New York did it
Jan 14 2013
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quote:Originally posted by poppalee
Sure glad the republicans stood firm for American citizens:
quote:The bill also includes several items pushed for by Senate Republicans, who have expressed a reluctance to bolstering New York's current assault weapons ban. Among them are a new felony for carrying a firearm on school grounds, as well as provisions allowing pistol-permit holders to request that their personal information be guarded from open-records requests.
You and I both know that Dems / Reps are just two wings of the same damn bird.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Dave W.
Background checks to purchase ammunition?
Large ammunition purchases will be reported to the police?
Bad news for some good folks. The least of their problems is
the fact that crime won't actually drop.
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New York Has Gun Deal, With Focus on Mental Ills
ALBANY - Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and lawmakers agreed on Monday to a broad package of changes to gun laws that would expand the state's ban on assault weapons and would include new measures to keep guns away from the mentally ill.
The state Senate, controlled by a coalition of Republicans and a handful of Democrats, approved the legislative package around 11 p.m. by a vote of 43 to 18. The Assembly, controlled by Democrats, has been strongly supportive of gun control. It planned to vote on the measure on Tuesday.
Approval of the legislation would make New York the first state to act in response to the mass shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn., last month.
Mr. Cuomo had pressed lawmakers to act quickly in response to Newtown, saying, "the people of this state are crying out for help." And the Legislature acted with unusual haste: Monday was the first full day of this year's legislative session."We don't need another tragedy to point out the problems in the system," Mr. Cuomo, a Democrat, said at a news conference just before 9 p.m. "Enough people have lost their lives," he added. "Let's act."
The expanded ban on assault weapons would broaden the definition of such weapons, banning semiautomatic pistols and rifles with detachable magazines and one military-style feature, as well as semiautomatic shotguns with one military-style feature. New Yorkers who already own such guns could keep them but would be required to register them with the state.
"The message out there is so clear after Newtown," said the Assembly speaker, Sheldon Silver, a Democrat from Manhattan. "To basically eradicate assault weapons from our streets in New York as quickly as possible is something the people of this state want."
In an acknowledgment that many people have suggested that part of the solution to gun violence is a better government response to mental illness, the legislation includes not only new restrictions on gun ownership, but also efforts to limit access to guns by the mentally ill.
The most significant new proposal would require mental health professionals to report to local mental health officials when they believe that a patient is likely to harm themselves or others. Law enforcement would then be authorized to confiscate any firearm owned by the patient; therapists would not be sanctioned for a failure to report dangerous patients if they acted "in good faith."
"People who have mental health issues should not have guns," Mr. Cuomo said. "They could hurt themselves, they could hurt other people."
But such a requirement "represents a major change in the presumption of confidentiality that has been inherent in mental health treatment," said Dr. Paul S. Appelbaum, the director of the Division of Law, Ethics, and Psychiatry at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, who said the Legislature should hold hearings on possible consequences of the proposal.
"The prospect of being reported to the local authorities, even if they do not have weapons, may be enough to discourage patients with suicidal or homicidal thoughts from seeking treatment or from being honest about their impulses," he said.
The legislation would also expand Kendra's Law, which empowers judges to order mentally ill patients to receive outpatient treatment.
And it would require gun owners to store their weapons safely if they live with someone barred from possessing a firearm.
The legislative package which Mr. Cuomo said he believed would be "the most comprehensive package in the nation," would ban any gun magazine that can hold over 7 rounds of ammunition - the current limit is 10 rounds - and require background checks of ammunition buyers and automated alerts to law enforcement of high-volume purchases.
The legislation would also increase penalties for gun crimes, require background checks for most private gun sales and create a statewide database of gun licenses.
Senator Jeffrey D. Klein of the Bronx, the leader of an independent faction of Democrats who have allied with the Republicans to control the Senate, said the measure met the goals of many lawmakers.
"Republicans, it's very clear, wanted harsher criminal penalties for illegal guns, which is something I agree with," Mr. Klein added, "but on the other hand we're also going to ban assault weapons and limit the number of rounds in a magazine. So I think putting those two things together makes it a better bill."
Among the other elements of the proposed legislation were a so-called Webster provision, named for the shooting deaths of two firefighters in Webster, near Rochester, just before Christmas, that would mandate a life sentence without parole for anyone who murders a first responder.
The package would allow judges to require weapons surrender by anyone who is the subject of an order of protection from a court.
And in response to a controversy that erupted after The Journal News, a daily newspaper, published the names and addresses of handgun permit holders in Westchester and Rockland Counties, the legislation would prohibit disclosure of the names on a new statewide gun database, and would allow individuals to exempt their own names and addresses from being disclosed by counties that have such databases.
The proposed package of gun laws posed the first big test of a new power dynamic in Albany. The Assembly remains controlled by Democrats, as it has been for decades, and is strongly supportive of gun control.
The coalition now leading the Senate, which had been controlled by Republicans generally opposed to new gun control measures, also includes Democrats supportive of gun control.
Senate Republicans indicated on Monday that they would not seek to block a vote. The deputy Republican leader in the Senate, Thomas W. Libous of Binghamton, described a new gun control bill as "inevitable." In an interview on WGDJ-AM, Mr. Libous called the package a "split decision."
"I'm not going to sugarcoat it," he said, adding, "There are a lot of things here that true Second Amendment believers are going to have some issues with."
Mr. Libous later told reporters he did not know how he would vote on the gun package.
"I have had thousands of e-mails and calls," he said. "Certainly the emotion of the issue, as to what happened in Connecticut or Columbine or wherever, is something that touches all of us as individuals, but a lot of my constituents feel very strongly about the Second Amendment, and I certainly have to respect their wishes."
The Legislature was scheduled to be in session this week only on Monday and Tuesday. Mr. Cuomo, eager for a vote on the gun package, said he had waived the three-day waiting period for new legislation that the State Constitution requires, something he has done in the past to allow for speedy votes on controversial legislative agreements.
The minority leader in the Assembly, Brian M. Kolb, a Republican from Canandaigua, objected to the move to expedite the process, saying, "I don't think we should be rushing things just for the sake of headlines."
But Mr. Cuomo said, "If there is an issue that fits the definition of necessity, I believe it's gun violence."0 -
This is just treason on anyone who voted for this,,plain and simple,,,its not about crime, its disarming,,for the love of God,,,is ther any politicians to stop this,,,,,,,it will be a fast cancer my friends,,,,The country as we know it has justed chunked up more filth in the name of the children--have mercy on the good people,,others can go to hell-[V] 0 -
Learn from California. Take it to the courts.
Thats assuming it passes the house.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mm8nambu
This is just treason on anyone who voted for this,,plain and simple,,,its not about crime, its disarming,,for the love of God,,,is ther any politicians to stop this,,,,,,,it will be a fast cancer my friends,,,,The country as we know it has justed chunked up more filth in the name of the children--have mercy on the good people,,others can go to hell-[V]
quote:"It is comprehensive. It is sound," Cuomo told reporters. "It addresses the multifaceted problem that we're dealing with.
It protects, I believe, hunters and sportsmen, et cetera, and legitimate gun owners."BUT... But, We're 'protected'...
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IMO... Now, New York will soon be occupied by non-gun owners totally.
It may become the first totally "leftist" state in the union.
Woody is gonna have to find a new place to hunt them thar'turkeys...0 -
quote:Originally posted by retroxler58
IMO... Now, New York will soon be occupied by non-gun owners totally.
It may become the first totally "leftist" state in the union.
Woody is gonna have to find a new place to hunt them thar'turkeys...
YOU can bet crime will be on the rise,,,,oh wait,,no it will stop dead in its tracks,,silly me0 -
They are going to have to lay off all those police officers in NY now that all the evil black guns are illegal. How can they possibly justify paying them to just sit around once crime drops to zero. 0 -
If it passes tomorrow. there will be injunctions by Thursday. This will go to Supremes, and I don't mean Diana Ross. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by woodhog
If it passes tomorrow. there will be injunctions by Thursday. This will go to Supremes, and I don't mean Diana Ross.
I'm guessing the injunctions are already being written.0 -
No doubt coumo is working hand in hand with biden and bammy.
Confiscation? Registration? Background checks for ammo? Doctor decides you might be looney and your guns are confiscated?
Is this a test bed for biden and bammy?
These jackasses are going to start a civil war.0 -
Just checked my gun safe.
EVERY DAMN ONE OF MY PISTOLS HAVE A PISTOL GRIP.
Oh, my one revolver is a 9 shot.0 -
New York off of my list to ever go there or even consider it. As Hank Williams Jr's. song says, send me to he-ll or NY City it would be about the same to me. 0 -
Get ready folks.New York will not be alone.From my "cold dead hands" huh?Yeah Right. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by poppalee
The most significant new proposal would require mental health professionals to report to local mental health officials when they believe that a patient is likely to harm themselves or others. Law enforcement would then be authorized to confiscate any firearm owned by the patient; therapists would not be sanctioned for a failure to report dangerous patients if they acted "in good faith."
"People who have mental health issues should not have guns," Mr. Cuomo said. "They could hurt themselves, they could hurt other people."
But such a requirement "represents a major change in the presumption of confidentiality that has been inherent in mental health treatment," said Dr. Paul S. Appelbaum, the director of the Division of Law, Ethics, and Psychiatry at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, who said the Legislature should hold hearings on possible consequences of the proposal.
"The prospect of being reported to the local authorities, even if they do not have weapons, may be enough to discourage patients with suicidal or homicidal thoughts from seeking treatment or from being honest about their impulses," he said.
The legislation would also expand Kendra's Law, which empowers judges to order mentally ill patients to receive outpatient treatment.
No due process before one's firearms are seized.
"Mental healthcare professional" -- how is that even being defined?
There are plenty of "mental healthcare professionals" who consider anyone who owns a firearm -- or wants to own one -- to be mentally ill.
I guess we shouldn't be surprised by this, after all, Cuomo and his gang are such control freaks they want to dictate even the size of a soft drink a person can purchase. Is it any surprise -- with that level psychosis -- that they wouldn't be terrified of their citizens owning firearms?0 -
quote:Originally posted by poppalee
http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/196387/37/NY-Senate-Passes-Gun-Control-Legislation
NY Senate Passes Gun Control Legislation
"No one hunts with an assault rifle," Cuomo said at the time. "No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer. End the madness."
Well, I guess it will take just one bullet and a good sniper--I mean hunting rifle to do a lot toward ending this madness.0 -
Its a sad day for my shop.. 91 years in business .. This may be the end of us.. Everyone who has come into the store for all these years I have encouraged to join the NRA or make every phone call possible to uphold our 2nd amendment rights.. Unfortuantely there is not enough of us to defeat NYC and the surrounding area.. Very depressed over this..[:(!] 0 -
Mr. Cuomos' dad Mario [when he was the NYS Governor], vetoed any death penalty laws that came across his desk. He countered by saying anyone convicted of the murder of a lawman or prison guard would get life without parole. Then he either pardoned or commuted [so long ago can't remember which] a man convicted of the murder of a sheriff's deputy. Let's hope junior sticks to the law... 0 -
Cuomo is going to get eye strain from staring down the road to the White House. He and his ilk don't realize their is a different country outside New York and California and a few other places.
What sent a chill up my back is the New York Legislature waved a three day review of the legislation by the public. In the New York State Assembly a proposed bill cannot go to the floor without the approval of the head guy, Sheldon Silver a screaming Lib from NYC.
For all intents and purposes all legislation in New York State is controlled by three men. A filthy corrupt system...
I guess I will be looking to Vermont, eleven miles east. My wife teaches over there, so it isn't much of a big deal.0 -
So, between sellers boycotting CA bidders and now NY in outer space as far as guns are concerned, that's about 25% of the population unable to buy on GunBroker. 0 -
The only ones mentally ill up there are the politicians 0 -
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one. 0 -
A few more states join in and it probably will happen, then what. All these mags and guns will have nowhere to be sold. I sure hope not. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around.
Not for long. They are becoming subjects to their all-powerful leaders.0 -
"The Remington plant manufactures several types of rifles, including the Bushmaster .223-caliber model used in Newtown and Webster"
Whats wrong with that statement?0 -
Are lever action rifles exempt from this? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
Sadly, I believe the majority of NY residents want the law. They live in a liberal controlled news media and do not know any better.0 -
quote:Originally posted by poppalee
quote:Originally posted by rob223
They (the residents of NY) are the only ones whom can fix it. They forget that their representatives work for them, not the other way around. But they have to stand together and make them make the changes. A 7 round magazines makes no real sense, where they came up with that one.
Sadly, I believe the majority of NY residents want the law. They live in a liberal controlled news media and do not know any better.
More like the majority of NY CITY residents but they're the state majority as well. Upstaters have no voting power against them. [:(!]0 -
I was born and raised in NYC. {dob 1956} I saw and lived thru the "laws" and BS of 1968 GCA.
I jumped thru the many hoops to just to shoot in rifle and pistol competitions.
I own land {read that as paying big taxes} and used to hunt in the beautiful upstate area near Hancock.
Finally about 18 years ago, I had get get away from the ratrace- the rats were just getting faster.
So I moved to the free state of Tenn. Love it.
I didn't bring my "ideas" of the north with me. NYC is NOT NY State, but upstate has died from the blood poisoning gangrene from the city below it.
If you live in a free state, don't bash New Yorkers, the ones on this forum, and many others, Have just succumbed to a fate that is YOURS next. You must act now to stop it, or you {us} will be the last generation of gun owners in America.0
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