An honest, open discussion on LGBT?
May we have one here?
I would like to air some thoughts on the subject, based on my life experience.
Every one that I know, personally, who is that way, has had some sort of traumatic or abusive situation occur in their life, at some point.
The girls were abused by an adult male, the boys had an abusive father or overbearing mother, the girls dated black guys because no white guy would be seen with them, etc, etc.
A girl I used to work with got rejected at all the dances and proms, etc., because she was/is ugly. She has projected that into her current lifestyle/philosophy/politics, etc.
She was also abused by a male family member at around 8 years old.
She has become a very mean, vindictive, and easily provoked person, it is very difficult to be around her. She prefers "Black men", because they're not judgemental, when it comes to looks.
I don't blame her, or any others for the way they feel, or for what may or may not have happened to them.
A fellow I know was rejected by his mother, abused by some adult males, and came to realize he was "G-A-Y". REALLY?
I can try and understand what they are going through. I would want revenge, or some sort of justice for what happened.
Unfortunately, I had nothing to do with it and I am tired of this perversion and abnormality being perpetrated on our country as if it is just OK.
It is not.
There is a problem here and has been for probably all of time.
I am only referring to the LG here.
As far as the BT, you'll have defer to Don.
Please, discuss.
I would like to air some thoughts on the subject, based on my life experience.
Every one that I know, personally, who is that way, has had some sort of traumatic or abusive situation occur in their life, at some point.
The girls were abused by an adult male, the boys had an abusive father or overbearing mother, the girls dated black guys because no white guy would be seen with them, etc, etc.
A girl I used to work with got rejected at all the dances and proms, etc., because she was/is ugly. She has projected that into her current lifestyle/philosophy/politics, etc.
She was also abused by a male family member at around 8 years old.
She has become a very mean, vindictive, and easily provoked person, it is very difficult to be around her. She prefers "Black men", because they're not judgemental, when it comes to looks.
I don't blame her, or any others for the way they feel, or for what may or may not have happened to them.
A fellow I know was rejected by his mother, abused by some adult males, and came to realize he was "G-A-Y". REALLY?
I can try and understand what they are going through. I would want revenge, or some sort of justice for what happened.
Unfortunately, I had nothing to do with it and I am tired of this perversion and abnormality being perpetrated on our country as if it is just OK.
It is not.
There is a problem here and has been for probably all of time.
I am only referring to the LG here.
As far as the BT, you'll have defer to Don.
Please, discuss.
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LGBT Terms and Definitions. LGBT - Lesbian, happy, Bisexual, Transgender.
Transgender: denoting or relating to a person whose self-identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional notions of male or female gender.
Think "BT" was added years ago to form a larger group. As if one was needed.
Raised two boys in Colombia S.A. who where aged 10 / 12. One required chore they HATED was washing and drying dishes.
We were at the dinner table when when one of them said washing dishes caused people to become happy. happys made a lot less money. Their mother confirmed it's what she thought.
Told them they'd better get used to washing dishes and find a very rich happy.
12 years later both are straight.0 -
Liberal-progressives know that to get their way, to win, they must destroy the traditional, conservative way of life and replace it with their perverted, totalitarian version of society.
The LGBT thing is merely one part of their attack on a society and way of life that has brought us the civilization the liberal-progressives are trying to replace.
LBGTs can do whatever they want to one another. So what? But the essential thing for liberal-progressives is to force others to accept them without qualification or reservation.
To this end, they are passing one law after another to force LBGTs down our throats. Forcing us to allow male queens to use female restrooms and vice versa. Forcing those with religious reservations to accept LBGTs into their homes, private clubs, and businesses. Forbidding anyone to mention LBGTs in a critical manner. Demanding that everyone agree with their liberal-progressive philosophies or be attacked, physically and vocally, for their disagreement.
It is disgraceful how ready most Americans are to surrender their freedom, their liberty, in the service of political correctness determined and defined by the liberal-progressive tyranny.0 -
quote:Originally posted by RobOz
Are all sins equal in Gods eye?
There are 6 different verses in the NT that quote Jesus saying to the effect that judgment for one group will be "more tolerable" than for another.
That leads me to believe that, no, sins aren't all the same.
And similarly, there are several verses that suggest greater or lesser "reward".
Mat 16:27 says explicitly: For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
This passage suggests rewards both good and bad, and they are "according to his works". Since one man's works are not equal to another man's it only stands to reason that the rewards will be of varying degree, from this passage alone. But there are others.
There are many other passages that deal similarly with rewards.
One can only conclude, from studying them, that there are indeed varying rewards. Some are noted specifically as being "great".
That all sin carries the consequence of eternal separation from God, it often gets lost in the mix that there are indeed differing levels of punishment.
That all those saved by grace through faith are promised to be eternally in God's presence, it often gets lost that there are differing levels of reward, as well.
Bringing this discussion back to the topic of the OP, it should be noted that sexual perversion, in particular, is called an abomination by God. Other sins are not given the same distinction, leading the reader to conclude that the abominable sins of sexual perversion are worse than others.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tallcharlie
Liberal-progressives know that to get their way, to win, they must destroy the traditional, conservative way of life and replace it with their perverted, totalitarian version of society.
The LGBT thing is merely one part of their attack on a society and way of life that has brought us the civilization the liberal-progressives are trying to replace.
LBGTs can do whatever they want to one another. So what? But the essential thing for liberal-progressives is to force others to accept them without qualification or reservation.
To this end, they are passing one law after another to force LBGTs down our throats. Forcing us to allow male queens to use female restrooms and vice versa. Forcing those with religious reservations to accept LBGTs into their homes, private clubs, and businesses. Forbidding anyone to mention LBGTs in a critical manner. Demanding that everyone agree with their liberal-progressive philosophies or be attacked, physically and vocally, for their disagreement.
It is disgraceful how ready most Americans are to surrender their freedom, their liberty, in the service of political correctness determined and defined by the liberal-progressive tyranny.
tallcharlie.
I agree with you 100% on that. They are using it to gain the votes of the immoral. What I am trying to say is there is a fraction of happys and lesbians that are legitimate. I don't think that fraction is very large though. I believe most of those who profess that are just immoral. It's the democrat party and the immoral who are trying to promote it for votes. In my opinion the Democrat party is the party of the ungodly. Only a bunch of ungodly people would promote immorality for political reasons. I resent it as much as anybody having it pushed on me from every angle. Also it seems that every movie and documentary made is subtly using the anti racism to brain wash society and they think we are to stupid to be aware of it.
Even the commercials are constructed to brain wash us racially of sexually in many cases. It infers that we are all racist or bigots of some type and I resent the heck out of it.
It is very evident that One political party is trying to destroy Christianity.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
By the way. Did Jesus ever stone anybody to death for anything. Why not? That's the old law isn't it?
Maybe in all your "years" "studying" the word, you noticed that was not why He came... that time.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
kidthatsirish
So if your born physically deformed it's a sin? What is the difference between being mentally retarded or defective in some way at birth and physically deformed ? Are they both a sin? That was Hitlers theory. Kill them all. Your the one who doesn't understand the Bible or God.
I'm positive that God does not hold people responsible for anything they had no part in. I hope you are never judged by your own standards.
All these so called happy people are not the same. Creation is extremely complex. Try to entertain the thought that you might be wrong sometime. I know it's hard.
Do you know that God doesn't love everybody? That's bible.
I just read your profile. I don't see any point in talking with you further.
I guess the whole point of my post went over your head? Wouldn't be the first time I failed to communicate effectively, probably won't be the last. All of mankind has been born with sin nature since the fall. We all have sinned, fact. So what I was trying to illustrate was how the choice or lack of choice to be happy has nothing to do with wether or not people are good or right or whatever they want to call it. At the end of the day we are all sinners and we are born with an inclination towards sin of some sort. That was my point, it's wether or not you live a continued life or repentance and try to turn from sin or do you just accept it as part of your "culture" and accept it.
BTW....what is so terrible about my profile?0 -
kidthatsirish.
If somebody is born retarded can they just chance their mind later on and be OK? There are birth defects and There are people born that are not normal sexually. That is just a known fact. It is a genetic mix-up. just like the seer you we talking about. What choice did it have?0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
kidthatsirish.
If somebody is born retarded can they just chance their mind later on and be OK? There are birth defects and There are people born that are not normal sexually. That is just a known fact. It is a genetic mix-up. just like the seer you we talking about. What choice did it have?
It didnt have a choice but that's not my point, my point is it does not matter! Everyone is born in sin, everyone is born with the inclination to do sinful things because of the fall. Does not matter if your born that way or not, God still says do not do it. Fortunately God made a path of redemption for us through his own sacrifice, so that so long as the person accepts the gift of salvation through Christ and leads a life of repentance they can be saved, regardless of how they were born or the sinful choices of their past. I for one amore grateful for this! I have done many wrong things in my life, but through faith and grace my punishment was paid for. That is the only point I have to make.......btw, what was it about my profile that was so wrong to you....I read it again myself and see nothing so terrible in it.0 -
So when it comes to things like LGBTs using the restrooms for other sexes, forcing people to deal with them if they have genuine objections, and so on, we should change society for the good of the few at the expense of the many?
Give me a break!
You don't change the rules, morals, and laws of an entire society for the benefit of a few sexually confused individuals. No, don't persecute these people, but don't punish others or force them to aid and abet the few.
It's like anything else in a fair society, we don't take away a person's hope or opportunity to improve himself because he's just somewhat different, but likewise we don't penalize others to promote his differences.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
kidthatsirish.
If somebody is born retarded can they just chance their mind later on and be OK? There are birth defects and There are people born that are not normal sexually. That is just a known fact. It is a genetic mix-up. just like the seer you we talking about. What choice did it have?
Come back to the discussion when you have proof that samesexual proclivities in humans is anything other than choice.0 -
No ' You prove it is nothing but choice. I contend that people are born abnormally in a unlimited number of ways you contend that they are not. Anybody can see that they are in every day life. Explain the deer. You contend that mental abnormalities do not exist or are limited to everything else but sexual orientation. Even chickens lay double yoke eggs that's not normal. How about the chicken I told you about? Did that chicken choose to be that way? Give me a logical explanation.
There is a lot of things in the old testament that are irrelevant today. We are not supposed to eat pork according to the old testament.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
No ' You prove it is nothing but choice. I contend that people are born abnormally in a unlimited number of ways you contend that they are not. Anybody can see that they are in every day life. Explain the deer. You contend that mental abnormalities do not exist or are limited to everything else but sexual orientation. Even chickens lay double yoke eggs that's not normal. How about the chicken I told you about? Did that chicken choose to be that way? Give me a logical explanation.
There is a lot of things in the old testament that are irrelevant today. We are not supposed to eat pork according to the old testament.
I'm not the one making excuses for the perverts, you are. So unless you can pony up some evidence that shows they have no say in the matter, shut your hole.0 -
On the matter of choice versus birth defect (?) versus normal human genetic differences, consider the numbers.
Birth defects are relatively rare. LGBT behavior does not seem to be so rare as to fall into that category.
Choice seems to follow trends, fads, and popularity, and increases or decreases with the movements of society. LGBT behavior does appear to increase or decrease with the acceptance given it by the society.
Normal genetic or inherited differences occur at almost constant rates, so many births per thousand, plus or minus a known standard deviation. Because it does appear to vary in response to the societal controls - taboos, mores, morals, laws, etiquette, etc - and does not exhibit a more or less constant rate of occurrence, LGBT behavior does not seem to fit this category.
Therefore, while there may be and likely are exceptions due to mutation and genetic causes, the vast majority of LGBT behavior seems likely to be a life choice of the individual, and there is much evidence to support this conclusion.0 -
Happy couples demanded marriage as being the only soultion to equality which it never will be. The Government is corrupt to no end however!
Abortion is a greater deviant of legislation that commits legal murder which makes America a mockery of ideas of honor and caring a higher sense of justice and liberty for all, it will fail in the end like all man's governments.
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quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
No ' You prove it is nothing but choice. I contend that people are born abnormally in a unlimited number of ways you contend that they are not. Anybody can see that they are in every day life. Explain the deer. You contend that mental abnormalities do not exist or are limited to everything else but sexual orientation. Even chickens lay double yoke eggs that's not normal. How about the chicken I told you about? Did that chicken choose to be that way? Give me a logical explanation.
There is a lot of things in the old testament that are irrelevant today. We are not supposed to eat pork according to the old testament.
Please provide the evidence that query behaviors are the result of anything genetic or environmental.
This has to do with database operations how?0 -
Well to end this thread on a high note it is important to point out the House of Saud has it solved using the religion of peace.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/03/saudis-to-execute-happys-who-show-their-sexuality-in-public-and-online0
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