums seem like a real waste of time with this mickey mouse nonsense, of which I was warned but thought it good to give it a chance and several years later its still the same old bs.
I remember initially really looking forward to meeting those of a like mindedness concerning the Constitution and the Republic and such, but these places are chocked full of alot of wannabe, nonsense, bickering bs, but maybe that was the intention all along and if that is what is going against the government, divided, infighting, bickering etc then we are all doomed, and that's too bad.0 -
The Majority of your last post I agree with completely. As to the first part, I agree that we will agree to disagree and leave it at that.
As I said this subject does this everytime it comes up. Nothing is ever gained. But plenty is lost.0 -
The proposed question was not to start a fight or incite name calling.
It was originally written to find out "The Peoples" opinion regarding the pivot point that will make "We Americans" finally stand up and give the Government the "Mighty Middle Finger" !
United we stand, divided we fall.
You either believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as they are writen.......or you do not........
..............there is no third choice.
Maybe it is time to lock this thread !0 -
quote:Originally posted by 45long
The Majority of your last post I agree with completely. As to the first part, I agree that we will agree to disagree and leave it at that.
As I said this subject does this everytime it comes up. Nothing is ever gained. But plenty is lost.
Don't see what the fetish is with what I post nor do I care what others think and believe that they only post contradictorily in order to incite a problem. If you don't like what someone posts and it doesn't address you personally then simply don't respond to it, no one asked you too, nor are you obligated to do so. You have to have some enemies in life and I just include those as enemies along with the federal and british governments and sometimes its just better left at that to be in permanent disagreement with those that you don't like.
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
The proposed question was not to start a fight or incite name calling.
It was originally written to find out "The Peoples" opinion regarding the pivot point that will make "We Americans" finally stand up and give the Government the "Mighty Middle Finger" !
United we stand, divided we fall.
You either believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as they are writen.......or you do not........
..............there is no third choice.
Maybe it is time to lock this thread !
I agree, however at the same time I don't initiate insults inferred or otherwise and such and wont stand idly by while someone else arbitrarily does it to me either. I have witnessed just about everyone on this board at sometime or another get involved in one of these little playground spats and while it is a pointless waste of time to argue with these types, no one appreciates getting dirt kicked in their face.
I also wont let our Constitution or Republic be trashed and put down by liberal mediocre beliefs that believe it is acceptable to interpret the Constitution or let the government do so or be in agreement to compromise or be tolerant of the federal government and their un-constitutional legislation.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
Maybe it is time to lock this thread !
I though about it, almost did, and probably should have already.
I will give it ONE more chance.0 -
Unfortunately, you should lock it as we have already extracted the useful information from the subject and some are just using it to antagonize and argue with those that truly support the Constitution and Republic without interpretation or compromise. 0 -
I truely believe people are cattle. There is no breaking point, because the only people they hurt are the ones that stay quiet,"the working class". The people who are benefiting,"lower to welfare class" have the loudest voices because they always want more than they deserve or are willing to work for. We are paying for illegals to go to school, taxing the rich because "they can afford it", and providing health care and benefits to those who dont work for it. I could go on for another 30-40 pages. I am sick of seeing lazy people get what they want at my expense but it continues and will continue because "PEOPLE ARE CATTLE". 0 -
Pickenup,,I think it should be locked. And while it may incite screams of trampleing the 1st, I would say not to allow this type of thread at all. It ALWAYS devoloves into your a sheeple because your not as strong as I am when it comes to the constitution-vs- your an over the top blow hard that is all talk and no action.
Before you know it, the thread itself is lost and the trash talking and insults start flying. And without doubt, the What if and what would you do, and the breaking point threads always do this. They follow the same path everytime. It's predictable. Someone always gets their feeling hurt. Or someone takes something the wrong way. It's better to just not let it start.
My opinion.0 -
I re-read the entire post and came up w/ these thoughts.
If it IS an organized attempt to incrementally take away rights while at the same time lulling the general public to sleep, then they are succeeding. I do believe , however, that outside forces are going to spoil their plan. They may have started too early. Now there is TOO much info available at a moments notice. The global economy is tanking and we are a huge part of the problem. Since our debt is unsustainable, I believe that befor there is social collapse, there will be economic collapse. If the government Does try to bump up their time line, ie: BEFORE the November Elections, then that may be the kickoff. If they are somehow able to overcome their impatience and take a wait and see attitude, there may be a chance to pro-long the inevitable. A whole lot of variable are in this equation and the folks who are aware are preparing for a worst case scenario. If it doesn't happen-Great, but if it does happen-Great again.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jerecole
I truely believe people are cattle. There is no breaking point, because the only people they hurt are the ones that stay quiet,"the working class". The people who are benefiting,"lower to welfare class" have the loudest voices because they always want more than they deserve or are willing to work for. We are paying for illegals to go to school, taxing the rich because "they can afford it", and providing health care and benefits to those who dont work for it. I could go on for another 30-40 pages. I am sick of seeing lazy people get what they want at my expense but it continues and will continue because "PEOPLE ARE CATTLE".
I agree - but even they will have a breaking point !
Think of the kid that gets bullied at school for years.
Eventually he brings an equilizer to school and gets even !0 -
Apparently liberals always feel the need to attack Constitutionalists and cant leave well enough alone, its not enough that they attempt to undermine the very fabric of our nation and poison it with their liberal heathenism and immoral ways. They just cant resist to play the whiny little girl victim as well when they are exposed for who and what they really are and that they really need to go back into the closet from whence they originated in the first place and quit trying to fake their way into true conservative society since that sort of thing isn't protected by the Constitution and should be exterminated. kalifornia is a perfect example of a people that cared so little for the Constitution that they just gave it up and not once, but time and time again proving that they are in fact LIBERAL, COLLECTIVIST, PROGRESSIVES. They should lose their statehood as should any other state that refuses to fully support the Constitution and the Republic without interpretation and unless it can be proven by Constitutionalists that a kalifornian or other type is actually in fact a Constitutionalist, then they should lose their citizenship period, the ones that are Constitutionalists should "vote with their feet" and get out. They call us derogatory and defamatory names and try and put us down for our beliefs and our convictions, but we stand strong against them and will defeat them. With our swords, spears and shields, we will ultimately crush the life out of the liberals once and for all including any police, government or military that side with them trying to pretend that they are for the Constitution and for the Republic, but in reality they are puppets of the government period that don't protect or serve, there is no if and or but it is a fact, don't be fooled by their liberal bs nonsense and if they want to find out about our resolve and that we will do what we say, there is always one way for them to find out, MOLON LABE! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
and gets even !
Forgetaboutit[:D]0 -
quote:45long
Member
USA
881 Posts
Posted - 04/10/2010 : 3:31:20 PM
Pickenup,,I think it should be locked. And while it may incite screams of trampleing the 1st, I would say not to allow this type of thread at all. It ALWAYS devoloves into your a sheeple because your not as strong as I am when it comes to the constitution-vs- your an over the top blow hard that is all talk and no action.
Before you know it, the thread itself is lost and the trash talking and insults start flying. And without doubt, the What if and what would you do, and the breaking point threads always do this. They follow the same path everytime. It's predictable. Someone always gets their feeling hurt. Or someone takes something the wrong way. It's better to just not let it start.
My opinion.
This kind of of thinking is a point made. If we cant vent or speak what we are feeling without being censored we might as well let them keep leading us to the slaughterhouse.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jerecole
quote:45long
Member
USA
881 Posts
Posted - 04/10/2010 : 3:31:20 PM
Pickenup,,I think it should be locked. And while it may incite screams of trampleing the 1st, I would say not to allow this type of thread at all. It ALWAYS devoloves into your a sheeple because your not as strong as I am when it comes to the constitution-vs- your an over the top blow hard that is all talk and no action.
Before you know it, the thread itself is lost and the trash talking and insults start flying. And without doubt, the What if and what would you do, and the breaking point threads always do this. They follow the same path everytime. It's predictable. Someone always gets their feeling hurt. Or someone takes something the wrong way. It's better to just not let it start.
My opinion.
This kind of of thinking is a point made. If we cant vent or speak what we are feeling without being censored we might as well let them keep leading us to the slaughterhouse.
That is the government's and liberal's goal and mindset which are one in the same, to have control over you, your household and everything that you do and how you think and make you rely on and trust the government (aka beast) including informing on those that don't support the government and their laws and they use the police and military as goon puppets in order to enforce this.
The government and their liberal goon squads do this in order for their manipulation to work and they work hard at manipulating and polluting peoples minds enough to get them to question their own beliefs and spread doubt and fear amongst the sheeple furthering their own cause and drawing the weak minded to them to make them even more powerful, as they(government, military and the police) don't want you to think for yourself.0 -
I thought that Kalifornia did lose it's statehood when it was annexed by Mexico. I think it was like a common law Marriage .. complete with bed and breakfast for it's citizen's. [8D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
Jim
Funny you should mention the flag.....
I have one on the front of my home.
I live in a development full of yuppies and tree huggers !
Needless to say.....I am the only house with a flag like it around.
Sometimes I feel alone in my beliefs........
I guess we will all see what happens because this crap will not be tolerated for long !
NY,
We live in the middle of the Bankhead NF here and the flag pole is on the honey do list. I will have the "Don't tread on me" and the Stars and strips on it. Like I said there is a reason the Rattler was used as opposed to say a copperhead!!![;)]
Hey neighbor. Roll Tide.0
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