An honest, open discussion on LGBT?
May we have one here?
I would like to air some thoughts on the subject, based on my life experience.
Every one that I know, personally, who is that way, has had some sort of traumatic or abusive situation occur in their life, at some point.
The girls were abused by an adult male, the boys had an abusive father or overbearing mother, the girls dated black guys because no white guy would be seen with them, etc, etc.
A girl I used to work with got rejected at all the dances and proms, etc., because she was/is ugly. She has projected that into her current lifestyle/philosophy/politics, etc.
She was also abused by a male family member at around 8 years old.
She has become a very mean, vindictive, and easily provoked person, it is very difficult to be around her. She prefers "Black men", because they're not judgemental, when it comes to looks.
I don't blame her, or any others for the way they feel, or for what may or may not have happened to them.
A fellow I know was rejected by his mother, abused by some adult males, and came to realize he was "G-A-Y". REALLY?
I can try and understand what they are going through. I would want revenge, or some sort of justice for what happened.
Unfortunately, I had nothing to do with it and I am tired of this perversion and abnormality being perpetrated on our country as if it is just OK.
It is not.
There is a problem here and has been for probably all of time.
I am only referring to the LG here.
As far as the BT, you'll have defer to Don.
Please, discuss.
I would like to air some thoughts on the subject, based on my life experience.
Every one that I know, personally, who is that way, has had some sort of traumatic or abusive situation occur in their life, at some point.
The girls were abused by an adult male, the boys had an abusive father or overbearing mother, the girls dated black guys because no white guy would be seen with them, etc, etc.
A girl I used to work with got rejected at all the dances and proms, etc., because she was/is ugly. She has projected that into her current lifestyle/philosophy/politics, etc.
She was also abused by a male family member at around 8 years old.
She has become a very mean, vindictive, and easily provoked person, it is very difficult to be around her. She prefers "Black men", because they're not judgemental, when it comes to looks.
I don't blame her, or any others for the way they feel, or for what may or may not have happened to them.
A fellow I know was rejected by his mother, abused by some adult males, and came to realize he was "G-A-Y". REALLY?
I can try and understand what they are going through. I would want revenge, or some sort of justice for what happened.
Unfortunately, I had nothing to do with it and I am tired of this perversion and abnormality being perpetrated on our country as if it is just OK.
It is not.
There is a problem here and has been for probably all of time.
I am only referring to the LG here.
As far as the BT, you'll have defer to Don.
Please, discuss.
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I think that is a wrong assumption.
The people who are abused, neglected, or otherwise damaged may respond as you describe sometimes but....
People can't control or choose their chromosomes.
Some people for whatever reason, defect, Deity, hormonal imbalance caused by genetically modified food, or whatever have the wrong identity of their outward and obvious physical characteristics.
Other then a rare few, I don't think anyone chooses to be happy.
Just like I can't help being attracted to a sexy female happy people can't help their attractions either.
I don't think you can decide to become a pervert either. Those who are attracted to the undeveloped female/male are sick but I highly doubt a choice is made.
Every family who has a child, sibling, etc. who have provided a loving environment is not at fault for the resulting choices of the off spring as you indicate.0 -
My cousin, Charles, Was happy. His up bringing was the best their could be. His father was a prominent surgeon, his mom was an awesome mother and never over bearing. He had the world by the balls so to say. He was vice President of NBC. For privacy reasons, I didn't state his real name. He passed a few years ago of aids. He had only one partner, since he was 16. He passed when he was 53, with his lifelong partner at his side. He was my favorite cousin and someone that if you ever meant, would consider a mans, man. Played sports, very active in the community and church, big broadly bearded man. Hell, he looked like grizzly Adams[;)]. I miss him and think of him often. Oakie 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigt7mm
quote:Originally posted by bpost
I find it odd the anti-happy group always jumps to the part they know nothing of, the sexual habits of those people openly stating they are happy. There may be many people that are happy and do not partake in sexual interaction with their partners. Just as many straight people are straight and do not have sex with their partners.
I don't care what people do behind closed doors; it is none of my business. I also don't care if they are having sex or not. It is none of my business and causes me no harm in any manner shape or form.
As far as trauma or other outside influence, I don't buy into that theory either.
I find it rather odd that some folks have no comprehension of my original post.
You, being a moderator, stand out and should know better.
I don't care what ANYONE does. Stop trying to make me believe it is normal and acceptable.
I don't care "what you buy into". Facts are facts and I know and have dealt with many who have lived it.
I don't think L&G is normal or necessarily acceptable, it is however none of my business.
Your facts are anecdotal and not supported by most but you are welcome to them. I have no idea what "causes" L or G, most will claim they were born that way. I have no reason to doubt them...0 -
Oh well, killing millions of unborn children is considered by some to be normal and acceptable now, so why not this?
Mark my words, bestiality and pedophilia aren't far behind. If someone is BORN that way, they can't help themselves.
After all, who are WE to judge, or say what is right or wrong?
Right?0 -
I don't care if someone is LGBT, straight, or heavily into sheep. But I do care when someone flaunts his/her sexuality just to get attention, which often seems to be the case: "Look at me -- I'm (fill in the blank) and so proud of myself for being that way." Being it is OK, pushing it as an agenda is not if the promotion offends others. That's just my opinion. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dcon12
quote:Originally posted by bigt7mm
As far as the BT, you'll have defer to Don.
I have no problem with Bacon and Tomato. Don
If only we had lettuce.
Oh, and mayo. Gotta have mayo!0 -
I think some people choose to be happy, but the majority are born wired happy. I say live and let live. Other than that, I don't have a poodle in this fight[;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by RobOz
I think some people choose to be happy, but the majority are born wired happy. I say live and let live. Other than that, I don't have a poodle in this fight[;)]
born that way? so GOD is a contradiction? how could GOD create a person as q-u-e-e-r, then call it a sin? read the chapter of Leviticus, it is one of a few chapters that condems h-o-m-o-s. these things weren't born this way, anymore than a person was born a thief, or a child molester, or a murderer! I laugh when people say its in their genes, or dna! HA! where is the proof? scientists have been able to isolate every gene and dna, but not the q-u-e-e-r gene? huh? strange they cant find it? if people were born this way, explain to me why they cant find the gene, better yet, explain to me why there is documented cases of identical twins born, " they share the same dna, and genes, " yet one of them is q-u-e-e-r and the other is not.
everyone IS born with a sinful nature, this is firmly stated from GOD. we are all told we must master it, or it will consume us. two of my favorite quotes from GOD " there is a way which seemeth right unto man, but in the end death! " and " your ways and thoughts are not my ways and thoughts "0 -
I can't imagine that someone would choose the happy life if they could choose otherwise. And I don't think that bad parenting, traumatic experiences, whatever causes people to be happy. People are just born the way they are born.
If the Bible told me I should only think of men and have sex with men--sorry, but no amount of religious demands and scripture could convince me to lust after a man. Threaten me with whatever, I still couldn't look at a man in that way. I imagine telling happys they need to change their ways is about the same.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rossowmn
I don't care if someone is LGBT, straight, or heavily into sheep. But I do care when someone flaunts his/her sexuality just to get attention, which often seems to be the case: "Look at me -- I'm (fill in the blank) and so proud of myself for being that way." Being it is OK, pushing it as an agenda is not if the promotion offends others. That's just my opinion.
+1
and whether its a choice or born with it, i believe in both
i grew up with a kid that showed signs at age 7, he was just feminine as any girl could be, he went into the army and i hired him as a cook when he got out, and then again at another restaurant years later, i picked him up for work one day and he was crying because at age 31 he had his first sexually encounter, and it was with another man, he was crying because he said he did not really know he was a happy
i made him laugh when i said hell jimmy everyone else knew it, how could you not, before this happened he was emotional often angry at the world, it took him 31 years to discover what/who he was0 -
quote:Originally posted by Barzillia
quote:Originally posted by Scottymac
I think that is a wrong assumption.
The people who are abused, neglected, or otherwise damaged may respond as you describe sometimes but....
People can't control or choose their chromosomes.
Some people for whatever reason, defect, Deity, hormonal imbalance caused by genetically modified food, or whatever have the wrong identity of their outward and obvious physical characteristics.
Other then a rare few, I don't think anyone chooses to be happy.
Just like I can't help being attracted to a sexy female happy people can't help their attractions either.
I don't think you can decide to become a pervert either. Those who are attracted to the undeveloped female/male are sick but I highly doubt a choice is made.
Every family who has a child, sibling, etc. who have provided a loving environment is not at fault for the resulting choices of the off spring as you indicate.
We belong to a fallen race, and are "prone to wander"
There are many forms of rebellion, whether it be pride, lying, murder, or sexual deviancy. There are plenty more.
They are all just symptoms, however, of the rebellion and the emnity between men and God.
On this day when we recall the resurrection, we should be comforted that all of those symptoms will be healed, for those who will.
Problem is, some will choose otherwise, and will die, ratifying that decision.
As the Moody Blues said,
"Just what you want to be,
You'll be in the end..."
In the meanwhile, we are given the opinion of God in the matter for our benefit.
Men ignore it to their peril.
Well stated.0 -
.....I'm tri sexual, I try it any way....[:o)][:o)] 0 -
Back to my "Intelligence claim"...have you ever seen a happy native American?....Aboriginese?.....Dog?....Cat?.....Mule?.....Minister?...Zombie?...[:o)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by pwillie
Back to my "Intelligence claim"...have you ever seen a happy native American?....Aboriginese?.....Dog?....Cat?.....Mule?.....Minister?...Zombie?...[:o)]
Not all of those, but some.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigt7mm
Oh well, killing millions of unborn children is considered by some to be normal and acceptable now, so why not this?
Mark my words, bestiality and pedophilia aren't far behind. If someone is BORN that way, they can't help themselves.
After all, who are WE to judge, or say what is right or wrong?
Right?
No, not right. Killing babies is wrong, another is killed by the action. Bestiality and pedophilia harm others.
Happies are hurting no one, causing no harm to you or me in any way; the only judgement I have of them is I am glad I am heterosexual and always have been.0 -
Are all sins equal in Gods eye? 0 -
I'm just happy that I'm not samesexual or happy or a friend. Right now I'm too occupied with straightening out the problems of the world, how to defeat ISIS and politics in the United States to worry much about it.
Back in the 1970s our Chief Quartermaster was in the pilothouse laying out a track to Nassau. He mentioned the last time we made a Caribbean cruise he was bi-sexual. The XO said he didn't hear that, but the Chief should be careful who he told about it. The Chief said it was true. The only way he got any sex in the Bahamas was buy it.0 -
While it is true that what consenting adults do in their own homes harms no one else, it is decidedly less true when their public actions are considered. At least where the activist, militant wing of the Happys is concerned.
It is undeniable that what they ask for has evolved from acceptance, to a demand for acclamation. They don't want to be left alone, they want to be celebrated and applauded.
As to their claims to be 'just like everyone else', it is nonsense. I have yet to meet a hetero who had as the defining factor in their lives how and on whom they used their personal plumbing. Having their 'happy-ness' as the central identifying feature of their persona is as common in that community as wearing shoes.
Add in the bizarre behavior displayed during their Happy Pride Parades, and being like everyone else is a claim with no basis in reality. 'Everyone else' does not hold annual parades that appear to show what happens when the Circus Train derails as it passes through the Zoo.0 -
I'd probably be a lot more "live and let live" on g_y people if they weren't afforded the opportunity to sue anyone who doesn't want to participate in their choices.
A baker won't bake you a wedding cake? Too bad. Find another baker and patronize their business.0 -
Bizarre behavior and parades. never been to New Orleans Mardi Gras have you? hehehehehhehehehehequote:Originally posted by Dads3040
While it is true that what consenting adults do in their own homes harms no one else, it is decidedly less true when their public actions are considered. At least where the activist, militant wing of the Happys is concerned.
It is undeniable that what they ask for has evolved from acceptance, to a demand for acclamation. They don't want to be left alone, they want to be celebrated and applauded.
As to their claims to be 'just like everyone else', it is nonsense. I have yet to meet a hetero who had as the defining factor in their lives how and on whom they used their personal plumbing. Having their 'happy-ness' as the central identifying feature of their persona is as common in that community as wearing shoes.
Add in the bizarre behavior displayed during their Happy Pride Parades, and being like everyone else is a claim with no basis in reality. 'Everyone else' does not hold annual parades that appear to show what happens when the Circus Train derails as it passes through the Zoo.0 -
dennisnielsen.
People are no more at fault for being born abnormally than that deer was. The bible also says God is no respecter of persons. That means he loves you no more than anybody else for the way you were born. What sin did they commit before they were born. Being born a certain way is not a sin. Hating people for that is.
As I said before all people who profess to be happy are not but some are simply immoral. I hate immorality. The trouble is I can't always tell the difference so I leave it up to God. The immoral happy parades are just that. They are celebrating immorality for the most part. I would much rather leave those important decisions up to Gog than leave them up to someone who can't spell Baptist. There could come a day when people are euthanized because their eyes are too close together. What would be the difference? What is to stop a abnormally born person from going to heaven? Only one thing and it has no relation to his physical form or sex in any way. John 3/160 -
quote:Originally posted by Dads3040
While it is true that what consenting adults do in their own homes harms no one else, it is decidedly less true when their public actions are considered. At least where the activist, militant wing of the Happys is concerned.
It is undeniable that what they ask for has evolved from acceptance, to a demand for acclamation. They don't want to be left alone, they want to be celebrated and applauded.
As to their claims to be 'just like everyone else', it is nonsense. I have yet to meet a hetero who had as the defining factor in their lives how and on whom they used their personal plumbing. Having their 'happy-ness' as the central identifying feature of their persona is as common in that community as wearing shoes.
Add in the bizarre behavior displayed during their Happy Pride Parades, and being like everyone else is a claim with no basis in reality. 'Everyone else' does not hold annual parades that appear to show what happens when the Circus Train derails as it passes through the Zoo.
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quote:Originally posted by dennisnielsen
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
dennisnielsen.
People are no more at fault for being born abnormally than that deer was. The bible also says God is no respecter of persons. That means he loves you no more than anybody else for the way you were born. What sin did they commit before they were born. Being born a certain way is not a sin. Hating people for that is.
As I said before all people who profess to be happy are not but some are simply immoral. I hate immorality. The trouble is I can't always tell the difference so I leave it up to God. The immoral happy parades are just that. They are celebrating immorality for the most part. I would much rather leave those important decisions up to Gog than leave them up to someone who can't spell Baptist. There could come a day when people are euthanized because their eyes are too close together. What would be the difference? What is to stop a abnormally born person from going to heaven? Only one thing and it has no relation to his physical form or sex in any way. John 3/16
. Problem is every famous limp wrist and rug muncher is shoving their twisted sickness down our kid's throats 24/7! I remember telling my aunt that if my cousin ever flolicked in front of my young daughter again there would be trouble. The other thing is straight people have less rights making out in public now, Happy's just yell discrimination. I first read the Bible in Latin as a child. I may have fell from motorcycles and aircraft landing on my head but know enough to tell you are full of it judgemental school mark hypocrite.
We never knew you went to private school. We were always under the impression you went to public school and grew up poor.0 -
kidthatsirish
So if your born physically deformed it's a sin? What is the difference between being mentally retarded or defective in some way at birth and physically deformed ? Are they both a sin? That was Hitlers theory. Kill them all. Your the one who doesn't understand the Bible or God.
I'm positive that God does not hold people responsible for anything they had no part in. I hope you are never judged by your own standards.
All these so called happy people are not the same. Creation is extremely complex. Try to entertain the thought that you might be wrong sometime. I know it's hard.
Do you know that God doesn't love everybody? That's bible.
I just read your profile. I don't see any point in talking with you further.0 -
Non credo quia puer lectis et intellectis Latinae Bibliorum
Latin was not the original scripture text and The Latin Vulgate is completely different from the King James Version that Baptists advocate.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jerrywh818
kidthatsirish
So if your born physically deformed it's a sin? What is the difference between being mentally retarded or defective in some way at birth and physically deformed ? Are they both a sin? That was Hitlers theory. Kill them all. Your the one who doesn't understand the Bible or God.
I'm positive that God does not hold people responsible for anything they had no part in. I hope you are never judged by your own standards.
All these so called happy people are not the same. Creation is extremely complex. Try to entertain the thought that you might be wrong sometime. I know it's hard.
Do you know that God doesn't love everybody? That's bible.
have you read your bible at all? try reading the chapter of Leviticus. how can GOD contradict himself? if he supposedly created people as q-u-e-e-r-s, then why would he condemn it, and call it an abomination? they were not born that way anymore that a thief, rapist, lier, murderer and so on. all condemned in the bible. it is simply a choice. you missed the part where it says to stone them to death? even if you don't believe in GOD, you know its wrong! it is simply un-natural and sick. hell is full of un-repentant sinners. GOD is wholly and no sin can enter his presence or kingdom. there are no un-repentant q-u-e-e-r-s in heaven.0 -
swearengine
Well almost completely different.
burpfire
If we were to go by the laws of the old testament we would be the same as the sharia law. Are you willing to live by the old testament?
I doubt if you would be alive under that law. Well maybe if you had enough animals to sacrifice for your sins. Of course God don't accept sheep anymore. Yes I read and whole thing.
Question-- God is all powerful so why does he need somebody to do his killing for him? When some one sins instead of commanding we stone them to death why doesn't he just kill the guy himself? An all powerful God doesn't need any help getting rid of whomever he wants to . Right??
THINK to many people let somebody else do their thinking for them0 -
Hate to break the news , but God nor any Supreme being has anything to do with same sex relationships...the Ancients practiced samesexuality regularly ..Only the Puritan Christians recognized it as Sodomy...in a perfect world ,there would be no same sex relationships...only the strong survive, and happys as we know them cannot survive are replenish the population, without heterosexual relationships.. period...its a crime against nature to be of same sex unions...not my rule, the natural order rule...[:o)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by burpfire
quote:Originally posted by RobOz
I think some people choose to be happy, but the majority are born wired happy. I say live and let live. Other than that, I don't have a poodle in this fight[;)]
born that way? so GOD is a contradiction? how could GOD create a person as q-u-e-e-r, then call it a sin? read the chapter of Leviticus, it is one of a few chapters that condems h-o-m-o-s. these things weren't born this way, anymore than a person was born a thief, or a child molester, or a murderer! I laugh when people say its in their genes, or dna! HA! where is the proof? scientists have been able to isolate every gene and dna, but not the q-u-e-e-r gene? huh? strange they cant find it? if people were born this way, explain to me why they cant find the gene, better yet, explain to me why there is documented cases of identical twins born, " they share the same dna, and genes, " yet one of them is q-u-e-e-r and the other is not.
everyone IS born with a sinful nature, this is firmly stated from GOD. we are all told we must master it, or it will consume us. two of my favorite quotes from GOD " there is a way which seemeth right unto man, but in the end death! " and " your ways and thoughts are not my ways and thoughts "
Well I hate to be the one to inform you but you couldn't be more wrong. You better go study up on some human biology. People who choose that lifestyle are immoral in my opinion but that is not always the case. I don't think that people who are born that way are the ones who try and force their ways upon others. I think it is the immoral ones.
Check this out if you have any inclination to be more informed.
http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency
http://oii-usa.org/2563/how-common-is-intersex-in-humans/
I do not profess to believe all the statistics as far as frequency goes.0 -
By the way. Did Jesus ever stone anybody to death for anything. Why not? That's the old law isn't it? 0
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