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Served warrant at wrong house--killed innocent man

beneteau
These 2 officers murdered an innocent man and are not indicted. Only in Mississippi protecting the "good old boys".

SOUTHAVEN, MS (WMC) -

The grand jury declined to indict the officers who shot and killed a man when they served a warrant at the wrong house.

Ismael Lopez was shot and killed by police while he stood inside the front door of his Southaven home in July 2017. Shot in the back of his head.

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  • 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
    Interesting,,,,,,,,

    C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,

    "Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.

    The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.

    Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."










    Great.



    That means NOTHING to the Innocent Man "shot in the back of his head, inside his own doorway." For what? Showing up at his own doorway armed? That is his Right, unless you think perhaps, it is not.



    There is a difference between answer your door armed and pointing your gun at police officers, and not acknowledging their commands to put down the gun. That is what the officers reported, and with out some evidence to refute that, that is what occurred.

    "Officers said Lopez came to the door and pointed a gun at them. The officers yelled repeatedly for Lopez to put the gun down."



    No disrespect to you Sir.

    Do you think (perhaps) he was confused with the situation? He had obviously turned around, ("back of the head,") and was headed back into his house. The Wrong house, I might add.

    You Leo's have a very tough job. You have my Respect. However, going to the Wrong house and confronting a Man in his own domicile, minding his own business, who has the audacity of showing up at his door with a gun in hand, does not constitute right to execute. IMHO.

    I know there are a lot of other variables in play here. (But) An innocent Man, getting shot inside his doorway, "in the back of the head," does not sit well with me.

    (Obviously.)

    As an American Citizen, being secure in your own home/domicile, while not breaking the law is paramount in my opinion, it is your foremost right.

    A fundamental right.


    I apologize for being so vocal about this topic. It is a sore point with me. I believe you have the utmost/absolute right to be secure in your domicile.


    Key words here- "Innocent Man, Wrong House." Let that sink in.
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  • remingtonoaks
    Fact one, we don't have all the facts.

    Fact two, 12 members of the grand jury had all the facts and considered the shooting justifiable...

    But let's look at it in the police View. Guy opens the door with a gun drawn, dog comes charging out the door at the police... Cop shoots dog other cop starts yelling at the guy to drop his weapon, the guy DOES NOT drop his weapon. But turns to take cover before he starts shooting at the cops.

    With just that information, it Looks justifiable to me...

    but it is too bad that the police officers came knocking on the wrong door. But just because somebody knocks on your door doesn't mean that you're allowed to brandish a gun when you open the door, and let your dog go after them...
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  • mag00
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
    Interesting,,,,,,,,

    C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,

    "Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.

    The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.

    Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."










    Great.



    That means NOTHING to the Innocent Man "shot in the back of his head, inside his own doorway." For what? Showing up at his own doorway armed? That is his Right, unless you think perhaps, it is not.



    There is a difference between answer your door armed and pointing your gun at police officers, and not acknowledging their commands to put down the gun. That is what the officers reported, and with out some evidence to refute that, that is what occurred.

    "Officers said Lopez came to the door and pointed a gun at them. The officers yelled repeatedly for Lopez to put the gun down."



    No disrespect to you Sir.

    Do you think (perhaps) he was confused with the situation? He had obviously turned around, ("back of the head,") and was headed back into his house. The Wrong house, I might add.

    You Leo's have a very tough job. You have my Respect. However, going to the Wrong house and confronting a Man in his own domicile, minding his own business, who has the audacity of showing up at his door with a gun in hand, does not constitute right to execute. IMHO.

    I know there are a lot of other variables in play here. (But) An innocent Man, getting shot inside his doorway, "in the back of the head," does not sit well with me.

    (Obviously.)


    You weren't there and making alot of assumptions.

    A pitbull rushes out at cops. Man holding firearm aimed at cops, cops yell to put it down, they shoot him

    It makes no difference about the warrant, they did not breach his home, they knocked on the door.

    It is all sensationalism by the media

    OH and I do believe he was an Illegal Alien.

    And that is why the cops were cleared. Again, it matters not who or where the warrant was for. You sick your dog on the cop and point a gun at them, expect to die.
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  • remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by shilowar
    quote:Originally posted by 84Bravo1
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
    Interesting,,,,,,,,

    C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,

    "Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.

    The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180#65533; as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90#65533; was. 310 seconds while to turn 180#65533; it was .676 seconds.

    Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."










    Great.



    That means NOTHING to the Innocent Man "shot in the back of his head, inside his own doorway." For what? Showing up at his own doorway armed? That is his Right, unless you think perhaps, it is not.



    There is a difference between answer your door armed and pointing your gun at police officers, and not acknowledging their commands to put down the gun. That is what the officers reported, and with out some evidence to refute that, that is what occurred.

    "Officers said Lopez came to the door and pointed a gun at them. The officers yelled repeatedly for Lopez to put the gun down."



    No disrespect to you Sir.

    Do you think (perhaps) he was confused with the situation? He had obviously turned around, ("back of the head,") and was headed back into his house. The Wrong house, I might add.

    You Leo's have a very tough job. You have my Respect. However, going to the Wrong house and confronting a Man in his own domicile, minding his own business, who has the audacity of showing up at his door with a gun in hand, does not constitute right to execute. IMHO.

    I know there are a lot of other variables in play here. (But) An innocent Man, getting shot inside his doorway, "in the back of the head," does not sit well with me.

    (Obviously.)

    As an American Citizen, being secure in your own home/domicile, while not breaking the law is paramount in my opinion, it is your foremost right.

    A fundamental right.


    I apologize for being so vocal about this topic. It is a sore point with me. I believe you have the utmost/absolute right to be secure in your domicile.


    Key words here- "Innocent Man, Wrong House." Let that sink in.


    Other keywords here-brandishing a firearm while opening the door, guy does not drop his weapon when ordered to do so, dog rushes police officers...

    I agree you do have a right to be safe and your old home, but that does not mean that you can answer the door and make an unsafe situation for the people on the other side of it by brandishing a firearm and letting your dog take after them...

    And that there is a sore point for me... It makes us gun owners and dog owners look bad. Plus both of which are illegal, along with not following the orders of a police officer to drop your weapon, Whether cops are knocking, a friend's knocking, or a family member is knocking. It's still illegal and as this guy found out extremely dangerous
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by forgemonkey
    Interesting,,,,,,,,

    C&P ,,,,,,from Di Mario book(foremost authority on gunshot wounds) ,,,,,

    "Tobin and Fackler measured the minimum time needed for police officers to fire on signal a drawn hand gun pointed at a target. The tests were performed with both the trigger finger on the trigger as well as outside the trigger guard.

    The mean time from signal to fire the handgun was .365 seconds with a finger on the trigger and .677 seconds with a trigger finger outside the trigger guard. Volunteers were then videotape as they turned their torsos 180? as rapidly as possible. The mean time to turn the torso 90? was. 310 seconds while to turn 180? it was .676 seconds.

    Tobin and factor concluded that if an individual was facing a shooter it was possible for the individual to turn their torso and end up facing away from the shooter in the time from when the shooter decides to fire and the gun discharges."








    Are guns drawn when serving warrants?


    Don't know,,,,,,,maybe they wittinessed the gun prior to or when he opened the door, if he did. I'm not making judgement one way or the other,,,,,,,I wasn't there.




    I don't know either, but I'd guess it would depend on the situation. Same here on the judgement, but it most definitely looks bad publicity for the police.
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