What will be the "Breaking Point" ?
It seems inevitable to me for certain now that some kind of governmental breakdown will occur either from self destruction or forceable action.
What do you think will be the turning point that causes the American Public to finally say - "Enough is Enough and we are not going to take it anymore !"
What do you think will be the turning point that causes the American Public to finally say - "Enough is Enough and we are not going to take it anymore !"
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They already have a plan, they may not have thought it all the way through. They are trying to incite a small violent uprising which they will crush. They will then declare marshal law and try to confiscate all firearms to restore order and peace.If this dose not work they will turn off the power,if you are not prepared for this you will be forced to survive.
This is a very dark scenario, one I hope and pray dose not happen.The race is for November, they will try to force as much as they can.The voting system is greatly flawed, and you don't even know if your vote is going to count.
The American people need to stick together,( united we stand,divided we fall )
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Out of the 90 Million gun owners....
....how many do you think will lay down their weapons ?.......85 million
....how many will stand shoulder to shoulder with you ?.......1 to 2 million.0 -
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:What will be the "Breaking Point" ?
Not in our lifetime, unless something catastrophic or grandiose event occurs.
I would rather it be in MY lifetime, as opposed to when I am dead, and my kids/grandkids are left to deal with the mess.
That is where I sit.
IdahoRedneck, nyforester, freemind, Horse Plains Drifter, cccooper, are right on. Good and realistic perspective.
Rockatansky has something to offer that must be pointed out.
The "catastrophic or grandiose event" has happened. 9-11, but the facts have not been shared with the people.
Meaning media is the key. Getting the populations informed rather than manipulated is the beginning.
If we feel we NEED to prevent the catastrophic breakdown of society, we need to join together to take actions that reverse the effects of the boiling frog technique of slowly raising the temperature.
Gun rights are important. All of those with a developed and realistic perspective need to take a close look at a strategy that is a flanking manuever as the topic of a thread I started.
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=434277
Those with the "developed and realistic perspective" I appreciate still describe behaviors. The behavior of government sucks, to say the least. There has been an infiltration and the infiltrators are sneaking up on us. My thread is about us, the people, developing appropriate control over ourselves by respecting the part of our mind which IS 86% of our mental existence, and learning to work with it.
There are a bunch of unreasonable fears that we need to get over. Those fears have been specifically created in us to keep us from controlling ourselves for our purposes. Those puposes need to be shared and logically, media is the place to do it.0 -
You are told only what they want you to hear. While there are many Truths in the world, the real truth is rarely reported to us common folk. Media bias is well known well documented and almost NEVER reported. The government does not want us informed or enlightened in any way. That is why they have controlled the education system for decades. Dumbed down, fat and happy. That is the way to subdue a population. Encourage the apathy, the entitlements, and the takers. Once you have them hooked on Big Government, it is almost impossible to ever wean them off the tit. It will be the guys who have read the history books and understood their relevance to todays plight that will survive. The folks that remember to actively participate in their own survival rather than depend on some government entity, that will thrive. I've been preaching the truth for a while now and have gathered around me a number of like minded individuals that understand and believe in the necessity of taking care of our own. My great grandfather survived WWI, My Grandfather WWII, my uncle survived Korea, my Godfather survived the 'Nam. I survived the 2 firefights that I was a part of and me and mine will survive this. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cccooper
You are told only what they want you to hear. While there are many Truths in the world, the real truth is rarely reported to us common folk. Media bias is well known well documented and almost NEVER reported. The government does not want us informed or enlightened in any way. That is why they have controlled the education system for decades. Dumbed down, fat and happy. That is the way to subdue a population.
That pretty much sums it up. The problem we have today is that we don't have a foreign entity taxing us as was the case 235 years ago. The people back then were able to unite and identify the enemy. It is now perceived that there is no enemy. It's just the hand we've been dealt for this election cycle. Or that election cycle. There's a large group of people who will always feel the govt. has the people's best interest at heart no matter what they do! Media is very powerful.
You factor in that with (as you say), the general disinterest with anything political, the uneducated, confusion, and fear.... I think you can forget about anybody doing anything. They can get a million gays together to march on D.C. but when it comes to freedom, everybody thinks they are free already. "There's nothing to worry about it in that regard."
But, you have a failing system with ever increasing demand for more money to fund whatever new programs they come up with on a whim.
As others have said... when people start going hungry, when they lose all the creature comforts we're used to, when we start turning the other way and turning into a Mexico, when people lose HUGE amounts of life savings to hyper-inflation.... I anticipate things to get real ugly.
I think the writing's on the wall. Whatever it may be that's going to hit the fan..... it could just be outright, unruly anarchy that goes out of control... regardless, I suspect this country is about as safe as it's ever going to be right now. We're going downhill. Whether that leads to positive change for the people is really up in the air, but I'm doubting it.
No matter what, at the least, nobody can argue that our financial outlook for the future is over. It's done. We're long since bankrupt. The consequences coming down the road will have to be catastrophic. Many people live for money. When it's gone, they will lose their minds. Even the rich will lose.
It's a sad state of affairs indeed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JackBwr
quote:Originally posted by cccooper
You are told only what they want you to hear. While there are many Truths in the world, the real truth is rarely reported to us common folk. Media bias is well known well documented and almost NEVER reported. The government does not want us informed or enlightened in any way. That is why they have controlled the education system for decades. Dumbed down, fat and happy. That is the way to subdue a population.
That pretty much sums it up. The problem we have today is that we don't have a foreign entity taxing us as was the case 235 years ago. The people back then were able to unite and identify the enemy. It is now perceived that there is no enemy. It's just the hand we've been dealt for this election cycle. Or that election cycle. There's a large group of people who will always feel the govt. has the people's best interest at heart no matter what they do! Media is very powerful.
You factor in that with (as you say), the general disinterest with anything political, the uneducated, confusion, and fear.... I think you can forget about anybody doing anything. They can get a million gays together to march on D.C. but when it comes to freedom, everybody thinks they are free already.
It's a sad state of affairs indeed.
Media influence is devastating and the exploitation of instinctual structures of thinking and feeling over time have had an immense toll on basic weakness that cccooper defines and the issues JackBwr points out relating to the unity that is promoted by media structures.
We've been made to think that because we choose what we view on the web that it is really our choice. What is not understood is that our ability to choose in ways that actually improves our participation in our own survival or evolution is actually altered.
For your entertainment, there are a few video producers out there that have vision. Unfortunately they are not prime time. The productions could be tho.
Watch, "The Job".
http://www.screamingfrog.com/video/video.html0 -
This subject has come up several times over the years. I read many of the same things as well. Some have talked about how they think it will happen. With riots and murder. The group that was just raided. A "Christian Militia" group that talked about over throwing the Government. I heard today that there are other militant groups calling themselves various names of alledged patriotic sybolism. One is talking about killing police officers then waiting for the funneral services and slaughtering the gathering. Things like that don't do any good fopr anyone and should NEVER be condoned. The trick is being able to see the truth. To tell the difference between the patriots and the murdering nutcases. It's the nutcases that will bring down any legit militias. Everyone will lumped into ONE group. There by turning a lot of the citizenery against any true movement. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 45long
This subject has come up several times over the years. I read many of the same things as well. Some have talked about how they think it will happen. With riots and murder. The group that was just raided. A "Christian Militia" group that talked about over throwing the Government. I heard today that there are other militant groups calling themselves various names of alledged patriotic sybolism. One is talking about killing police officers then waiting for the funneral services and slaughtering the gathering. Things like that don't do any good fopr anyone and should NEVER be condoned. The trick is being able to see the truth. To tell the difference between the patriots and the murdering nutcases. It's the nutcases that will bring down any legit militias. Everyone will lumped into ONE group. There by turning a lot of the citizenery against any true movement.
Can you provide a link for this information...................doubt it.
EDIT..... but if you do Ill be the first to admit (whatever), however when the nut cases, as you put it....... start rising, something may start happening...............And rest assured folks will SEE...... and KNOW....... what is going on.
It all boils down to the Constitution, PERIOD.
The way it is now, an American is a nutcase.
We will show you where the bear shiatts in the woods[}:)][;)]0 -
So you would condone the murder innocent people if that's what it took? Because this is what a perticular group is talking about. Hopefully they are just talk. Excuse me if I read your post wrong. 0 -
quote:So you would condone the murder innocent people if that's what it took?
So tell me, .45 ; Do you condone the murder of a woman holding a baby, her 13 year old son....
How about somewhere around 100 men, women and children...gassed and burned to death in their home ?
I just want to see if there is a level playing fields, here...0 -
The militants would engage a government recognized and supported authority figure(so hence police, federal agents, military etc, if you work for any government and don't support the Constitution completely and without interpretation then you are a viable target, period) that is potentially superior to them in number and supplies and would use guerrilla tactics in order to fight them. I guess its murder if anti-government militants do that and they are labeled as psychos for doing so, pfft; however the puppet military and police of this current regime can do as they please and lie etc even to the point of being cannibalistic and destroy their own to save themselves without regard and get away with it, that is what is crazy. 0 -
So Highball, You think one justfies the other? I was as pissed about Ruby Ridge as anyone. Same with Waco. But I don't think that allows me or you the right to go out and commit murder on people who have nothing to do with the problem.
And Wolfy, Just because some works for the Government doesn't mean they are in lock step with their overall plan. Or agree with everything that comes down from them. And it sure as hell doesn't justify murdering someone just because of who they work for or the fact that they wear a badge. If that is what you believe then you are no better than that islamic scum that murdered innocent people at Ft. Hood.
The End doesn't not justfy the means.0 -
Obviously you cant comprehend what you read and I believe that the moderators have made it clear enough that if you cant post without slandering someones name then don't post.
And before you make your little attempt at trying to insult others by calling names like a juvenile and without even knowing thing one about them you need to check your fire and consider what they think of you; as you seem to support the pro liberal gun-control crowd and have made that quite evident with your posts.
However I have always suspected that these pro liberal gun-control clowns that come here to cause trouble with their anti-constitutional nonsense are probably the same individuals that have simply setup multiple accounts to appear to give further support of their silly cause seeing that they are unable to do it themselves.0 -
OK then. Werewolf. (happy?) Obviously you don't heed your own standard. You don't know me anymore than I know you. I am far from a pro-liberal gun controler. And you you did nothing to answer my post. Your reply had NOTHING to do with what I said. Instead you decided to show me that you have NO sense of humor regarding your forum name. Sad for you. And then accuse me of being pro gun control. In no way did I slander anything or anyone. Perhaps thats why the post was allowed.
As for what I did post, again, you failed to reply on it. Which tells me that either I was right in my assumptions or you are just another keyboard warrior that got caught blowing wind. Having said that, I will give you another chance to reply to what I said in my previous post. Point blank question do you support the murder of law enforcement,military personnel, or any others that do not believe as you do regarding the constitution?0 -
Maybe you need a speak and spell, try again, the name corresponds with my name if you happened to look at my profile, now how about that.
No, it is you that doesn't heed anything except for your own ego and I don't know about you not having liberal views you might want to re-read some of your own posts.
OMG a "keyboard warrior" you can do better than that, from "islamic scum" to "keyboard warrior", geez, so I suppose that you think christians are scum too then or do you just discriminate against islamic people. What do you care what I believe anyway, like I said you don't know me or anything about me, if you had read the post then you wouldn't be asking ridiculous questions, so be gone with you and stop wasting my time.
Hmm, why would someone ask questions like that in the first place and here, seems kind of suspicious...0 -
The militants would engage a government recognized and supported authority figure(so hence police, federal agents, military etc, if you work for any government and don't support the Constitution completely and without interpretation then you are a viable target, period)
Your words not mine. I was simply trying to clarify your statement. I appologize for making the question to difficult or personel. I do agree on one point. Trying to get you to admit your "militant" mindset is a waste of time. Or maybe your just concearned about who might be reading your posts. I sure wouldn't want you to reveal to much. *L*
For the record. I discriminate against ANYONE who murders innocent people. Regardless of who they are or where they are from. Thats why I don't regard any "Militia" groups as legit. The ones I am familiar with are full of white Supremists Racists who fund their little bands of inbreds with illegal activities such as drug running, stolen arms, and violent crime. They call themselves Militia but are anything but.0 -
Actually, I merely wanted to see just how much of a hypocrite you were, .45.
Most people that serve in any function in the government would be outraged at at the talk about 'shooting cops'...and delighted at the deaths in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
About the people currently charged;
If they were intending to attack police officers at random, with the intent to kill...they should be in prison.
The problem as I see it...AS MENTIONED...I trust NOTHING emitted from the lips of federal agents.
As for the government people that will, down the line, ignore the Constitution to enforce the unconstitutional laws that will be passed...they will receive the justice they so richly deserve.0 -
Highball:
Nothing hypocritical about me. Just because I am a LEO doesn't mean I condone everything other agencies do. Ticks me off just everyone else. Cops are just people with a job to do. They screw up just like everyone else too. But most cops are firm believers in the constitution and the 2nd especially. They have no problem with an armed citizenry. The guys I work with are perfect examples. I work for the Federal Gov. That doesn't mean I agree with what they do though. Most people don't understand that there is a BIG disconnect between Washington and the guys on the line. Some think that our military will just go along with whatever they are told. That's not true. I think that when it does hoit the fan your going to see alot of military people walk when it comes to taking action against fellow Americans. And I am talking about a total uprising after "Whatever" promted the rebellion. Not a natural disaster National Guard thing. There are lines they will not cross.
I think the guys responsible for Ruby Ridge should have been sent to prison for a very long long time. I think Waco was disaster. The original charges and warrents had NOTHING to with weapons and could have been handled without anyone getting hurt. Those responsible should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But we all knew that wasn't going to happen. I also think that the terrorist from Ft Hood should be shot. And soon. Those responsiable for allowing him to remain in the military should be brought up on charges as well. They are just responsable for what happened as he was. But in the interest of Political Correctness This Islamic Scum was fast tracked through and allowed to stay. Most people who work for the Government are not the enemy. They are just like anyone else. They just want to make a living. Feed their families. When it finally hits the fan, they will be the first to walk. I know I won't stay. And neither will the people I work with. Not when it really hits. Our loyalty is with the Country and our constitution, not the guy calling the shots. I have no compassion for cop killers or those who advocate killing cops. And some of the stuff I have read there are groups that are advocating that. From the Hells Angles to some wacked out so Militia group of one kind or another. They are all scum as far as I am concerned. And not deserving of any mercy.
Noting hypocritical here.0 -
Sounds right good, there, .45.
Just curious, tho...let us say that the shtf for real.
Where does you hatred for all 'militias' stop when small groups all across this country are fighting for freedom ?
Since they are 'all' skinheads, racists, and assorted scum ?0 -
quote:Originally posted by 45long
The militants would engage a government recognized and supported authority figure(so hence police, federal agents, military etc, if you work for any government and don't support the Constitution completely and without interpretation then you are a viable target, period)
Your words not mine. I was simply trying to clarify your statement. I appologize for making the question to difficult or personel. I do agree on one point. Trying to get you to admit your "militant" mindset is a waste of time. Or maybe your just concearned about who might be reading your posts. I sure wouldn't want you to reveal to much. *L*
For the record. I discriminate against ANYONE who murders innocent people. Regardless of who they are or where they are from. Thats why I don't regard any "Militia" groups as legit. The ones I am familiar with are full of white Supremists Racists who fund their little bands of inbreds with illegal activities such as drug running, stolen arms, and violent crime. They call themselves Militia but are anything but.
Whats there to clarify, are you the forum police now or something guess everyone is supposed to check with you before posting, cant get enough unconstitutional activity in your own state, your nothing more than a windup and a cur.
I don't condone murder nor would I and anyone that would infer that from me is stupid and has no comprehension skills whatsoever as I merely state the facts that have occurred because of the environment that they have created nothing more nothing less, pretty plain and simple really even for inept liberals to understand. What is done is done and is brought upon themselves and there is nothing that I can do about that nor will I help them if they need it and my background is military, police and corrections, but my loyalty is to the Constitution and the Republic no matter what you or other progressive collectivists think.
I don't care who reads what, nor do I care if anyone onboard here likes me or not and makes no difference to me as I have been here longer than most anyway and have made my beliefs clear enough, however bring it on, I prefer a straight fight to this sneaking around!
And your little symbol there is another little juvenile attempt at being insulting, save it for kalifornia as it just makes you look stupid here.
Why tell me about hating the white supremists as that has nothing to do with this nor do I have anything to do with white supremists, go tell them not me.
These forums seem like a real waste of time with this mickey mouse nonsense of which I was warned but thought it good to give it a chance and several years later its still the same old bs; I remember initially really looking forward to meeting those of a like mindedness concerning the Constitution and the Republic and such, but these places are chocked full of alot of wanabe nonsense bickering bs, but maybe that was the intention all along and if that is what is going against the government, divided, infighting, bickering etc then we are all doomed, thats whats too bad.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 45long
So you would condone the murder innocent people if that's what it took? Because this is what a perticular group is talking about. Hopefully they are just talk. Excuse me if I read your post wrong.
Sorry for my absence and I would say to you that......No I do not condone Murder period..........Haven't heard of the group your talking bout, but I am not doubting it (Still waiting for that link) There are Nutcases out there, I just interpreted your thought, as the "Nut cases" are the people opposed to this administration.0 -
Highball,, I think that when that day comes the skinhead militias will be eliminated by the real militias that will undoubtedly form in response to the situation. They will be treated for what they are. Criminals. They may break up into small bands of looters trying to survive. But they will never be accepted by the true fighter for the common good. There will always be evil in many forms. Whether it's from a Governmental tyranical source or your averge murdering thug. And evil will eventually be delt with. 0 -
Redneck,, Sorry. No link available. I got the info through a different source. That is not to say that there isn't one out there somewhere. I just don't of it. And no I didn't mean those who against this administration. I thnk you would have to be a nut case if you weren't against this administration. *L* I was referring to the fringe ,highly militent groups that preach anarchy through bombings and murder of those with a different view and call it patriotism. 0 -
Werwolf,, Perhaps I misunderstood your meaning. For that I apologize. I see so many what I call keyboard comandoes it is hard to tell who is who. Truth is, unless a person has been under fire they have no clue how they will react when the time comes. All the big talk will not change that. There are some in these forums that I am more concerned about than the enemy they rail against. The post regarding the account from down under. There is a lot to be learned there if one reads it and understands. How many would sacrifice their families for their believes? Not many I would say. Or jeperdize their safty for their own beliefs? Again Not many. I am sure the Aussies had the very same chats that have accured here. the result was,(I'm sure) somewhat different than what was discussed. No one knows what will happen should the same happen here. Anyone that says they know is only filling themselves up. For instance. Would someone put up a big fight with the government "raiders",(for lack of a better name), guns blazing if their family or grand children were present when they came knocking at the door? Or would they give in for the lives of their young ones? I am guessing most thinking, loving fathers and grandfathers would give in rather than risk those innocent lives. Am I wrong? 0 -
If, for some reason MY house is the FIRST they come to for confiscation, then NO, I guess I would be caught by surprise and have to give up what ever is at my house. However....I do not believe that my house will be the first and I believe that there WILL be some type of advance warning of what is coming. We've prepared for "worst case scenarios" and have some SOPs for that happening. 0 -
quote:Or would they give in for the lives of their young ones? I am guessing most thinking, loving fathers and grandfathers would give in rather than risk those innocent lives. Am I wrong?
So happy that the Founders..complete with wives, children and I am sure they loved them...didn't take this advice.
At some point in time...a loving father,grandfather, etc...MUST decide that pushing back is better then submitting.
And..in the final analysis...if they do NOT..then they deserve the killing fields and slit trenches that the government surely WILL bring to them.
Then they get to watch their wives and children raped and murdered in front of them.
The rest of the world is used to that sort of behaviour from their governments. It remains to be seen if there is no manhood left here in America.0 -
NYF,
Hunger takes many different forms! As the Rattlesnake on the 'Don't Tread on Me' says. The fact the rattler was used is very obvious to many of us. It sounds a warning before it strikes! We are in the warning phase now! There are millions of people who have had 'enough'. It the "government' does not take notice they will eventually feel the 'strike'. The question is what form will this strike take???0 -
A "strike" being in the form of those that will oppose ANY form of oppression or control and by then refusing to cooperate in being apprehended by ANY government or its puppet law enforcement or military so called authority which will turn into a standoff quickly and lead to bloodshed, as not everyone will give up peaceably.
Those that think otherwise are sadly mistaken because there are many that will fight to the death if necessary no matter what, period and why others don't believe this and want to take the stance that "everyone will give up and surrender" is utter nonsense and defeatist.
Not everyone believes the mindless, liberal, collectivist and progressive interpretation of the Constitution and not everyone will cooperate with and trust the anti-constitutional government or its puppet law enforcement or military so called authority. The only way that anyone will ever really know who is devoted to the Constitution and Republic and who is not will be to wait and see, as they will manifest themselves at the moment of truth and then all will know who the Patriots are and who the "jackayap wannabes" are(which are more than likely your government informant traitors).0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:Or would they give in for the lives of their young ones? I am guessing most thinking, loving fathers and grandfathers would give in rather than risk those innocent lives. Am I wrong?
So happy that the Founders..complete with wives, children and I am sure they loved them...didn't take this advice.
At some point in time...a loving father,grandfather, etc...MUST decide that pushing back is better then submitting.
And..in the final analysis...if they do NOT..then they deserve the killing fields and slit trenches that the government surely WILL bring to them.
Then they get to watch their wives and children raped and murdered in front of them.
The rest of the world is used to that sort of behaviour from their governments. It remains to be seen if there is no manhood left here in America.
Hear Hear!0 -
Jim
Funny you should mention the flag.....
I have one on the front of my home.
I live in a development full of yuppies and tree huggers !
Needless to say.....I am the only house with a flag like it around.
Sometimes I feel alone in my beliefs........
I guess we will all see what happens because this crap will not be tolerated for long !0
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