no hope
sometimes it feels like I'm puting my eggs in an orange wagon with 3 wheels that's rolling into a ditch. Can't Trump just stfu sometimes. He insulted the parent of a soldier who gave his life for the country. How hard would it be to ignore that quagmire?
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quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.
You and captain bb gun are pretty comical, if not pathetic. The accusation of "you have sacrificed nothing" came from the DNC speaker that lost his son in Iraq. In-the-tank-George Flopadopolis merely asked him about his sacrifices, as tools are wont to do. Trump's response was comical really. Any fool would know that the response was going to be compared to the sacrifice of losing your son for the country. Trump's answer made him look like a complete ass. But, he's your boy... you must be proud.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.
Selective hearing or just selective thinking?
The father stated, in the context of him losing his son, that Trump has sacrificed nothing. Stephanopoulos asked him to respond to that statement. You heard his response.
While I would agree that Clinton has sacrificed nothing, what does this have to do with Clinton?
Are you suggesting that paying taxes is a sacrifice that can be spoken of in the context of the question?
Trump will continue to dig himself and the GOP deeper and deeper into a hole unless you Trump apologists begin to hold him responsible for the statements he makes.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.
You and captain bb gun are pretty comical, if not pathetic. The accusation of "you have sacrificed nothing" came from the DNC speaker that lost his son in Iraq. In-the-tank-George Flopadopolis merely asked him about his sacrifices, as tools are wont to do. Trump's response was comical really. Any fool would know that the response was going to be compared to the sacrifice of losing your son for the country. Trump's answer made him look like a complete ass. But, he's your boy... you must be proud.
You answers are a perfect example of a Democrat going into contortions in order to twist Trumps words into some sort of insult.
Others may compare his work to the loss of this mans son but the fact remains that Trump did not compare his work to the loss of the son. You did. In essence you are blaming Trump for the assumptions of others. That is the big stretch.
Please tell me, what does[" as tools are wont to do."] mean to sane people0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
Trump said about the soldiers wife and I quote. " she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably ,Maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything you tell me."
How can anybody say that is an outrageous statement?
Secondly, He never compared his sacrifices to the loss of the mother or father of the Muslim soldier.
He was asked by George Stephanopoulos, The former Clinton white house employee, what his sacrifices were for this country. and he answered.
What the Hell was Hillery's sacrifices? Only a Democrat can stretch his answer into an insulting reply to that Muslim Mother and Father.
Maybe some of you should go back and listen to his reply rather than just taking the Democrat version to the bank.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-news/watch/trump-responds-to-father-of-fallen-muslim-soldier-735328323841
As for what Trump has done for America,somebody has to produce something in this country or else there will be no money to pay for anything including the military. Trump is a great producer. No body else running for president has actually produced anything. If most people were given a million dollars by their father it wouldn't last more than three years. Trump made his money. Hillery stole most of hers.
You and captain bb gun are pretty comical, if not pathetic. The accusation of "you have sacrificed nothing" came from the DNC speaker that lost his son in Iraq. In-the-tank-George Flopadopolis merely asked him about his sacrifices, as tools are wont to do. Trump's response was comical really. Any fool would know that the response was going to be compared to the sacrifice of losing your son for the country. Trump's answer made him look like a complete ass. But, he's your boy... you must be proud.
You answers are a perfect example of a Democrat going into contortions in order to twist Trumps words into some sort of insult.
Others may compare his work to the loss of this mans son but the fact remains that Trump did not compare his work to the loss of the son. You did. In essence you are blaming Trump for the assumptions of others. That is the big stretch.
Please tell me, what does[" as tools are wont to do."] mean to sane people
You might want to come back to the forums after you grow up some. The things I write are pretty simple to figure out, if one knows how to read. George Flopadopolis is a tool. A tool of the left. Not too unlike yourself, save for the label.0 -
Here's an opinion article from fox news that I think sums it up pretty well.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/08/01/open-letter-to-mr-khizr-khan.html0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
When people said he was a classic narcissist, no one thought that a big deal.
What that means is that he sees the world only in terms of how it is good for him, or not.
He really does believe the stuff he says, and you can see for yourself how he thinks about those who resist him or what he wants.
There are no redeeming characteristics to narcissism, and such personalities do not change.
There are lots of people you do not want to give power to, and a narcissist is one of them.
Highlighted in Red: = NOT TRUE.
Humble narcissists' like Steve Jobs make best business leaders, study says
In 1985, the man who would become one of the most successful entrepreneurs in human history hit rock bottom.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/27/why-steve-jobs-style-humble-narcissists-make-the-best-business-leaders/
Want a leader or a limp-wristed, woosie, PC correct politician ?
Please notice that being accused of being RACIST and NOT politically correct is another way you give people power over you,, like the "shut up and sit down" kind of power, or you're afraid to exercise your right to free speech.
Reminds me of Patton: not popular but got the job done.0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
Trump doesn't need to sway Trump supporters, he needs to sway "independents" and his antics just distract from what was once an effective message. The more he allows himself to step into pointless controversy, the more he gets pulled off message. Which is exactly what the libs intend to happen. So from here on out, every time he says something remotely controversial the lib media will harp on it to get him off message. If he actually wants to win (which I am suspicious that he does actually want to be President) then he needs to stop attacking people that voters are going to view as "innocent" Americans. He needs to focus his comments on Clinton and her adherence to failing policies.
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quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
Utter naivete on the part of so many. It might help if people started asking why Trump is being asked these 'gotcha' questions, while Cankles is asked to 'tell us how wonderful she is'. Does one have to have had a child die in Iraq to express an opinion about Islamic Extremists? The connection is a silly one. The soldier who died fought for this country. That fact says nothing about the father's allegiance, or any other museum's.
I have sent emails to the networks over the last week asking why they didn't show the BernBot walkout, the BLM chants during the moment of silence for fallen LE officers, the heckling of a MOH recipient. Have any of you complaining about Trump DONE anything? Or is your time pretty well eaten up with pointless hitching in online forums?
Instead of analyzing Trump's response, get in the fight and demand the media act like responsible journalists, rather than fluff girls for the Dems.
This wasn't a 'gotcha' question. It was an obvious question based upon Trump's statements regarding muslims. Any comment that could be taken as negative or disparaging about the family of a fallen serviceman are stupid. People can make up any rationale to justify or twist his statements, but the bottom line is that he needs to grow the hell up and control his mouth.
There is a real story here that is being ignored, however. While muslims represent approximately 1% of the US population, they comprise just 0.25% of the U.S. Armed forces. A 4:1 underrepresentation says something very telling about how 'American' these people actually are.
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Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
Do you mean jerrywh818 who is recruiting votes for Hillary? or ?0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]
There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech with this "us vs them" mentality, including criticism of their chosen candidate? If you are not drinking the kool aid and willing to dismiss all juvenile behavior that trump exhibits you must be a Hillary supporter.0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]
There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech and the free exchange of ideas, including criticism of their chosen candidate?
Don't you think you might be exaggerating a tad, the man did say he will appoint conservative judges and protect the constitution and the second amendment will secure the border deport criminals and so on, when the old hag wants to do exactly the opposite.
I honestly have a hard time understanding the fervor with which some supposedly conservative people oppose Trump.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]
There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech and the free exchange of ideas, including criticism of their chosen candidate?
Don't you think you might be exaggerating a tad, the man did say he will appoint conservative judges and protect the constitution and the second amendment will secure the border deport criminals and so on, when the old hag wants to do exactly the opposite.
I honestly have a hard time understanding the fervor with which some supposedly conservative people oppose Trump.
Oh it probably has something to do with him not representing much of any of their core values. [;)] Trump says lots of things, the problem is those things tend to fluctuate depending on who he is speaking too at the time. How much time has he spent talking about the Constitution lately?0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]
There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech and the free exchange of ideas, including criticism of their chosen candidate?
Don't you think you might be exaggerating a tad, the man did say he will appoint conservative judges and protect the constitution and the second amendment will secure the border deport criminals and so on, when the old hag wants to do exactly the opposite.
I honestly have a hard time understanding the fervor with which some supposedly conservative people oppose Trump.
Oh it probably has something to do with him not representing much of any of their core values. [;)] Trump says lots of things, the problem is those things tend to fluctuate depending on who he is speaking too at the time. How much time has he spent talking about the Constitution lately?
Today he gave a good speech in a town hall in Ohio I think, and reiterated the appointing of conservative judges for the purpose of protecting the constitution, also said he will reinstate coal mining and make the country energy self sufficient, I don't think he is lying! do you ?0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]
There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech with this "us vs them" mentality, including criticism of their chosen candidate? If you are not drinking the kool aid and willing to dismiss all juvenile behavior that trump exhibits you must be a Hillary supporter.
Clinton does not have one conservative bone in her baggy body. The reason we are so defensive of Trump is because if he doesn't win there will be no tomorrow in our lifetime or yours for America as we have known it. Somehow some of you don't seem to realize what 3 or 4 liberal judges on the supreme court will do to this country.
We are not only on the verge of losing the 2nd amendment but probably some of the others also. If you think you have free speech now your wrong. It will get much worse. Without the second there is no way to assure the others.0 -
MrPerfect.
You and Trump have a lot in common. You think you can win an argument by insulting people. It only shows how weak your argument is.
I was grown up when you were born son. I was probably an Army medic on my way to Korea when you were born.
Coolhand Luke has it figured out. Trump has a good plan.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
Chilo I'm talking about the Hillary supporters, note she is even less conservative ![:D]
There is no evidence that Clinton is less conservative then Trump. All we have to go on his is ever changing positions on issues, with no consistency or fixed position. I haven't seen any Hillary supporters here. Why is it any one that dare point out the obvious problems with candidate Trump they must be a Hillary supporter? Why are Trump supporters always attempting to stifle speech with this "us vs them" mentality, including criticism of their chosen candidate? If you are not drinking the kool aid and willing to dismiss all juvenile behavior that trump exhibits you must be a Hillary supporter.
Clinton does not have one conservative bone in her baggy body. The reason we are so defensive of Trump is because if he doesn't win there will be no tomorrow in our lifetime or yours for America as we have known it. Somehow some of you don't seem to realize what 3 or 4 liberal judges on the supreme court will do to this country.
We are not only on the verge of losing the 2nd amendment but probably some of the others also. If you think you have free speech now your wrong. It will get much worse. Without the second there is no way to assure the others.
Of course Clinton doesn't have a conservative bone in her body, and frankly neither does Trump. He is only slightly more republican than Bloomberg was when he still had an R by his name. If the 2nd Amendment had been the priority in this primary season then Trump would not have received the nomination. There were far stronger candidates that stood for the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment. The existence of Clinton as a threat to this Republic does not give Trump carte blanche to speak and act like a jackass. At some point he needs to focus on substance, with specifics about how he is going to turn this country around. If Trump truly desires to be President, he needs to recognize his position is to serve America, and humble himself to that end instead of making this about his inflated ego.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
MrPerfect.
You and Trump have a lot in common. You think you can win an argument by insulting people. It only shows how weak your argument is.
I was grown up when you were born son. I was probably an Army medic on my way to Korea when you were born.
Coolhand Luke has it figured out. Trump has a good plan.
If I ever decide to argue anything with you apparently, I will have to let you know. The fact your reading comprehension and reasoning is this bad at your age, really only serves to underscore what I suggested you do earlier.0 -
It will be settled in November and neither is much IMO. I just about can't stand either, but I will vote. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
It's been pretty interesting lately to see a few forum members as well as myself pull away from Trump and his Trumpeteers.
Most of us have posted for years in these forums, and have fought like cats and dogs over some of the smallest of things, and sometimes some pretty big things. We don't agree on a whole host of things, but when we do, I think it is worth noting.
Yet over the last eight years and tens of thousands of posts, I have never even come close to the conclusion that any of these folks are democrat or "liberal" shills. That is simply patently absurd. And they call that sort of name calling and fabrication a lie, where I come from. And if you try to claim you just can't tell who is what, then leave and get educated. It is not a hard distinction to make.
Now, I may be the last Trotskeyite, but all of you under-informed denizens of the peanut gallery, no matter how old you are, or how smart you think you may be, are doing nothing more than parroting your candidate in casting ridiculous aspersions and attempting to suppress legitimate political speech and thought when the truth gets uncomfortable.
Ya'll just had to have him, and now he's yours. It's not like you weren't warned. And I will not cede my right to speak about him to you. What kind of thinking is that ?
If he does not win, it will in all actuality be your fault Clinton is elected because you just had to have such a man as your candidate.
Way to go.
It just baffles the mind to think that AGAIN the GOP is running a democrat in the hopes that they will beat a democrat come election time. Do you suppose they will soon figure out that they will always be "out democrated" in such a scenario?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
Yet over the last eight years and tens of thousands of posts, I have never even come close to the conclusion that any of these folks are democrat or "liberal" shills. That is simply patently absurd. And they call that sort of name calling and fabrication a lie, where I come from. And if you try to claim you just can't tell who is what, then leave and get educated. It is not a hard distinction to make.
Now, I may be the last Trotskeyite, but all of you under-informed denizens of the peanut gallery, no matter how old you are, or how smart you think you may be, are doing nothing more than parroting your candidate in casting ridiculous aspersions and attempting to suppress legitimate political speech and thought when the truth gets uncomfortable.
Ya'll just had to have him, and now he's yours. It's not like you weren't warned. And I will not cede my right to speak about him to you. What kind of thinking is that ?
If he does not win, it will in all actuality be your fault Clinton is elected because you just had to have such a man as your candidate.
Way to go.
Exactly....I appreciate those comments, much more eloquent then I tend to manage.0 -
Barzillia.
What were we to do? pick another McCain.Dole, or Romney. Jeb Bush? Give me a break. The same old same old gets the same old results.
Trump was picked overwhelmingly. It's not like I'm the only one thinking this way. He's not a professional liar like the rest of them. People were lied to by the Republican establishment time after time to the point where their lies didn't work anymore. They were going to defund This and that but did nothing. It was all a show while they collected from big money to stay in power.
Cruze was in debt to Goldman Sachs where his wife worked for years.
Kasich's super pack was collecting money from George Soros. Jeb Bush was bought and paid for. Rand Paul never had a chance in hell. On and on and on. So we got something new. It's a long shot but the only shot we got. Gary Johnson? all we need is a pot head.0 -
At this point considering there is no other alternative, I still say bewildering anti Trump analogy ! 
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quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
It's been pretty interesting lately to see a few forum members as well as myself pull away from Trump and his Trumpeteers.
Most of us have posted for years in these forums, and have fought like cats and dogs over some of the smallest of things, and sometimes some pretty big things. We don't agree on a whole host of things, but when we do, I think it is worth noting.
Yet over the last eight years and tens of thousands of posts, I have never even come close to the conclusion that any of these folks are democrat or "liberal" shills. That is simply patently absurd. And they call that sort of name calling and fabrication a lie, where I come from. And if you try to claim you just can't tell who is what, then leave and get educated. It is not a hard distinction to make.
Now, I may be the last Trotskeyite, but all of you under-informed denizens of the peanut gallery, no matter how old you are, or how smart you think you may be, are doing nothing more than parroting your candidate in casting ridiculous aspersions and attempting to suppress legitimate political speech and thought when the truth gets uncomfortable.
Ya'll just had to have him, and now he's yours. It's not like you weren't warned. And I will not cede my right to speak about him to you. What kind of thinking is that ?
If he does not win, it will in all actuality be your fault Clinton is elected because you just had to have such a man as your candidate.
Way to go.
+1
By the time November comes around, Trumps ardent supporters are going to chase away half the folks that were going to hold their nose and vote for him. Whose fault will that be?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
It's been pretty interesting lately to see a few forum members as well as myself pull away from Trump and his Trumpeteers.
Most of us have posted for years in these forums, and have fought like cats and dogs over some of the smallest of things, and sometimes some pretty big things. We don't agree on a whole host of things, but when we do, I think it is worth noting.
Yet over the last eight years and tens of thousands of posts, I have never even come close to the conclusion that any of these folks are democrat or "liberal" shills. That is simply patently absurd. And they call that sort of name calling and fabrication a lie, where I come from. And if you try to claim you just can't tell who is what, then leave and get educated. It is not a hard distinction to make.
Now, I may be the last Trotskeyite, but all of you under-informed denizens of the peanut gallery, no matter how old you are, or how smart you think you may be, are doing nothing more than parroting your candidate in casting ridiculous aspersions and attempting to suppress legitimate political speech and thought when the truth gets uncomfortable.
Ya'll just had to have him, and now he's yours. It's not like you weren't warned. And I will not cede my right to speak about him to you. What kind of thinking is that ?
If he does not win, it will in all actuality be your fault Clinton is elected because you just had to have such a man as your candidate.
Way to go.
+1
By the time November comes around, Trumps ardent supporters are going to chase away half the folks that were going to hold their nose and vote for him. Whose fault will that be?
Amen. And jerrywh is doing such a good job of it, I almost wonder if he's some sort of Hillary plant.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
It's been pretty interesting lately to see a few forum members as well as myself pull away from Trump and his Trumpeteers.
Most of us have posted for years in these forums, and have fought like cats and dogs over some of the smallest of things, and sometimes some pretty big things. We don't agree on a whole host of things, but when we do, I think it is worth noting.
Yet over the last eight years and tens of thousands of posts, I have never even come close to the conclusion that any of these folks are democrat or "liberal" shills. That is simply patently absurd. And they call that sort of name calling and fabrication a lie, where I come from. And if you try to claim you just can't tell who is what, then leave and get educated. It is not a hard distinction to make.
Now, I may be the last Trotskeyite, but all of you under-informed denizens of the peanut gallery, no matter how old you are, or how smart you think you may be, are doing nothing more than parroting your candidate in casting ridiculous aspersions and attempting to suppress legitimate political speech and thought when the truth gets uncomfortable.
Ya'll just had to have him, and now he's yours. It's not like you weren't warned. And I will not cede my right to speak about him to you. What kind of thinking is that ?
If he does not win, it will in all actuality be your fault Clinton is elected because you just had to have such a man as your candidate.
Way to go.+1
By the time November comes around, Trumps ardent supporters are going to chase away half the folks that were going to hold their nose and vote for him. Whose fault will that be?Sadly, yep, they are nothing more than wind up automatons that on cue, with the flip of a lever, regurgitate the same old tired rhetoric! Certainly not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Old-Colts
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
It's been pretty interesting lately to see a few forum members as well as myself pull away from Trump and his Trumpeteers.
Most of us have posted for years in these forums, and have fought like cats and dogs over some of the smallest of things, and sometimes some pretty big things. We don't agree on a whole host of things, but when we do, I think it is worth noting.
Yet over the last eight years and tens of thousands of posts, I have never even come close to the conclusion that any of these folks are democrat or "liberal" shills. That is simply patently absurd. And they call that sort of name calling and fabrication a lie, where I come from. And if you try to claim you just can't tell who is what, then leave and get educated. It is not a hard distinction to make.
Now, I may be the last Trotskeyite, but all of you under-informed denizens of the peanut gallery, no matter how old you are, or how smart you think you may be, are doing nothing more than parroting your candidate in casting ridiculous aspersions and attempting to suppress legitimate political speech and thought when the truth gets uncomfortable.
Ya'll just had to have him, and now he's yours. It's not like you weren't warned. And I will not cede my right to speak about him to you. What kind of thinking is that ?
If he does not win, it will in all actuality be your fault Clinton is elected because you just had to have such a man as your candidate.
Way to go.+1
By the time November comes around, Trumps ardent supporters are going to chase away half the folks that were going to hold their nose and vote for him. Whose fault will that be?Sadly, yep, they are nothing more than wind up automatons that on cue, with the flip of a lever, regurgitate the same old tired rhetoric! Certainly not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier!
exactly +1000 ,thank you both barzilla & marc13010 -
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quote:Originally posted by CoolhandLuke
Not the first time I feel I detect liberal overtone's in this here forum.
You must be talking about the Trump supporters, because he is clearly not conservative.
Looks conservative to me.
Trumps position on the Second Amendment:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights
Think I'd put more faith in what Trump says on his WEBSITE rather than endless "spin" by the liberal media or even the conservative media.
Vetrans Administration:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/veterans-administration-reforms0
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