Served warrant at wrong house--killed innocent man
These 2 officers murdered an innocent man and are not indicted. Only in Mississippi protecting the "good old boys".
SOUTHAVEN, MS (WMC) -
The grand jury declined to indict the officers who shot and killed a man when they served a warrant at the wrong house.
Ismael Lopez was shot and killed by police while he stood inside the front door of his Southaven home in July 2017. Shot in the back of his head.
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SOUTHAVEN, MS (WMC) -
The grand jury declined to indict the officers who shot and killed a man when they served a warrant at the wrong house.
Ismael Lopez was shot and killed by police while he stood inside the front door of his Southaven home in July 2017. Shot in the back of his head.
Complete story
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It's happened before, BUT how in the hell do they get the wrong house. Incompetent that caused a mans death. 0 -
How many victims have been convicted and DNA evidence cleared them 30 years later? The Rule of Law is such that the perpetrators walk free in the name of justice.However Cameras have cast a net for both sides now and the average patrolman is getting caught too overstepping their authority.
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quote:Originally posted by serf
How many victims have been convicted and DNA evidence cleared them 30 years later? The Rule of Law is such that the perpetrators walk free in the name of justice.However Cameras have cast a net for both sides now and the average patrolman is getting caught too overstepping their authority.
serf
I look at those than are "cleared by DNA" after 30 years but believe there is more to the story. Were they there when the incident occurred and didn't leave any DNA or did the witnesses die in the meantime so there was no prosecution testimony?0 -
So 18 year old kids deliver pizza to the correct address on a dark, no moon night on a street with no street lights where only one house in five actually has the address on the house.
So these cops are dumber than 18 year old pizza delivery drivers????
If you knew just how stupid some of these young drivers are at the store I work at, and they find the correct address?? Lord have mercy, these cops have the IQ of potted plants!0 -
a man was woke up late at night in WICHITA, KS, walked out on his porch half asleep and was MURDERED by a city cop from 1/2 a block away with a rifle because he did not comprehend what they were screaming about... phone swatted by a bozo in kalifornicate...AND NO MURDER CHARGE AGAINST THE COP....TOTALLY INNOCENT AND NO CRIMINAL HISTORY....given up going to WICHITA even for medical... 0 -
I am starting to think that a line is being crossed more often and too many unarmed and innocent of any crime people are getting killed. I do not attribute all of this to more cameras.
It just seems shooting a guy in the BACK OF THE HEAD in his own house and another blown away by rifle fire is some dudes getting way too quick on the trigger. The militarization of our Police Officers is not turning out to be such a great idea after all...0 -
I don't understand why police officers don't have to meet a state minimum criteria standard[xx(] 0 -
"So these cops are dumber than 18 year old pizza delivery drivers????"
That says it all.0 -
I am no cop nor am I a cop hater.
Reading the article it sounds like a multitude of errors were made and a guy got killed.
I got served a warrent by mistake when I lived in Fayetteville NC. I saw the cops pull up.
The 1st thing I did is take my gun off and went to the door. They never knocked I was waiting on them.
They said they had a warrent for a kid who lived in the house the month before.
I told him I was the new owner and showed my ID.
I have dogs, I made sure they were secured in a room. I was not an jerk to them and they left me alone....
White privilege? The cops were both bl*ck...........
I have done many raids on houses in Iraq and other places, you don't know what to expect when you go to the door.
I want to hear from Chriss, alpine or Shilow on this before I form an opinion, but to me it looks like a tragedy of errors from all involved.
Fire the cops, pay the civil suit and drive on that is my opinion.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
I am no cop nor am I a cop hater.
Reading the article it sounds like a multitude of errors were made and a guy got killed.
I got served a warrent by mistake when I lived in Fayetteville NC. I saw the cops pull up.
The 1st thing I did is take my gun off and went to the door. They never knocked I was waiting on them.
They said they had a warrent for a kid who lived in the house the month before.
I told him I was the new owner and showed my ID.
I have dogs, I made sure they were secured in a room. I was not an jerk to them and they left me alone....
White privilege? The cops were both bl*ck...........
I have done many raids on houses in Iraq and other places, you don't know what to expect when you go to the door.
I want to hear from Chriss, alpine or Shilow on this before I form an opinion, but to me it looks like a tragedy of errors from all involved.
Fire the cops, pay the civil suit and drive on that is my opinion.
No amount of "civil suit" payment will ever replace the life of an innocent human. The officers should be relieved of duty immediately; and they should share the financial burden of the civil suit with whomever led them to the wrong location. If the officers invaded the wrong house on their own, then, they should spend the rest of their lives repaying the fine of the "civil suit" to the family of the victim that was criminally taken from them. Just like a normal citizen that wrongfully takes the life of someone else.0 -
This is not surprising.
It is happening all over the country.
Cops raid wrong house, murder innocent person, get promoted.0 -
It can happen to anybody. My Daughter was a dispatcher for the county Sheriff's office. She called me in the middle of the night to tell me she thought a Deputy was "staking out the wrong location" and was actually sitting in front of my house waiting for a light to come indicating someone was there and awake so he could attempt to serve a warrant. She was in radio contact with this Deputy but could not convince him he was lost. I'm standing in my living room with my laser equipped HD gun in hand so I told her to have him look at the mailbox he was sitting beside. I flipped the laser switch and put the dot on the mailbox. Mr Deputy got the message and drove away--still lost but not at my house anyway. Daughter said he had trouble talking on the radio for several minutes and may have needed to go by home to change his uniform. I say he had that wake up coming and needed more map study classes. 0 -
Video game generation seems a bit quick to shoot at times.
Trouble is - no reset button.
Other side- the PD knows it's under attack from libturd scumbags.
When a criminal infested culture/race marches down 7th Ave calling for "DEAD COPS" ......
No wonder the PD is on the edge.0 -
quote:No amount of "civil suit" payment will ever replace the life of an innocent human
I understand that, but the guy came to the door with a gun
C&P
Southaven Police Department admitted officers went to the wrong house that night. They were trying to serve a warrant for domestic assault to Samuel Pearman, who lives 36 feet away from Lopez's home.
Officers said Lopez came to the door and pointed a gun at them. The officers yelled repeatedly for Lopez to put the gun down.
Three officers were at the scene, but only one of them opened fire. That officer fired six total shots--two at a dog that ran out of Lopez's house toward the officers and four into the house. The bullets went through Lopez's front door; one hit him in the back of the head. Lopez's dog was grazed by a bullet.
If you point a gun at a cop you are going to get shot.
If a cop comes to your door, put your dog and gun away before you open the door.
That is only prudent....its not rocket science.
I have never been a cop but I have been in plenty of hostile environments and when you are out there dealing with scumbags and nut jobs you are keyed up some.
The warrant was for domestic violence, that is one of the most dangerous situations to deal with that is why there were 3 of them more than likely.
I got it they screwed up and probably should be fired. Yes the family should sue in civil court and I think the cops should kick in some bread....................but the guy came to the door with a gun[:0]0 -
These two were charged with a felony:
https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/lynchburg/court-date-set-for-lynchburg-officers-charged-in-shooting-of-man-in-his-home0 -
If you come to my door and start banging on it, (not sure what time this was.) I will be coming to the door with a gun. My Pit, will be right beside me. Shoot at him or me, you get what you get. (My gun may be a riot pump.)
You are at MY house. I'm not banging on your door, or doing anything wrong.
"Shot in the back of the head?" Some serious BS there. Needs to be some charges levied. So he came to the door with a gun. That is his right. His property, his domicile, he was not wanted, and was not doing anything wrong.
Protecting his own, comes to mind.
No charges filed? More BS.
Oh well, "Sorry."0 -
Two Seattle police officers were fired four days ago for shooting at a fleeing car. Police were responding to a 911 call about two people using drugs. Story and video at the following link.
https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/478141006-2-Seattle-police-officers-fired-for-shooting-at-fleeing-car/0 -
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
If you come to my door and start banging on it, (not sure what time this was.) I will be coming to the door with a gun. My Pit, will be right beside me. Shoot at him or me, you get what you get. (My gun may be a riot pump.)
I'm pretty sure I am a better shot than most PO's. (Also) You are at MY house. I'm not banging on your door, or doing anything wrong.
"Shot in the back of the head?" Some serious BS there. Needs to be some charges levied. So he came to the door with a gun. That is his right. His property, his domicile, he was not wanted, and was not doing anything wrong.
Protecting his own, comes to mind.
No charges filed? More BS.
Oh well, "Sorry."
Thumbs up on your post.....exactly my feelings [;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
If you come to my door and start banging on it, (not sure what time this was.) I will be coming to the door with a gun. My Pit, will be right beside me. Shoot at him or me, you get what you get. (My gun may be a riot pump.)
I'm pretty sure I am a better shot than most PO's. (Also) You are at MY house. I'm not banging on your door, or doing anything wrong.
"Shot in the back of the head?" Some serious BS there. Needs to be some charges levied. So he came to the door with a gun. That is his right. His property, his domicile, he was not wanted, and was not doing anything wrong.
Protecting his own, comes to mind.
No charges filed? More BS.
Oh well, "Sorry."
I agree with you.
Sounds like he closed the door, turned around and got one in the head for BEING IN HIS OWN HOME.0 -
OK, cops screwed up and went to wrong house. What did the resident do that scared the cops so badly they shot him? Hispanic name. Language barrier? Illegal status make him do something stupid? Cops didn't shoot him for no reason. SOMETHING happened. I wasn't there and neither were any of you...
Simple: Don't argue with cops or run from cops or fight with cops and you won't get shot.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doc
OK, cops screwed up and went to wrong house. What did the resident do that scared the cops so badly they shot him? Hispanic name. Language barrier? Illegal status make him do something stupid? Cops didn't shoot him for no reason. SOMETHING happened. I wasn't there and neither were any of you...
Simple: Don't argue with cops or run from cops or fight with cops and you won't get shot.
Not addressing whether the shooting was justified or not, but the story indicates that they went to the wrong door...ok so they knocked on the wrong door, that's not quite the same thing as forcing entry on a search warrant raid at the wrong address. Knocking on the wrong door is not an act of negligence. There is an assumption here that the houses were clearly marked. From personal experience, especially in low income neighborhoods, often times homes don't have clearly marked house numbers.
Whether they knocked on the wrong door or not, if someone answers the door, pointing a gun at the police, and they infact gave commands to put down the gun and those commands were not acknowledged then someone is likely to get shot.
Since there is very little info about the shooting it is impossible for anyone to render a judgement that they were not justified. The case was presented to a Grand Jury and they no billed so apparently they were provided compelling information that the officers were justified. It is interesting that most folks assume a Grand Jury is a rubber stamp, and this DA seems motivated to prosecute this officer. Yet this Grand jury apparently wasn't buying what the DA was peddling.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Sam06
quote:No amount of "civil suit" payment will ever replace the life of an innocent human
I understand that, but the guy came to the door with a gun
C&P
Southaven Police Department admitted officers went to the wrong house that night. They were trying to serve a warrant for domestic assault to Samuel Pearman, who lives 36 feet away from Lopez's home.
Officers said Lopez came to the door and pointed a gun at them. The officers yelled repeatedly for Lopez to put the gun down.
Three officers were at the scene, but only one of them opened fire. That officer fired six total shots--two at a dog that ran out of Lopez's house toward the officers and four into the house. The bullets went through Lopez's front door; one hit him in the back of the head. Lopez's dog was grazed by a bullet.
If you point a gun at a cop you are going to get shot.
If a cop comes to your door, put your dog and gun away before you open the door.
That is only prudent....its not rocket science.
I have never been a cop but I have been in plenty of hostile environments and when you are out there dealing with scumbags and nut jobs you are keyed up some.
The warrant was for domestic violence, that is one of the most dangerous situations to deal with that is why there were 3 of them more than likely.
I got it they screwed up and probably should be fired. Yes the family should sue in civil court and I think the cops should kick in some bread....................but the guy came to the door with a gun[:0]
What if it was a No Knock warrant. I can tell you try that at my place and I may die but so will some of them. We are having home Invasions in this area.0 -
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Interesting,,,,,,,,
C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,
"Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.
The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.
Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."
Are guns drawn when serving warrants?0 -
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Interesting,,,,,,,,
C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,
"Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.
The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.
Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."
Great.
That means NOTHING to the Innocent Man "shot in the back of his head, inside his own doorway." For what? Showing up at his own doorway armed? That is his Right, unless you think perhaps, it is not.0 -
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Interesting,,,,,,,,
C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,
"Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.
The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.
Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."
Are guns drawn when serving warrants?
Don't know,,,,,,,maybe they wittinessed the gun prior to or when he opened the door, if he did. I'm not making judgement one way or the other,,,,,,,I wasn't there.
I don't know either, but I'd guess it would depend on the situation. Same here on the judgement, but it most definitely looks bad publicity for the police.0 -
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Interesting,,,,,,,,
C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,
"Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.
The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.
Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."
Are guns drawn when serving warrants?
Don't know,,,,,,,maybe they wittinessed the gun prior to or when he opened the door, if he did. I'm not making judgement one way or the other,,,,,,,I wasn't there.
I don't know either, but I'd guess it would depend on the situation. Same here on the judgement, but it most definitely looks bad publicity for the police.0 -
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Interesting,,,,,,,,
C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,
"Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.
The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.
Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."
Great.
That means NOTHING to the Innocent Man "shot in the back of his head, inside his own doorway." For what? Showing up at his own doorway armed? That is his Right, unless you think perhaps, it is not.
Ken,,,,with respect,,,,,,my response is nothing more than what I found interesting re being shot in the back,,,,,,,nothing more, nothing less. It's a tragedy plain and simple for all involved. As stated, I wasn't there.
Acknowledged Forge. I took it that way. I was not trying to prod you.
I'm sorry if it came out that way.0 -
I'll prod all ya'll.
Facts not presented. Person killed prior history?
I hear alot of "Innocent" being thrown around, yet the man, of questionable history points gun at police.
Might just be the neighborhood is full of rats and while they went to the wrong house, it was still a criminals house.
Walk into a lions den. The lion you are after may not be the one that bites you.
I think it was a clean kill. The others see it that way too. Point a gun and me, then when you see me have one pointed at you and you turn to run, too late, you are getting one in the back. Threat is not neutralized because the guy turns around.0 -
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Interesting,,,,,,,,
C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,
"Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.
The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.
Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."
Great.
That means NOTHING to the Innocent Man "shot in the back of his head, inside his own doorway." For what? Showing up at his own doorway armed? That is his Right, unless you think perhaps, it is not.
Ken,,,,with respect,,,,,,my response is nothing more than what I found interesting re being shot in the back,,,,,,,nothing more, nothing less. It's a tragedy plain and simple for all involved. As stated, I wasn't there.
Acknowledged Forge. I took it that way. I was not trying to prod you.
I'm sorry if it came out that way.
No worries,,,,,,
That's good.
Much Respect Brother.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
Interesting,,,,,,,,
C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,
"Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.
The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.
Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."
Great.
That means NOTHING to the Innocent Man "shot in the back of his head, inside his own doorway." For what? Showing up at his own doorway armed? That is his Right, unless you think perhaps, it is not.
There is a difference between answer your door armed and pointing your gun at police officers, and not acknowledging their commands to put down the gun. That is what the officers reported, and with out some evidence to refute that, that is what occurred.
"Officers said Lopez came to the door and pointed a gun at them. The officers yelled repeatedly for Lopez to put the gun down."0
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