In case you NRA members didn't know
This survey by Frank Lutz indicates that you want to close the gun show loophole. It clearly states that you want to infringe upon the 2nd Amendment. It clearly shows that 85% of NRA member do not support the RKBA.
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/luntz_poll_slides.pdf
If you go to the http://www.closetheloophole.org/
website....it will let you NRA members know what you condone and desire.
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/downloads/pdf/luntz_poll_slides.pdf
If you go to the http://www.closetheloophole.org/
website....it will let you NRA members know what you condone and desire.
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quote:Originally posted by Rocky Raab
What the Brady Bunch loves, lt496, is to be able to say "Even X% of gun owners agree that the NRA is wrong about the Second Amendment!"
That is exactly what they say. They do NOT mean that the NRA isn't protecting it enough, but the opposite. You are leaping headfirst into their propanganda mixmaster. And they love you for it.
Good on them, then. I could give a rats-arse what the anti-gun/anti-liberty crowd claims or believes.
All I need to know is that they exist as an absolute enemy of the things that this nation was founded upon and the represent a clear-enemy of fundamental liberty and present a voice of statism/collectivism that is destroying us.
It is utterly meaningless in the cause of liberty and limiting government whether any anti-gun or 'Brady-people' believe or say this...utterly.
Such collectivist-gerbils ALWAYS mutter and claim all kinds of things that are meaningless.
What IS of importance, is in keeping focus on the real issue, that being, that we continue to allow our government to erode and at times, outright abrogate, fundamental liberties, even those enumerated in the BOR.
Factually, most NRA members are either stupid, ignorant or willful and useful idiots in their positions and support. The NRA exists to erode the fundamental RKBA and to replace it with their belief in the government-granted 'privilege' of 'gun-ownership', which is to be monitored, controlled, regulated and overseen by government.
Indisputable fact.
I will remain focused and yes, even'rabid', in trying to drag the NRA-drones to having to face their own beliefs and the beliefs and goals of their vaunted NRA.
That is all.0 -
quote:Originally posted by legear
I get sick of this topic. It comes up every few days and goes nowhere and changes no minds.
I wish it was treated like religious topics
I bet you do.
NRA member or supporter, are you? Or do you merely believe that some 'common-sense' gun-control is okay?0 -
One can just as validly say that those who help the forces who pass unConstitutional laws are the useful idiots. Anti-NRA types might be unwilling helpers of the Brady Bunch, but you certainly do help them.
Those laws you hate? They're more than a little your fault.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by legear
I get sick of this topic. It comes up every few days and goes nowhere and changes no minds.
I wish it was treated like religious topics
I bet you do.
NRA member or supporter, are you? Or do you merely believe that some 'common-sense' gun-control is okay?
My post has nothing to do with me being in the NRA or not, Im saying this topics comes up every few days with the same trolls showing how they hate NRA.
This NRA hate looks like the occupy tards that just want something to be anal about.
We get it! You dont like them.
Go start your own group.0 -
So apparently lt believes anti gunners. Like I said, I'm not sure who the bigger idiot is.
I could post something saying that I took a poll and 85% of gunbroker forum members believe me. I could even show the poll if I wanted to. Doesn't mean that it's accurate or true.
Personally, I don't participate in any polls. I'm sure that many that do, participate many times as well. And (this is going to be a shocker lt) they probably don't all tell the truth. There could be gun hating PETA lovers participating in the poll that claim to be NRA members just to boost the numbers.
Remember, this is the internet; nobody tells the truth.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
I love the NRA,......due to them, once again I am being threatened with non-renewal of my membership to the range I have belonged to for years.
Went through this before, and the current Treasurer took care of it.
He is gone now, and the new one insists on 100% membership of the primary members. Before they accepted GOA, but not this guy.
Still going around with them, but regardless of what happens I will NOT join the NRA again. The bummer is I will not be able to shoot anywhere near as much as I have in the past.[xx(]
Sorry for going off topic.
I agree what they are doing to you is wrong, BUT it is a private club is it not???
They have the right to set the qualifications to join/belong do they not? Do you believe in their right to do so?[?]0 -
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
So apparently lt believes anti gunners. Like I said, I'm not sure who the bigger idiot is.
I could post something saying that I took a poll and 85% of gunbroker forum members believe me. I could even show the poll if I wanted to. Doesn't mean that it's accurate or true.
Personally, I don't participate in any polls. I'm sure that many that do, participate many times as well. And (this is going to be a shocker lt) they probably don't all tell the truth. There could be gun hating PETA lovers participating in the poll that claim to be NRA members just to boost the numbers.
Remember, this is the internet; nobody tells the truth.
Wrong, you just did tell the truth. I guess that proves you wrong! Well it can't do that or you did not tell the truth! [;)][}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
So apparently lt believes anti gunners. Like I said, I'm not sure who the bigger idiot is.
I could post something saying that I took a poll and 85% of gunbroker forum members believe me. I could even show the poll if I wanted to. Doesn't mean that it's accurate or true.
Personally, I don't participate in any polls. I'm sure that many that do, participate many times as well. And (this is going to be a shocker lt) they probably don't all tell the truth. There could be gun hating PETA lovers participating in the poll that claim to be NRA members just to boost the numbers.
Remember, this is the internet; nobody tells the truth.
I simply know for a flat-fact that many, if not most, NRA members support various forms of Anti-Amendment II gun-control/infringement...just like you, for example.
Tough pill to swallow, it seems.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
So apparently lt believes anti gunners. Like I said, I'm not sure who the bigger idiot is.
I could post something saying that I took a poll and 85% of gunbroker forum members believe me. I could even show the poll if I wanted to. Doesn't mean that it's accurate or true.
Personally, I don't participate in any polls. I'm sure that many that do, participate many times as well. And (this is going to be a shocker lt) they probably don't all tell the truth. There could be gun hating PETA lovers participating in the poll that claim to be NRA members just to boost the numbers.
Remember, this is the internet; nobody tells the truth.
I simply know for a flat-fact that many, if not most, NRA members support various forms of Anti-Amendment II gun-control/infringement...just like you, for example.
Tough pill to swallow, it seems.
And there are a lot more NON NRA members that believe in gun control. The fact still remains that you believe what the anti gunner is telling you about who supports him.
And just so you can be even more pissed off and think I'm solely responsible for the destruction of the nation, I believe that some reasonable gun control laws are necessary until we get our justice system fixed.
Go ahead. Get your flame on. If you keep bringing this up, you may accidentally stumble on an intelligent point. But I won't hold my breath for that day.0 -
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
So apparently lt believes anti gunners. Like I said, I'm not sure who the bigger idiot is.
I could post something saying that I took a poll and 85% of gunbroker forum members believe me. I could even show the poll if I wanted to. Doesn't mean that it's accurate or true.
Personally, I don't participate in any polls. I'm sure that many that do, participate many times as well. And (this is going to be a shocker lt) they probably don't all tell the truth. There could be gun hating PETA lovers participating in the poll that claim to be NRA members just to boost the numbers.
Remember, this is the internet; nobody tells the truth.
I simply know for a flat-fact that many, if not most, NRA members support various forms of Anti-Amendment II gun-control/infringement...just like you, for example.
Tough pill to swallow, it seems.
And there are a lot more NON NRA members that believe in gun control. The fact still remains that you believe what the anti gunner is telling you about who supports him.
And just so you can be even more pissed off and think I'm solely responsible for the destruction of the nation, I believe that some reasonable gun control laws are necessary until we get our justice system fixed.
Go ahead. Get your flame on. If you keep bringing this up, you may accidentally stumble on an intelligent point. But I won't hold my breath for that day.
Charles Schumer feels the same way. It is the mindset that will cost us our republic.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
I love the NRA,......due to them, once again I am being threatened with non-renewal of my membership to the range I have belonged to for years.
Went through this before, and the current Treasurer took care of it.
He is gone now, and the new one insists on 100% membership of the primary members. Before they accepted GOA, but not this guy.
Still going around with them, but regardless of what happens I will NOT join the NRA again. The bummer is I will not be able to shoot anywhere near as much as I have in the past.[xx(]
Sorry for going off topic.
I agree what they are doing to you is wrong, BUT it is a private club is it not???
They have the right to set the qualifications to join/belong do they not? Do you believe in their right to do so?[?]
Sure I do,.......as you said it's a private club.
I just find it odd that they would change back and forth, especially since I have been a member for many years.
My money has helped to support the range, not the NRA.
I have also donated a lot of my time in doing work out there for free. Only about 5% of the members pitch in when things need to be done.
This is simply one of those things that happens when you get some putz in a position of 'power' that has never had any before. As I said,......the previous president and treasurer both are bugging this guy to death about driving me away. They understand my conviction, believe it or not.
They also know that I belong to the GOA, and my beliefs about the second.
It's all about a self-important little twerp with 'small man syndrome' IMHO.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
So apparently lt believes anti gunners. Like I said, I'm not sure who the bigger idiot is.
I could post something saying that I took a poll and 85% of gunbroker forum members believe me. I could even show the poll if I wanted to. Doesn't mean that it's accurate or true.
Personally, I don't participate in any polls. I'm sure that many that do, participate many times as well. And (this is going to be a shocker lt) they probably don't all tell the truth. There could be gun hating PETA lovers participating in the poll that claim to be NRA members just to boost the numbers.
Remember, this is the internet; nobody tells the truth.
I simply know for a flat-fact that many, if not most, NRA members support various forms of Anti-Amendment II gun-control/infringement...just like you, for example.
Tough pill to swallow, it seems.
And there are a lot more NON NRA members that believe in gun control. The fact still remains that you believe what the anti gunner is telling you about who supports him.
And just so you can be even more pissed off and think I'm solely responsible for the destruction of the nation, I believe that some reasonable gun control laws are necessary until we get our justice system fixed.
Go ahead. Get your flame on. If you keep bringing this up, you may accidentally stumble on an intelligent point. But I won't hold my breath for that day.
You really don't get it.
Yes, the anti-Constitution NRA members for gun-control, coupled with the other anti-Constitution non-NRA members, join and make a powerful force; one that has directly led to the abrogation of Amendment II.
As to believing an anti-gunner, even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then. In this case, the information about the NRA and its member's support for gun-control has been long known by me.
This poll/survey merely pointed to that simple, long known and irrefutable fact.
You seem to be avoiding or attempting to negate that fact, don'tcha.[:)]
As you may or may not learn, it is impossible to defend the indefensible. A hint......you are attempting it.
As to you outing yourself as a gun-controller, this too has been obvious and know by your previous postings.
Of course you are not 'solely' responsible, you are merely another of tens of millions of collectivist anti-Constitution gerbils, busily gnawing away at the foundations of the Republic.
You and those millions of others just like you ARE responsible for facilitating the Republics destruction.
It really is that simple, whether you choose to admit it or not. It is what it is.0 -
quote:Originally posted by legear
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by legear
I get sick of this topic. It comes up every few days and goes nowhere and changes no minds.
I wish it was treated like religious topics
I bet you do.
NRA member or supporter, are you? Or do you merely believe that some 'common-sense' gun-control is okay?
My post has nothing to do with me being in the NRA or not, Im saying this topics comes up every few days with the same trolls showing how they hate NRA.
This NRA hate looks like the occupy tards that just want something to be anal about.
We get it! You dont like them.
Go start your own group.
So, now that you got that out of your system. You are an NRA Member and/or supporter of 'reasonable or common sense' gun-control, aren'tcha?[:)]
And just a hint...yes, your post has to do with the NRA because you felt obligated to jump into a thread about the NRA and expressed your displeasure.
fact is, if you knew or agreed that the NRA is a quisling, anti-Amendment II org, you would not opine in the negative. Your comments point to something otherwise, don't they?
Come on, you can admit it. Own up to it, wear it proudly.[:o)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by calrugerfan
So apparently lt believes anti gunners. Like I said, I'm not sure who the bigger idiot is.
I could post something saying that I took a poll and 85% of gunbroker forum members believe me. I could even show the poll if I wanted to. Doesn't mean that it's accurate or true.
Personally, I don't participate in any polls. I'm sure that many that do, participate many times as well. And (this is going to be a shocker lt) they probably don't all tell the truth. There could be gun hating PETA lovers participating in the poll that claim to be NRA members just to boost the numbers.
Remember, this is the internet; nobody tells the truth.
I simply know for a flat-fact that many, if not most, NRA members support various forms of Anti-Amendment II gun-control/infringement...just like you, for example.
Tough pill to swallow, it seems.
And there are a lot more NON NRA members that believe in gun control. The fact still remains that you believe what the anti gunner is telling you about who supports him.
And just so you can be even more pissed off and think I'm solely responsible for the destruction of the nation, I believe that some reasonable gun control laws are necessary until we get our justice system fixed.
Go ahead. Get your flame on. If you keep bringing this up, you may accidentally stumble on an intelligent point. But I won't hold my breath for that day.
You really don't get it.
Yes, the anti-Constitution NRA members for gun-control, coupled with the other anti-Constitution non-NRA members, join and make a powerful force; one that has directly led to the abrogation of Amendment II.
As to believing an anti-gunner, even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then. In this case, the information about the NRA and its member's support for gun-control has been long known by me.
This poll/survey merely pointed to that simple, long known and irrefutable fact.
You seem to be avoiding or attempting to negate that fact, don'tcha.[:)]
As you may or may not learn, it is impossible to defend the indefensible. A hint......you are attempting it.
As to you outing yourself as a gun-controller, this too has been obvious and know by your previous postings.
Of course you are not 'solely' responsible, you are merely another of tens of millions of collectivist anti-Constitution gerbils, busily gnawing away at the foundations of the Republic.You and those millions of others just like you ARE responsible for facilitating the Republics destruction.
It really is that simple, whether you choose to admit it or not. It is what it is.
I like that one![;)][:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by wpage
NRA has its warts...
But it still is the best political tool we have to fight the powers that be against the 2nd amendment.
The NRA is certainly fighting hard against the second amendment, I'll grant you that.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wpage
NRA has its warts...
But it still is the best political tool we have to fight the powers that be against the 2nd amendment.
If sleeping with the enemy is the best tool we have it's over.
BTW it's been over for a while now, with the near complete circumvention of the BOR to this day. Not only the 2A but all rights to privacy too.
The icing is being spread on the cake as we speak and to most that is perfectly fine as long as they don't cancel dancing with the stars,american idol ect,ect,.....[:(][xx(]0 -
Marc,
I agree but I guess the 'twerp' is the one calling the shots.
To all of you who are bad mouthing the NRA a question.
Is it your believe the NRA has done NOTHING, ZERO, to assist those who support the RTKABA's???[?]
There I fixed it![;)]0 -
I don't hate the NRA I despise ALL who circumvent the constitution/BOR.
It is a well written document that was designed to protect people and guarantee basic freedom, PERIOD!! [:p]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Marc,
I agree but I guess the 'twerp' is the one calling the shots.
To all of you who are bad mouthing the NRA a question.
Is it your believe the NRA has done NOTHING, ZERO, to assist those who support the RTKABA's???[?]
There I fixed it![;)]
In a word: Yes.
The NRA has done a lot to preserve people's access to firearms through the acceptance of government control and the promoting of legislation that, while superficially preserves said access, factually codifies that Government power of control.
None of this has promoted the recognition of an individual right. La Perri?r and pals would have us believe that a law on the books allowing the law-abiding citizen to possess a firearm, provided he passes government scrutiny, is a recognition of a natural right codified in Amendment II. I continue to be amazed appalled at how many people have submitted to this belief system.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Marc,
I agree but I guess the 'twerp' is the one calling the shots.
To all of you who are bad mouthing the NRA a question.
Is it your believe the NRA has done NOTHING, ZERO, to assist those who support the RTKABA's???[?]
There I fixed it![;)]
Can't speak for Mark, but I will say this. If they are my advocate for my second amendment right, who is my opponent? Cause they sure look to be on the same side to me. One wants to control me personally. The other wants to control what guns I have access to, when, and why. Can you determine which is who?
If they, the NRA, have done anything. IF. They have had an indirect positive influence on some people. Since they do a fine job at training folks in the safe use of firearms, having folks who are well trained in the use of that force, instead of bumbling though it and potentially accidentally killing themselves... that could be viewed as a positive, IMO. Some others are marginally made aware that the second amendment is existent, by the NRA. That's about it though, so far as I can tell.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Marc,
I agree but I guess the 'twerp' is the one calling the shots.
To all of you who are bad mouthing the NRA a question.
Is it your believe the NRA has done NOTHING, ZERO, to assist those who support the RTKABA's???[?]
There I fixed it![;)]
Can't speak for Mark, but I will say this. If they are my advocate for my second amendment right, who is my opponent? Cause they sure look to be on the same side to me. One wants to control me personally. The other wants to control what guns I have access to, when, and why. Can you determine which is who?
If they, the NRA, have done anything. IF. They have had an indirect positive influence on some people. Since they do a fine job at training folks in the safe use of firearms, having folks who are well trained in the use of that force, instead of bumbling though it and potentially accidentally killing themselves... that could be viewed as a positive, IMO. Some others are marginally made aware that the second amendment is existent, by the NRA. That's about it though, so far as I can tell.
Actually I see it different than you. I have been a part of some of their training programs and I very much disagree with a lot of what they teach!!!
BUT, I thing they have helped to get the 'average' non gun owner to be more positive about the RTKABA's. This strict construction doctrine many here push turns off a lot of people who are on the 'fence'. It is a matter of degree, if they can get MORE people to come to 'our' side, maybe not as far to our side as you would like, it is a start and a good thing. I have NEVER meet a person nor found an organization I COMPLEATLY agree with and probably never will. But the NRA is doing more good than bad when you consider the totality of the circumstances.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Hunter Mag
quote:Originally posted by wpage
NRA has its warts...
But it still is the best political tool we have to fight the powers that be against the 2nd amendment.
If sleeping with the enemy is the best tool we have it's over.
BTW it's been over for a while now, with the near complete circumvention of the BOR to this day. Not only the 2A but all rights to privacy too.
The icing is being spread on the cake as we speak and to most that is perfectly fine as long as they don't cancel dancing with the stars,american idol ect,ect,.....[:(][xx(]
X-ring right there Hunter Mag.
Also shows the sorry state of "a"merican society.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
Marc,
I agree but I guess the 'twerp' is the one calling the shots.
To all of you who are bad mouthing the NRA a question.
Is it your believe the NRA has done NOTHING, ZERO, to assist those who support the RTKABA's???[?]
There I fixed it![;)]
Can't speak for Mark, but I will say this. If they are my advocate for my second amendment right, who is my opponent? Cause they sure look to be on the same side to me. One wants to control me personally. The other wants to control what guns I have access to, when, and why. Can you determine which is who?
If they, the NRA, have done anything. IF. They have had an indirect positive influence on some people. Since they do a fine job at training folks in the safe use of firearms, having folks who are well trained in the use of that force, instead of bumbling though it and potentially accidentally killing themselves... that could be viewed as a positive, IMO. Some others are marginally made aware that the second amendment is existent, by the NRA. That's about it though, so far as I can tell.
Actually I see it different than you. I have been a part of some of their training programs and I very much disagree with a lot of what they teach!!!
BUT, I thing they have helped to get the 'average' non gun owner to be more positive about the RTKABA's. This strict construction doctrine many here push turns off a lot of people who are on the 'fence'. It is a matter of degree, if they can get MORE people to come to 'our' side, maybe not as far to our side as you would like, it is a start and a good thing. I have NEVER meet a person nor found an organization I COMPLEATLY agree with and probably never will. But the NRA is doing more good than bad when you consider the totality of the circumstances.
Well, now that you've knocked down my one and only positive, that seriously puts a damper on the highlighted, doesn't it.0 -
The NRA puts a more moderate face on the RTKABA's than you and some others here would like, me included, but they do play a positive role in the PR area when it comes to 'gun owners'. They recruit many 'new' people into the cause and MANY of them take a more strict constructionist view than they do, as many here do. That does not mean they, the NRA, are the enemy, IT MEANS THEY TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROCH THAN SOME HERE WOULD LIKE. Once we get them 'off the fence' we can then try and educate them better, but not by telling them the NRA is the ENEMY.
Some here need to grow up, and stop acting like the play ground bully!!![;)] That will only drive people away and they will think you have less creditability than Ron Paul!!![;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
The NRA puts a more moderate face on the RTKABA's than you and some others here would like, me included, but they do play a positive role in the PR area when it comes to 'gun owners'. They recruit many 'new' people into the cause and MANY of them take a more strict constructionist view than they do, as many here do. That does not mean they, the NRA, are the enemy, IT MEANS THEY TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROCH THAN SOME HERE WOULD LIKE. Once we get them 'off the fence' we can then try and educate them better, but not by telling them the NRA is the ENEMY.
Some here need to grow up, and stop acting like the play ground bully!!![;)] That will only drive people away and they will think you have less creditability than Ron Paul!!![;)]
Without agreeing that the tactics you describe are being used by folks here, I totally disagree that that tactic doesn't work, and only sends folks to the other side. Furthermore, even if it does send them to the other side, what difference does that make? If they're teamed up with the NRA they are already ON the other side of gun rights.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
The NRA puts a more moderate face on the RTKABA's than you and some others here would like, me included, but they do play a positive role in the PR area when it comes to 'gun owners'. They recruit many 'new' people into the cause and MANY of them take a more strict constructionist view than they do, as many here do. That does not mean they, the NRA, are the enemy, IT MEANS THEY TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROCH THAN SOME HERE WOULD LIKE. Once we get them 'off the fence' we can then try and educate them better, but not by telling them the NRA is the ENEMY.
Some here need to grow up, and stop acting like the play ground bully!!![;)] That will only drive people away and they will think you have less creditability than Ron Paul!!![;)]
Without agreeing that the tactics you describe are being used by folks here, I totally disagree that that tactic doesn't work, and only sends folks to the other side. Furthermore, even if it does send them to the other side, what difference does that make? If they're teamed up with the NRA they are already ON the other side of gun rights.
Your response proves my point. Thank you![8D]0 -
Jim,.....I guess I understand what you are saying, but can't say that I personally agree with it. Different circumstances apply.
I was not introduced to firearms and the RTKBA by the NRA. That was done by family.
I joined the NRA blindly years later, thinking it was my 'duty' to belong per se.
I didn't do any research, and it was years later that I started to see the negative side of what they were doing. Once that became apparent, I left, and will NEVER go back unless they were to totally change one day.
I'm not holding my breath BTW.
Maybe,.......just MAYBE, there have been some folks introduced to firearms, and the RTKBA by the NRA, but I doubt they would be in high numbers.
Your premise that once introduced, they will investigate and try to change things from within is pie in the sky IMHO.
Most NRA people are rabid supporters, and after drinking the kool-aid, believe the NRA can do no wrong.
That is my opinion on the subject.[:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
Jim,.....I guess I understand what you are saying, but can't say that I personally agree with it. Different circumstances apply.
I was not introduced to firearms and the RTKBA by the NRA. That was done by family.
I joined the NRA blindly years later, thinking it was my 'duty' to belong per se.
I didn't do any research, and it was years later that I started to see the negative side of what they were doing. Once that became apparent, I left, and will NEVER go back unless they were to totally change one day.
I'm not holding my breath BTW.
Maybe,.......just MAYBE, there have been some folks introduced to firearms, and the RTKBA by the NRA, but I doubt they would be in high numbers.
Your premise that once introduced, they will investigate and try to change things from within is pie in the sky IMHO.
Most NRA people are rabid supporters, and after drinking the kool-aid, believe the NRA can do no wrong.
That is my opinion on the subject.[:)]
Marc,
Times they are a changing, and not for the better. I too was introduced to guns and there use from as far back as I can remember. I grew up in rural America where guns were 'tools' and used for recreation so I did not 'need' the NRA or any other organization to 'bring' me to the use of guns. But in today's world, which is much more urban, many people who have in interest in this subject look to others, friends, relatives and etc. for info but many times the only way they get training and introduction to shooting is through organizations like the NRA (and others). I do not agree with MUCH of what the NRA as done in the area of compromise but I don't consider them ALL bad and I certainly don't consider them the 'enemy'! The enemy are the progressive extremists like the current administration and those who support this dictator in chief.[:(!]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Jim Rau
The NRA puts a more moderate face on the RTKABA's than you and some others here would like, me included, but they do play a positive role in the PR area when it comes to 'gun owners'. They recruit many 'new' people into the cause and MANY of them take a more strict constructionist view than they do, as many here do. That does not mean they, the NRA, are the enemy, IT MEANS THEY TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROCH THAN SOME HERE WOULD LIKE. Once we get them 'off the fence' we can then try and educate them better, but not by telling them the NRA is the ENEMY.
Some here need to grow up, and stop acting like the play ground bully!!![;)] That will only drive people away and they will think you have less creditability than Ron Paul!!![;)]
Without agreeing that the tactics you describe are being used by folks here, I totally disagree that that tactic doesn't work, and only sends folks to the other side. Furthermore, even if it does send them to the other side, what difference does that make? If they're teamed up with the NRA they are already ON the other side of gun rights.
Your response proves my point. Thank you![8D]
And what point would that be? You don't seem to have one.0 -
The point is, you and many here, have a very closed mind and are full of hate and discontent which is a real 'turn off' to those we are trying to convince that gun ownership is good. Many progressives call the NRA the enemy. They are extremists, are you an extremist also???[?] 0
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