you may not want to vote for trump but remember
its only 4 years, but the liberal judge hillary will put in will be for life, and that damage will not be easily reversed
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quote:Originally posted by topdad
Left turn goes to hell, and right turn might go to hell also.
If that (might) is all I have, then that's the way I'll go.[B)]
That's kind of all we have left at this point. A vote for anyone other than Trump gives Hildabeast the edge, and we all know what's down that road. While Trump has done things in the past that I disagree with, I would rather take a chance on him than deal with the consequences of a Shrillery presidency. People change. Hell, Reagan was a Democrat for a lot of years before he saw the light, other than that 1986 foible. I know a lot of you are dead set against Trump, but at this point we have a choice of for sure lighting the country on fire with Hillary, or taking a chance that Trump might do what he says.0 -
Not that it matters, but during Trump's speech last night was anyone else reminded of the movie 'Stepford Wives'? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by topdad
Left turn goes to hell, and right turn might go to hell also.
If that (might) is all I have, then that's the way I'll go.[B)]
That's kind of all we have left at this point. A vote for anyone other than Trump gives Hildabeast the edge, and we all know what's down that road. While Trump has done things in the past that I disagree with, I would rather take a chance on him than deal with the consequences of a Shrillery presidency. People change. Hell, Reagan was a Democrat for a lot of years before he saw the light, other than that 1986 foible. I know a lot of you are dead set against Trump, but at this point we have a choice of for sure lighting the country on fire with Hillary, or taking a chance that Trump might do what he says.
Reagan appealed to our better nature during his campaign, and carried that spirit into his Presidency. Trump appeals to our baser instincts, and don't see that as being a positive in a President. In my mind, voting for Trump is a problem. I cannot and will not vote for the self-serving cad that has been campaigning to date. I don't see how I can trust him if he completely changes his stripes in a calculated effort to become Presidential so as to attract the reasonable voter.
A conundrum. When engaging in a scorched earth campaign, it is extremely difficult to retrace your steps and find something growing that you can nurture.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by topdad
Left turn goes to hell, and right turn might go to hell also.
If that (might) is all I have, then that's the way I'll go.[B)]
That's kind of all we have left at this point. A vote for anyone other than Trump gives Hildabeast the edge, and we all know what's down that road. While Trump has done things in the past that I disagree with, I would rather take a chance on him than deal with the consequences of a Shrillery presidency. People change. Hell, Reagan was a Democrat for a lot of years before he saw the light, other than that 1986 foible. I know a lot of you are dead set against Trump, but at this point we have a choice of for sure lighting the country on fire with Hillary, or taking a chance that Trump might do what he says.
Reagan appealed to our better nature during his campaign, and carried that spirit into his Presidency. Trump appeals to our baser instincts, and don't see that as being a positive in a President. In my mind, voting for Trump is a problem. I cannot and will not vote for the self-serving cad that has been campaigning to date. I don't see how I can trust him if he completely changes his stripes in a calculated effort to become Presidential so as to attract the reasonable voter.
A conundrum. When engaging in a scorched earth campaign, it is extremely difficult to retrace your steps and find something growing that you can nurture.
I agree, it's a conundrum. I don't really want to vote for Trump, but I'm realist enough to see that, other than Hillary, he's the only option. Folks that are going to vote for Johnson (and I mean no disrespect, nor am I trying to provoke a fight) may as well stay home. He has even less traction at this point than Kasich. We seem to have reached a point where our two choices are either 'the devil we know' (Hillary) or 'the devil we don't know' (Trump). Knowing what we know about Hillary, I'll be taking a chance on the other devil, and may God help us all.0 -
quote:Originally posted by skicat
I don't believe Trump is a conservative.
I don't believe he understands the Constitution.
I don't believe he understands the position and limits of the Presidency.
I believe he lacks a moral compass.
I believe the ability to earn money is irrelevant as a qualification.
I don't believe he will capture the women's vote.
I don't believe he will get the minority vote. Any flavor.
I don't believe he has a chance in hell of beating the cankle queen.
I believe he will make deals to suit himself and not to defend a moral or Constitutional position.
I believe he will trade away justice selections for political expediency as it suits him.
I believe he has manufactured his new branding of himself to gull the dis-satisfied right leaning mob.
I believe a vote for Trump is actually a vote for Hillary or at best a Hillary light real estate huckster sporting a rented conservative sandwich board.
I believe we are fooked.[xx(][xx(][xx(]
You forgot that he has exactly Zero of the women's vote. Other than that omission, I completely agree with you.0 -
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by topdad
Left turn goes to hell, and right turn might go to hell also.
If that (might) is all I have, then that's the way I'll go.[B)]
That's kind of all we have left at this point. A vote for anyone other than Trump gives Hildabeast the edge, and we all know what's down that road. While Trump has done things in the past that I disagree with, I would rather take a chance on him than deal with the consequences of a Shrillery presidency. People change. Hell, Reagan was a Democrat for a lot of years before he saw the light, other than that 1986 foible. I know a lot of you are dead set against Trump, but at this point we have a choice of for sure lighting the country on fire with Hillary, or taking a chance that Trump might do what he says.
Reagan appealed to our better nature during his campaign, and carried that spirit into his Presidency. Trump appeals to our baser instincts, and don't see that as being a positive in a President. In my mind, voting for Trump is a problem. I cannot and will not vote for the self-serving cad that has been campaigning to date. I don't see how I can trust him if he completely changes his stripes in a calculated effort to become Presidential so as to attract the reasonable voter.
A conundrum. When engaging in a scorched earth campaign, it is extremely difficult to retrace your steps and find something growing that you can nurture.
I agree, it's a conundrum. I don't really want to vote for Trump, but I'm realist enough to see that, other than Hillary, he's the only option. Folks that are going to vote for Johnson (and I mean no disrespect, nor am I trying to provoke a fight) may as well stay home. He has even less traction at this point than Kasich. We seem to have reached a point where our two choices are either 'the devil we know' (Hillary) or 'the devil we don't know' (Trump). Knowing what we know about Hillary, I'll be taking a chance on the other devil, and may God help us all.
Oh, but Trump is a devil we know. It's not like he came out of nowhere. Trump has been front and center for a long, long time. We have his record on any number of issues. Do you honestly think that he is going to completely about face his entire life and govern constitutionally? It's seems so improbable as to be absurd.0 -
It's a genuine pleasure to have the lesser of two evils plantation owners pissin' and moaning about having to vote for someone they don't like. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by topdad
Left turn goes to hell, and right turn might go to hell also.
If that (might) is all I have, then that's the way I'll go.[B)]
That's kind of all we have left at this point. A vote for anyone other than Trump gives Hildabeast the edge, and we all know what's down that road. While Trump has done things in the past that I disagree with, I would rather take a chance on him than deal with the consequences of a Shrillery presidency. People change. Hell, Reagan was a Democrat for a lot of years before he saw the light, other than that 1986 foible. I know a lot of you are dead set against Trump, but at this point we have a choice of for sure lighting the country on fire with Hillary, or taking a chance that Trump might do what he says.
Reagan appealed to our better nature during his campaign, and carried that spirit into his Presidency. Trump appeals to our baser instincts, and don't see that as being a positive in a President. In my mind, voting for Trump is a problem. I cannot and will not vote for the self-serving cad that has been campaigning to date. I don't see how I can trust him if he completely changes his stripes in a calculated effort to become Presidential so as to attract the reasonable voter.
A conundrum. When engaging in a scorched earth campaign, it is extremely difficult to retrace your steps and find something growing that you can nurture.
I agree, it's a conundrum. I don't really want to vote for Trump, but I'm realist enough to see that, other than Hillary, he's the only option. Folks that are going to vote for Johnson (and I mean no disrespect, nor am I trying to provoke a fight) may as well stay home. He has even less traction at this point than Kasich. We seem to have reached a point where our two choices are either 'the devil we know' (Hillary) or 'the devil we don't know' (Trump). Knowing what we know about Hillary, I'll be taking a chance on the other devil, and may God help us all.
I fully understand and appreciate your position, NeoBlackdog.
I will most likely be going the other direction this year, and once again will vote for a candidate instead of against one. Trump may surprise me, and it would be a big surprise. So, given that, I will not say never, though I probably could.0 -
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
I agree, it's a conundrum.
When and how did this get turned into a birth control thread?0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
I agree, it's a conundrum.
When and how did this get turned into a birth control thread?
Because the whole process has become a fricken abortion?0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
Trump may be running as a republican, but he is not conservative. Saying a vote for anyone but Trump is a vote for Clinton suggests more people in the US want her than Trump. Let's hope a lot of people want neither.
The last two elections the TRUE CONSERVATIVES had their A** handed to them in their hat. Glad we're not trying for three in a row?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
I agree, it's a conundrum.
When and how did this get turned into a birth control thread?
Because the whole process has become a fricken abortion?
Amen and pass the ammunition.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mr. Perfect
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
I agree, it's a conundrum.
When and how did this get turned into a birth control thread?
Because the whole process has become a fricken abortion?
Amen and pass the ammunition.
On that, brother, we concur!0 -
quote:Originally posted by skicat
I don't believe Trump is a conservative.
I don't believe he understands the Constitution.
I don't believe he understands the position and limits of the Presidency.
I believe he lacks a moral compass.
I believe the ability to earn money is irrelevant as a qualification.
I don't believe he will capture the women's vote.
I don't believe he will get the minority vote. Any flavor.
I don't believe he has a chance in hell of beating the cankle queen.
I believe he will make deals to suit himself and not to defend a moral or Constitutional position.
I believe he will trade away justice selections for political expediency as it suits him.
I believe he has manufactured his new branding of himself to gull the dis-satisfied right leaning mob.
I believe a vote for Trump is actually a vote for Hillary or at best a Hillary light real estate huckster sporting a rented conservative sandwich board.
I believe we are fooked.[xx(][xx(][xx(]
As much as I am not a Trump fan, I am a fan of reality and facts. Many of the things you say can be put in the 'Personal Opinion' category, and you are as welcome to them as any.
I disagree with the statement about "the ability to earn money is irrelevant as a qualification". It may not be a qualification, but it is surely something in his resume that resonates with people, given the exit polls all saying that 'The Economy/Jobs' is the #1 concern of people voting. That is significant in any election match-up going forward.
Other things you state are not borne out by the facts. The latest Rasmussen polls show Trump leading Hillary, and while he trails Clinton 34% to 44% of women, he also leads her by 48% of men vs 35% for Clinton. She is also weak among younger voters, usually a strong area for demorats, and Trump leads Independents 37% to 31%, with the balance preferring another candidate. Since that poll was taken when other candidates were still in the race, after Cruz and Kasich go away, and The Bern flames out, there is a coming realignment among unaffiliated voters that could be very significant.
Another factor that jumps off the page of the Rasmussen results, is that Clinton is only getting 71% of the black vote, 45% of other minorities, and just 33% of whites. Expect that to worsen for her as the mexican protesters keep flying the mexican flag and saying they want to 'Make America Mexico Again'. Blacks don't like mexicans, whites don't like being threatened, and many legal immigrants don't like the illegals. Don't just take my word for it. Van Jones wrote recently of his concerns that many blacks will support Trump. I happen to agree with him, strange as that is to write.
Trump doesn't have to "capture the women's vote" or "get the minority vote". He just needs to keep Hillary from getting the overwhelming majorities that backed Chocolate Jesus, and the democratic 'interest/ethnic group' coalition fails to win.
Political evaluation is best done with a cool head, little emotion, and as comprehensive a grasp of the facts as can be managed. It is remarkable how seldom that happens.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cranky2
I'll take my chances with the liberal judges trump might appoint over the ones I know hillary will.
Trumps stand on our constitution, and bill of rights is pretty clear, defend our country, and let those that are able defend themselves, family, home, car.
I don't think trump will be one to put a judge in place that will vote against our 2nd amendment.0 -
If Trump is the same as Hillary, why are liberals going so beserk at the thought of his nomination?
People have been bitching for years that the GOP needs a revolution. The closest we have gotten so far had been Ron Paul.
No the GOP oligarchy has been overthrown and people are pissed because they don't like the guy who did it.
Think about it. The party leadership is so inept that they couldn't muster a candidate who could beat a guy who started out in low single digits.
I do not like Trump. I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I will vote for him in the general. The court swings on this election. The electoral map looks bleak for any republican, so this might be the last shot we have before the wave of third worlders and takers overwhelms us.
No one is going to give two slimes about your "principles" once Hillary appoints her justices.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
I do not like Trump. I did not vote for Trump in the primary. I will vote for him in the general. The court swings on this election. The electoral map looks bleak for any republican, so this might be the last shot we have before the wave of third worlders and takers overwhelms us.
No one is going to give two slimes about your "principles" once Hillary appoints her justices.
This is the only argument for Trump worth discussion, and it's the same argument I raised for THE reason he shouldn't be the Republican nominee.
Trump has said next to nothing about his potential nominee(s). He has said he likes Clarence Thomas and he has said his sister, Maryanne Trump Barry would be a phenomenal Supreme Court Justice. If you want to know what kind of justices Trump will nominate, learn about Maryanne Trump Barry, Senior United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.
Trump scrupulously avoids telling us anything about the type of judges he would nominate, much less a list of possible nominees. This tells me he knows I ain't gonna like what he has to say or what he plans to do.0 -
James,
First of all, it's his sister. Anyone who says they expect him to come out and blast his sister publically is setting an unreasonable standard. What is he supposed to say? "My sister is an enemy of the Constitution"
Second....even if your argument is accepted and we admit that we don't really know what kind of judge Trump would nominate, how is that worse than what we know Hillary will nominate?
Trump *might* nominate a liberal judge....Hillary *will* nominate a liberal judge.
Third.....I think all of us here will agree that Trump built his political base on working class white men. He is obviously running for President because he wants the job....and I imagine he has ideas of doing great things. Like nearly every other man who has held the office in modern times, I also suspect he would seek a second term.
That being said.....why in the hell would Trump the President pursue policies that would destroy his political power base?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
quote:Originally posted by NeoBlackdog
quote:Originally posted by topdad
Left turn goes to hell, and right turn might go to hell also.
If that (might) is all I have, then that's the way I'll go.[B)]
That's kind of all we have left at this point. A vote for anyone other than Trump gives Hildabeast the edge, and we all know what's down that road. While Trump has done things in the past that I disagree with, I would rather take a chance on him than deal with the consequences of a Shrillery presidency. People change. Hell, Reagan was a Democrat for a lot of years before he saw the light, other than that 1986 foible. I know a lot of you are dead set against Trump, but at this point we have a choice of for sure lighting the country on fire with Hillary, or taking a chance that Trump might do what he says.
Reagan appealed to our better nature during his campaign, and carried that spirit into his Presidency. Trump appeals to our baser instincts, and don't see that as being a positive in a President. In my mind, voting for Trump is a problem. I cannot and will not vote for the self-serving cad that has been campaigning to date. I don't see how I can trust him if he completely changes his stripes in a calculated effort to become Presidential so as to attract the reasonable voter.
A conundrum. When engaging in a scorched earth campaign, it is extremely difficult to retrace your steps and find something growing that you can nurture.
Burning is good for the soil!...in fact its a necessity...to produce new foodstuff...0 -
quote:Originally posted by slumlord44
Neither of the above will definitely get Hillary elected. That's definitely not good for gun owners. Trump is the lesser of the two evils. My fear is that the Republicans Party will torpedo Trump at the convention and nominate a choice of their own. This could disfranchise the party and cause them to stay home or vote independent which will give it to Clinton which will not be good.
Clinton already has the election. My fear is what Trump will do to the down ticket. The Republicans could lose both houses of Congress & much more in lesser races across the country. The whole country might wind up looking like the Demokratik People's Republik of Kalifornia.0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
quote:Originally posted by CaptFun
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
Rumor has it the liberal justices Trump will nominate
Rumor spread by the RINO establishment and the liberal media. Got proof? We know what the Hildabeast will do.
It's kinda hard to "prove" what somebody intends to do, but I have the same proof anybody has for the justices the empty pant suit will nominate. Nothing but his history and the fact that he is and has always been a liberal New York City Democrat.
So, what will you do with your vote, James?0 -
The last two elections will be repeated. Hitlary will be president. Morals and personal values guarentees she will win. The personal values of those whonrefuse to vote for the lessor of the evils ALWAYS places the most evil in office. 8 years of Klinton and 8 years of Oblammer have proven this to be true. Trump will never win, we will be given Klinton just as we were given Klinton before and just as we were given Oblammer.
Sleep well gentlemen, you stuck to your standards. Another 8 years of hell is upon us and it is your shoulders upon which the blame rests.0 -
Aww geeze, I didn't pay attention when I used my username to find this thread and accidentaly replied to a topic in politics. Son't bother replying to my comment, I won't be back to check [V] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Big Sky Redneck
The last two elections will be repeated. Hitlary will be president. Morals and personal values guarentees she will win. The personal values of those whonrefuse to vote for the lessor of the evils ALWAYS places the most evil in office. 8 years of Klinton and 8 years of Oblammer have proven this to be true. Trump will never win, we will be given Klinton just as we were given Klinton before and just as we were given Oblammer.
Sleep well gentlemen, you stuck to your standards. Another 8 years of hell is upon us and it is your shoulders upon which the blame rests.
If everyone who was holding his nose to vote for Trump or Clinton voted for a Constitutional, small government, liberty minded candidate, that candidate would win.
Break the bonds that hold you to two party servitude, my countrymen. Freedom and Liberty are within your grasp, you just have to release the demons that have subjugated you for the past 100 years.0 -
It's truly a sad day when morals and standards are despised. What is wrong with people?[xx(] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
So, what will you do with your vote, James?
Well James, On the Presidential Ticket if I had to vote today I'd probably have to vote for Harvey Keck or Daffy Duck. If anybody can convince me between now and Election Day the orange headed scum ball clown New York City Democrat actually intends to nominate Americans to the Supreme Court I'll consider swallowing my pride and vote Republican. The chances of that happening look pretty slim. I don't think it matters very much anyway. I voted for McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012 and they still didn't save America.
Find out what you can about the clown's sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, a Senior United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Trump has said she is the type of Justice he wants on the U. S. Supreme Court.
Harvey Keck was a fictional character that took the blame for everything that went wrong in Boot Camp. I recently found out there really is a Harvey Keck, but he ain't the one I'm talking about.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Break the bonds that hold you to two party servitude, my countrymen. Freedom and Liberty are within your grasp, you just have to release the demons that have subjugated you for the past 100 years.
That's exactly what people have just done.
They rejected everyone the Republican party establishment pushed in front of them.
Folks have been demanding the whole corrupt system be burned down for years and now they won't support the guy who showed up with gasoline and matches.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
James,
First of all, it's his sister. Anyone who says they expect him to come out and blast his sister publically is setting an unreasonable standard. What is he supposed to say? "My sister is an enemy of the Constitution"
Second....even if your argument is accepted and we admit that we don't really know what kind of judge Trump would nominate, how is that worse than what we know Hillary will nominate?
Trump *might* nominate a liberal judge....Hillary *will* nominate a liberal judge.
Third.....I think all of us here will agree that Trump built his political base on working class white men. He is obviously running for President because he wants the job....and I imagine he has ideas of doing great things. Like nearly every other man who has held the office in modern times, I also suspect he would seek a second term.
That being said.....why in the hell would Trump the President pursue policies that would destroy his political power base?
He didn't need to bring her up at all. When asked what kind of judge he intended to nominate for Supreme Court Justice he volunteered that he intended to appoint judges "like" his sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, a Senior United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Trump has said she is the type of Justice he wants on the U. S. Supreme Court. That takes "might" out of your calculation.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
Break the bonds that hold you to two party servitude, my countrymen. Freedom and Liberty are within your grasp, you just have to release the demons that have subjugated you for the past 100 years.
That's exactly what people have just done.
They rejected everyone the Republican party establishment pushed in front of them.
Folks have been demanding the whole corrupt system be burned down for years and now they won't support the guy who showed up with gasoline and matches.
They have done no such thing. They have simply selected a man who has lived and worked within that corrupted system his entire adult life, and professes to have been a part of that very corruption as well. Trump may very well have done serious damage to the Republican party, but he has said an done nothing that would remotely suggest he advocates for any even minor swing towards a more Constitutional Government or the return to the citizens the Liberties and Freedoms that have been encroached upon over the past decades.
Burning down a corrupt system while promising to create a bigger and more intrusive one does not seem like a real good choice, IMO.0 -
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
Burning is good for the soil!...in fact its a necessity...to produce new foodstuff...
So does tossing crap everywhere.
Does this make Trump a farmer?0
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