New York did it
Jan 14 2013
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NY just passed their own AWB
You guys are all felons now if you have a mag that holds more than 7 rounds.0 -
My guess is that they just enacted some sort of semi-auto rifle ban.[;)] 0 -
I cant believe people arent talking about this. Everybody in NY just got screwed. Does anyone realize how draconian this bill is? I guess not. A NY resident that owns 3 or more firearms just became a felon. Does anyone have some 7 round mags to sell to them because thats all theyre going to be allowed to have. Tyranny at its finest. Passed in the late night hours before anyone had a chance to know about it. 43-18. They couldnt wait to pass this. 0 -
From out in fly over country I'm sorry. The only thing I know you can do is move. I know easier said than done. Jay 0 -
They are giving you a year to sell the mags out of state..makes it a misdemeanor for possession and a whole lot worse. I cannot believe how many Republicans voted for it. They need to be ousted. Very sad for those of you in NY. I'm sure this is the beginning of the end[V] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cpermd
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The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
Just like all the Californians did.[:(]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
Like the californians, they bring their laws with them. I know, it does not make sense, but they try to do things like back home.0 -
So someone who owns a Ruger 10/22 they bought in the 1960's has to sell their ten round mags and then do what?? Nobody makes anything else yet. Guess 1911's will become popular. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
So much for "we're all in this together". Let's see you pack up and leave your grandkids and everything you've spent a lifetime working for when they come for YOUR guns!0 -
quote:Originally posted by ruger41
So someone who owns a Ruger 10/22 they bought in the 1960's has to sell their ten round mags and then do what?? Nobody makes anything else yet. Guess 1911's will become popular.
Until they ban those too. At some point the masses need to say no more and if it takes millions of people flooding the court rooms and jails so be it.0 -
http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/196387/37/NY-Senate-Passes-Gun-Control-Legislation
NY Senate Passes Gun Control Legislation
ALBANY -- New York came one step closer to enacting tougher gun laws on Monday, with the state Senate approving a set of broad changes in a late-night vote and the Assembly expected to act early Tuesday.
Cuomo unveiled his proposal to bolster the state's gun laws late Monday after weeks of behind-the-scenes negotiations with legislative leaders, with a full ban on assault weapons slated to take effect as soon as it is passed.
The Senate passed Cuomo's bill in a 43-18 vote around 11 p.m. Monday. The Assembly is set to take up the legislation when it returns to session at 10 a.m. Tuesday.
Cuomo's bill -- named the Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, or NY SAFE -- would enact a number of new measures, including a ban of all magazines that hold more than seven rounds and universal background checks for all gun sales, regardless if they are private, person-to-person sales.
The bill, Cuomo said, also includes a "Webster provision" -- a life-without-parole prison sentence for anyone who murders a first responder. The provision was included as a response to a Christmas Eve shooting in the Monroe County town in which two firefighters were shot and killed while responding to a blaze.
If passed by the Assembly, New York would become the first state to pass tougher gun laws after the Dec. 14 massacre in Newtown, Conn.
"It is comprehensive. It is sound," Cuomo told reporters. "It addresses the multifaceted problem that we're dealing with. It protects, I believe, hunters and sportsmen, et cetera, and legitimate gun owners."
The bill also includes several items pushed for by Senate Republicans, who have expressed a reluctance to bolstering New York's current assault weapons ban. Among them are a new felony for carrying a firearm on school grounds, as well as provisions allowing pistol-permit holders to request that their personal information be guarded from open-records requests.
The latter provision appears to be in direct response to The Journal News' decision to publish a map of pistol-permit holders in Westchester and Rockland counties, which has received significant criticism from Second Amendment advocates.
A permit holder or applicant would be able to request privacy for a number of reasons, such as the person being a police officer or if they feel their "safety may be endangered by disclosure." Licensing officials, in most cases at the county level, would be able to decide whether the exception should be granted.
Handgun permits are currently public under state law.
"We're not looking to demonize gun owners," Cuomo said. "Gun owners have done nothing wrong."
After spending more than three hours in conference behind closed doors Monday afternoon, the Senate GOP emerged and signaled a deal was imminent.
"The conference is reviewing a number of options, and it looks like there will be a vote sometime today," said Sen. Michael Nozzolio, R-Fayette, Seneca County.
When asked if there will be a vote Monday night, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, D-Manhattan, said: "I believe there will be."
"I think you take a look at what has happened over the years and in Newtown, I think the faster we do this, the better off we are," Silver said.
Cuomo's bill, which was formally proposed after 8 p.m., also makes changes to laws regarding the mentally ill. If a mental-health professional decides someone is a potential risk to others or themselves, they would be required to alert the authorities, who would have the ability to confiscate any firearms that person may own.
Assault weapons -- defined as any rifle with a "military style" feature, such as a bayonet or a telescoping stock -- that are currently owned would be grandfathered and would have to be registered with the state. Magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds and manufactured before 1994, which are currently legal, would have to be turned over to authorities or sold out of state within one year. If a magazine has a capacity between eight and 10, it would have to be retrofitted to only hold seven rounds.
Under Cuomo's plan, the state would have one year to set up an instant background check system for all ammunition purchases. Law enforcement would be alerted to large purchases of ammunition.
Cuomo and lawmakers have been in talks over the state's gun laws since the Dec. 14 massacre in Newtown, Conn. A vote on Monday would make New York the first state to pass tighter firearm restrictions since the shooting.
Some Republicans in both the Senate and Assembly warned against moving too quickly.
Sen. Thomas O'Mara, R-Big Flats, Chemung County, cautioned against a vote simply so New York and Cuomo can claim the mantle of being the first in the nation to adopt tougher gun laws.
"It's certainly very frustrating, but the governor has made this his priority issue and I think the number one concern of his is to get it done first, before anybody else does anything," O'Mara said. "When we're dealing with issues of Second Amendment concern or any constitutional concern, we should be taking a greater and more thorough look at it with the opportunity for discussion amongst all interested parties."
Senate Independent Democratic Leader Jeff Klein, D-Bronx, said he's "very confident" the Senate will vote on a package of gun laws Monday. Klein's five-member Independent Democratic Conference shares control of the Senate with Republicans.
"I think that when all is said and done, we're going to pass a comprehensive gun bill today," Klein told reporters. "And I think it's important, and I think this is an issue that shows we can work together -- Democrats and Republicans."
Cuomo said he would waive a mandatory three-day aging period for new bills if the Legislature puts the gun measures to a vote. The reason, he said, was in part to give the bill the best chance of passing and part to prevent a potential bump in sales for assault rifles in the period before lawmakers act.
About three dozen union members who work at a Remington Arms manufacturing plant in Herkimer County traveled to the Capitol on Monday, presenting lawmakers with a letter expressing concern that a full assault-weapons ban could put them out of work.
The Remington plant manufactures several types of rifles, including the Bushmaster .223-caliber model used in Newtown and Webster.
"We are asking you to not hinder the growth of our employer, the opportunity of growth in the Mohawk Valley with large and small businesses, and most importantly the jobs that support the survival of our membership and their families," the union, United Mine Workers of America Local 717, wrote.
Assemblywoman Ellen Jaffee, D-Suffern, Rockland County, said a quick vote was prudent, saying she was concerned that a delay could lead to less stringent regulations.
"I'm concerned that the anti-gun-safety lobbyists would have influence in a way where we would lose the opportunity to move forward with gun safety," she said.
In his State of the State address last Wednesday, Cuomo called for the "toughest assault weapons ban in the nation."
"No one hunts with an assault rifle," Cuomo said at the time. "No one needs 10 bullets to kill a deer. End the madness."0 -
quote:Originally posted by Toolfogie
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
So much for "we're all in this together". Let's see you pack up and leave your grandkids and everything you've spent a lifetime working for when they come for YOUR guns!
No kidding. That mentality is the reason we're screwed. Everybodys fine with whatever happens as long as its happening to their neighbor and not them. This couldve just as easily happened here in IL. This is a big deal.0 -
quote:Originally posted by poppalee
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
Like the californians, they bring their laws with them. I know, it does not make sense, but they try to do things like back home.
Yep,the ones that moved here want to turn this into what the hell they moved from,,[V][:(!][:(]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Toolfogie
quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
The way I see it.....let them HAVE that area....and the people that care about REALLY being free and having the liberties guaranteed by our constitution should move out of there. Come on to the other areas...when its all said and done they will get exactly what they deserve.
So much for "we're all in this together". Let's see you pack up and leave your grandkids and everything you've spent a lifetime working for when they come for YOUR guns!
Its obvious that any area that has put morons in power that will legislate the size of beverages that are allowed....its time to let go and move on to try and save whatever sanity you have left. I would imagine once you made the effort to get to an area that embraced your same philosophies you would wish you had left sooner.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JackBwr
I cant believe people arent talking about this. Everybody in NY just got screwed. Does anyone realize how draconian this bill is? I guess not. A NY resident that owns 3 or more firearms just became a felon. Does anyone have some 7 round mags to sell to them because thats all theyre going to be allowed to have. Tyranny at its finest. Passed in the late night hours before anyone had a chance to know about it. 43-18. They couldnt wait to pass this.
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So you're another one of those "people" who don't know the difference between New York City and New York State.[:(!] 0 -
Gets what you votes for. 0 -
Background checks to purchase ammunition?
Large ammunition purchases will be reported to the police?
Bad news for some good folks. The least of their problems is the fact that crime won't actually drop.0 -
So now NYer's will have to pass a background check to buy ammo??!! Holy smokes. So should I assume the NY Assembly is chock full of liberals. Bet the SHOT Show is gonna be one somber place. BTW who determines what large amounts of ammo is? 0 -
If I read this right it still has to pass the assembly. Is there any chance you can get it defeated there? This is the time to start making phone calls to those who are elected. I don't know how you move and leave all you have spent a lifetime building but can you live with what they are willing to give you? We may all be faceing the same thing with the guy we have in the whitehouse. Jay 0 -
Well,,wth,,sellout politicians,,what a joke and its on us--Don't think it won't come to us all now,,,Obammo is just giddy now with excitement,,saying we did it,,now SCREW the entire country,,Pack up and move,,sorry people, thats not the answer--
Don't know what you guys can do in New York,[B)] We all are going to feel the pain soon enough-
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quote:Originally posted by fideau
Gets what you votes for.
You mean we get stuck with who the teat-sucking Obamanites voted for!0 -
Sure glad the republicans stood firm for American citizens:
quote:The bill also includes several items pushed for by Senate Republicans, who have expressed a reluctance to bolstering New York's current assault weapons ban. Among them are a new felony for carrying a firearm on school grounds, as well as provisions allowing pistol-permit holders to request that their personal information be guarded from open-records requests.0 -
HAVE PEOPLE REALIZED YET THAT OWNING MORE THAN TWO FIREARMS WILL BE A FELONY THERE!? I didnt see that mentioned in the article. Why not make it one? Why let them have 2!? Were they feeling generous?
With this kind of attack and unrelenting demonization of gunowners, there may not be anymore gun owners in another generation. Too much cost, effort, stigma involved. Wont be worth it anymore to them.
Again, 50% of the country is getting left behind.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JackBwr
I cant believe people aren't talking about this. Everybody in NY just got screwed. Does anyone realize how draconian this bill is? I guess not. A NY resident that owns 3 or more firearms just became a felon. Does anyone have some 7 round mags to sell to them because that's all they're going to be allowed to have. Tyranny at its finest. Passed in the late night hours before anyone had a chance to know about it. 43-18. They couldn't wait to pass this.
They don't care to know...0 -
Jack I looked in other places..didn't see any mention of owning more than 3 guns makes one a felon. Don't see how thats possible if you bought a gun legally but it is NY. There will be a figurative bloodbath at the polls come 2014..mark my words. The lazy that stayed home this time will clean house. Too bad they didn't do it before cuz only a miracle is gonna stop this bill. 0
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