What will be the "Breaking Point" ?
It seems inevitable to me for certain now that some kind of governmental breakdown will occur either from self destruction or forceable action.
What do you think will be the turning point that causes the American Public to finally say - "Enough is Enough and we are not going to take it anymore !"
What do you think will be the turning point that causes the American Public to finally say - "Enough is Enough and we are not going to take it anymore !"
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When people get hungry. [V] 0 -
I don't know Forester, I really don't know. Like Freemind says, they ain't hungry yet. Plus they still have their Superbowls, Lattes, SUVs and their brats still have soccer, T-ball, and video games and all that other crap that is "america".
But when that too big house has been repoed, and they're pushing a wheelbarrow down the road 'cause that Esclade is gone too, maybe they will start waking up.0 -
Whatever the breakpoint is it is getting closer. My own kids(who are 20 something adults) have been starting to bristle about the "wrongness" of our govt. This is something I have been trying to educate them on for about 10 yrs and appears to be sinking in now that it is starting to directly affect them. 0 -
Tough question.
The only thing I truly believe is that the Majority of the american public will not do a damned thing till the 3% have had enough..................When some sort of major "STAND" happens somewhere, for any number of reasons.
Then and only then will the Public be forced to decide how they feel about what we all know is coming.
At that time and only then, will the rest of the Public wake and choose a side.
Till then its "WE" the the sheeple. [}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by IdahoRedneck
Tough question.
The only thing I truly believe is that the Majority of the american public will not do a damned thing till the 3% have had enough..................When some sort of major "STAND" happens somewhere, for any number of reasons.
Then and only then will the Public be forced to decide how they feel about what we all know is coming.
At that time and only then, will the rest of the Public wake and choose a side.
Till then its "WE" the the sheeple. [}:)]
3% is 9 Million people. Are you telling me we need that many to take back America ?
Where did that number come from?
I feel it could be done with far less.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
What do you think will be the turning point that causes the American Public to finally say - "Enough is Enough and we are not going to take it anymore !"
Cancellation of the Super Bowl0 -
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
quote:Originally posted by IdahoRedneck
Tough question.
The only thing I truly believe is that the Majority of the american public will not do a damned thing till the 3% have had enough..................When some sort of major "STAND" happens somewhere, for any number of reasons.
Then and only then will the Public be forced to decide how they feel about what we all know is coming.
At that time and only then, will the rest of the Public wake and choose a side.
Till then its "WE" the the sheeple. [}:)]
3% is 9 Million people. Are you telling me we need that many to take back America ?
Where did that number come from?
I feel it could be done with far less.
No........[}:)]
Im telling you that, (I am of the opinion) that no one will do a damned thing till something MAJOR happens, (As in BIG, Tea parties dont cut it) some where and people rise up ans say this is Bullsihaatt and actually FIGHT back.............
Look bud, I know we could do it with just the 3%
(3% is the people who actually have the balls to stand and fight according to history.)
I know military will split and (believe) 3/4 will side with the constitution.
quote:3% is 9 Million people. Are you telling me we need that many to take back America ?
Where did that number come from?
I feel it could be done with far less.
That is the number of people who actually have balls and will do what it takes when the time comes, (I interpreted your OP to mean "What will be the Breaking point")
The breaking point will be When some of the 3% of Americans actually take a STAND and the Sheeple are forced to choose a side. Not till a major Stand against (everything) happens will anybody do a Damned thing and It pizzes me off too but that is how I see it.0 -
quote:3% is 9 Million people. Are you telling me we need that many to take back America ?
Where did that number come from?
3 % is the number that fought in the American Revolution.
9 million is rather rosy. There are 30 million barbarians in this country...and they are not our friends.
Besides the point, however...those 3% are law-abiding, decent citizens..the best of the best. They will NOT fight...until they are pushed ..and pushed HARD. Every man of us understands that this country is the top of the heap...and NONE wish to damage it by the fighting that will be inevitable.
There will be no action until our backs are to the wall. They will need to knock us down again and again...sad to say. Only by doing so will we get enough 3 percenters headed in the same direction at the same time.
Lacking a National leader..suicide for him...we must wait till there IS no other recourse.
I hate it...but believe this to be true.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Highball
quote:3% is 9 Million people. Are you telling me we need that many to take back America ?
Where did that number come from?
3 % is the number that fought in the American Revolution.
9 million is rather rosy. There are 30 million barbarians in this country...and they are not our friends.
Besides the point, however...those 3% are law-abiding, decent citizens..the best of the best. They will NOT fight...until they are pushed ..and pushed HARD. Every man of us understands that this country is the top of the heap...and NONE wish to damage it by the fighting that will be inevitable.
There will be no action until our backs are to the wall. They will need to knock us down again and again...sad to say. Only by doing so will we get enough 3 percenters headed in the same direction at the same time.
Lacking a National leader..suicide for him...we must wait till there IS no other recourse.
I hate it...but believe this to be true.
So clarrify this for me because I do not understand fully......
If 3% is what we need.....then how many actual warm bodies is that ?0 -
My guess...just that, you understand..is that we have a pool to draw from in the 80 to 100 million people.
Three million people..and there is little chance they will all fall out 'monday'.
Plenty enough..IF they could be forged into an effective force.
Not possible. That would require organization, leaders, training. Not going to get that.
The elites would...have..crushed just such activities..and hounded the leaders into jail or oblivion.
This will be a dis-jointed, far-flung isolated incident sort of thing..at least in the beginning.
EVERY attept will be made by those in authority to squash these incidents..and the leaks will be classified as tax-protesters, child molestors, drug gangs...the sort of ugly stuff decent people instintively shy away from.
The only chance, hope we have... a HUGE grab at power by the elites...gun bans, 80 percent taxation..something on that order...to turn EVERYBODY loose at once.0 -
quote:What will be the "Breaking Point" ?
Not in our lifetime, unless something catastrophic or grandiose event occurs.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:What will be the "Breaking Point" ?
Not in our lifetime, unless something catastrophic or grandiose event occurs.
I would rather it be in MY lifetime, as opposed to when I am dead, and my kids/grandkids are left to deal with the mess.0 -
quote:Originally posted by freemind
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
quote:What will be the "Breaking Point" ?
Not in our lifetime, unless something catastrophic or grandiose event occurs.
I would rather it be in MY lifetime, as opposed to when I am dead, and my kids/grandkids are left to deal with the mess.
As would I, but chances are slim to none, though, who knows, it's all a speculation.0 -
I agree..........
All of the Patriots knew exactly where to go and what to do last time.
This is where I see a major problem when trying to organize today.
In addition - most people don't want to sacrifice their NASCAR, central A/C and weekend BBQ's on the lake.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nyforester
I agree..........
All of the Patriots knew exactly where to go and what to do last time.
This is where I see a major problem when trying to organize today.
In addition - most people don't want to sacrifice their NASCAR, central A/C and weekend BBQ's on the lake.
Yeah Most people dont, thats why its gonna take something BIG. Most people in this counry do enjoy being free, Somebody comes in and tells ya what do do on a scale that matters,to the sheeple, SWHTF.
But its going to take something big that "matters" to everyone.
This shiat they just passed is HUGE but it dont matter too enough people. Lots of people are getting health care, lots of other people are paying for it, till we go beyond that point.......and the beast does something that affects everyone equally, we are still playing Games.........[}:)]
The fact of the Matter "in my opinion" is that, When People have to start living differently, and cant enjoy the freedoms that are indisputable as the founding fathers laid out, you may see an uprising.
I know we dont enjoy the Freedoms now that are indisputable in the constitution but for there to be a breaking point its got to be HUGE...... and affect every body equally. Till then............................"WHATEVER"........ will be the general attitude[xx(]0 -
Gentlemen,
I look with great sorrow upon what our nation has become and wonder as do you, what would the founders say if they saw what a mess we were in today. I trust that many of you have seen the tea party movement mutate into an alternative arena for conservative and independent politicians to use in order to rekindle conservative values, but, moreover, boost their own political careers into the limelight. Sarah Palin comes to mind. I cannot say for sure what good will come of her "joining" the ranks.
The political posturing that is going on with the states filing lawsuits against the constitutionality of the health care bill have the most legitimate case. I believe that the 10th Amendment argument that was instituted with the firearms laws will only carry weight until the Feds pull out the supremacy clause of the Constitution and have the Supreme Court read it aloud before the country. The kind of unification and leadership that gets the ball rolling seems to want their moment in the sun. We 3% want things to be done right for a change basing our government on laws, not on the political influence that goes with the men and women who make the laws.
So, when is the breaking point? Maybe the people get taxed too much and enough things are given to illegals. Then those few state leaders who have already shown frustration with the federal government will create a new confederation of states. We all know how the last turned out, but it could be a catalyst to get others on board. IF the revolution seems to develop internally rather than through regional rivalry it may not be as bloody as we all expect.
Do I have a clue what will happen? NOT at all, I just like to rant.
Best Regards!0 -
It is coming soon. Very soon indeed.
Since 2008, the amount of paper money has increased from 870 billion dollars to 2 TRILLION dollars. Actual money supply (bank accounts, etc) has went from 11 trillion to over 22 trillion. The deficit for this year, is repeatedly stated as being 1.7 trillion dollars. Think about that. The Fedgov is spending $1,700,000,000,000 more than they are taking in this year. Next year's deficit is expected to be even higher. Take that massive number, and divide it by 31,536,000, the number of seconds in a year. That comes out to 53,906.64. That means that the national debt, on average, will increase by just shy of 54 THOUSAND Dollars for EVERY SECOND in 2010.
This deficit is being made up by selling (and paying interest) on bonds, and printing money. As the money supply grows, it loses value. There hasn't been much of an inflationary effect... yet. The money supply has more than doubled, and once that new money starts getting spent we will be looking at MASSIVE inflation. What kind of wake up call will it be if/when prices more than DOUBLE in a short period of time, with no end is sight? Take a look at the figures (somewhat inaccurate, but you get the picture.)
http://usdebtclock.org/
Ron Paul's article on this (from some time back.)
http://tinyurl.com/6fhst8
Two vital quotes:
1) One key attribute that gives money value is scarcity. If something that is used as money becomes too plentiful, it loses value. That is how inflation and hyperinflation happens.
2) Our fiat currency system is crumbling and coming to an end, as all fiat currencies eventually do.
Also, this economy is based entirely around cheap oil. We hit peak oil production around 2002. Oil was/is being produced now faster than ever, and production will soon start to slow. China and India are now consuming more oil than ever, potentially doubling demand. As oil is being produced faster than ever, it is also the cheapest ever when inflation is accounted for. A pre-1965 silver quarter still has more than enough intrinsic value to buy a gallon of gas. You have the potential for high inflation on top of a shrinking oil supply. What happens when oil hits $8 a gallon? When all of the merchandise you buy has this high shipping cost added on top of the inflation for the product? It is NOT going to be pretty. It will happen sooner than a lot of us think.
My gas station is currently advertised as $2.79 per gallon. 100% inflation would put the price at $5.58. And dwindling supply would put it higher.
Edited ONLY to shorten link. [;)]0 -
Possibly when the welfare checks all bounce? 0 -
NEVER HAPPEN, as long as the GRID remains, the people will sleep warm and have TV. 0 -
Little different then when England a far off land was extorting from remote. Now that its within it will take a catastrophic event to cause a action. 0 -
Well hopefully there will not be a need for that.. there is alot more of us then there is political cronies, the problem is people havent really began to understand the tactics involved, which is key to stopping it cold. our government is truely a frail thing without the support and apathy of the people, the problem lies in the fact that people are uninformed and too lazy and afraid and preoccupied to simply demand freedom.
If a majority dedicated themselves to attaining freedom, there would be no blood shed, it would simply happen over a period of years, if they kept their resolve and did what is needed and what is right.0 -
quote:Originally posted by melkor
NEVER HAPPEN, as long as the GRID remains, the people will sleep warm and have TV.
melkor is right, wow cant believe i said that, we gotta kill the power grid so we can get this started and finished.0 -
IMHO Its already started with States defying the federal government, mass rallies, threatening letters and phone calls to government officials, vandalism and bombings of government offices, a plane flying into an irs office, standoffs with federal authorities etc, it will only escalate into a similar incident like Medina, Ruby Ridge, Waco or something similar to that and will captivate the country and then all hell will brake loose between these individuals and the federal government.
With high unemployment, bankruptcies, foreclosures, a poor economy with rising costs of food, gas and the like it will probably start out with rioting and then after citizens start getting arrested, brutalized and killed then government officials and police officers will start getting shot, acts of sabotage will occur against government buildings and police stations with wide spread looting and firebombings everywhere.
While crude at first these citizen turned militants will arm themselves heavily, adapt to their environment, join together and improve their skills and techniques and then the government will call in the military and then the whole thing will escalate out of control on a nationwide scale potentially starting a second Civil War...0 -
WELL SAID MAN, WELL SAID, ITS CERTIANLY UNDER WAY. 0 -
And when the government or other so called authority beckons orders to relinquish our armaments, promising that we will be treated well and taken care of, like what was done for the Confederates by federal troops in the story The Outlaw Josey Wales; we can reply, "MOLON LABE!" 0 -
Our system now is fragile. We are dependent on an almost daily delivery system of truck, air, rail, and ship. Any one of these go down and its game over. 0 -
Most people are still sleeping.
The massive job loss that will occur when Caterpillar, Deere, and some other large manufacturing companies move operations overseas will create the "boil over" effect needed to wake the masses !
Until then.....get prepared if you are not already.0 -
You're never prepared enough or as much as you'd like to be, but once you feel that you may have an efficient amount for yourself and family, one should also consider having arms and supplies for other Constitutionalist Patriots if finances and such permit.
The tighter the so called authorities close their fist the more militants will slip through their fingers, they cant stop us all and should know that and with approximately 90 million gun owners and at 3% potential militant strength that should terrify the hell out of any stupid bureaucrats not to mention their goons, so if they want war then bring it.
At Thermopylae, 1,000,000 Persians lost 20,000 yet failed to disarm just 300 Spartans. There are approximately 90,000,000 lawful American gun owners of which 3% would resist even harder, That we promise, MOLON LABE!0 -
Out of the 90 Million gun owners....
....how many do you think will lay down their weapons ?
....how many will stand shoulder to shoulder with you ?0 -
Probably a majority, where as 3% +/- of a much smaller variable will not and will rise against the beast, however that is my opinion even though I believe that far too few have a true conviction to stand up for their Constitutional Rights and fight and possibly die for doing so. I just don't feel that the majority is willing to sacrifice what little that they think that they actually don't have under this corrupt and unconstitutional government, but maybe someday soon they will realize that and join us if hopefully its not already too late. 0
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