COVID 19 vaccine
I had a visit with my doctor yesterday. He is also my friend. I have work with him several times over the past 25 years.
I mention in an earlier thread I was inclined to get the vaccine but would follow my doctor's advice on the matter. He is a very studious man. I knew he would have been following this technology well before it was used to create the COVID 19 vaccine. His advice is to get the vaccine as soon as possible. I asked him what manufacturer should I look for and he told me it didn't matter.
Just thought I would share this follow up as we had discussed it previously. This is just information on my thought process and activity related to this matter given in case someone wants to incorporate it in to their on decision making process.
I will be getting the vaccine as soon as it is available to me. If I was currently working in patient care I would have already taken it.
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I was talking with my niece (who has been an RN for over 30 years) when she related this story to me.
She watched a lady get the regular flu shot, and the lady became a quadriplegic. Paralyzed from the neck down.
(I know, one in a million chances)
My niece decided then that she would not get the regular flu shot (and she has never had the flu)
and she will not be getting this new one. (along with some of her co-workers)
This conversation has absolutely no bearing on whether I will get the vaccine or not. This is just an FYI.
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Most of the discussion I have seen on the paralysis issue has surrounded incidents of Bell's Palsey (usually temporary paralysis of a part of the face). When monitoring large numbers of subjects, however, it is really important not to develop causal relationships where they may not exist. For example, just because a person gets a vaccine and then develops Bell's Palsey doesn't mean the two are necessarily related. You must also consider the normal rate for the affliction in the general, non-vaccinated population. In many cases (as in the COVID vaccine trials), the incidence is actually LOWER in the test group than in the general population.
Not saying there could not be a relation. Rather, just that it is human nature to skip the analytics and jump to conclusions. After all, sensationalized news articles are more intriguing than scientific reports.
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Frogdog: 31514411451291/comments/31514482033947
Most of the discussion I have seen on the paralysis issue has surrounded incidents of Bell's Palsey (usually temporary facial paralysis). When monitoring large numbers of subjects, however, it is really important not to develop causal relationships where they may not exist. For example, just because a person gets a vaccine and then develops Bell's Palsey doesn't mean the two are necessarily related. You must also consider the normal rate for the affliction in the general, non-vaccinated population. In many cases (as in the COVID vaccine trials), the incidence is actually LOWER in the test group than in the general population.
Not saying there could not be a relation. Rather, just that it is human nature to skip the analytics and jump to conclusions. After all, sensationalized news articles are more intriguing than scientific reports.
Sensationalism also creates revenue from advertising dollars. Usually a misleading headline that gets people to click on an article (clickbait) that nobody ever reads. The headline also influences how the reader interprets the article. There is a lot of misinformation out there being generated for profit or to create chaos for those, like a foreign entity, that may benefit. Bob
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NeoBlackdog: 31514411451291/comments/31514512624667
Would whoever anonymously disagreed with Ruger4me's post above please point to anything in that post that is inaccurate?
Don't just poke the silly anonymous disagree button! Have the common courtesy to lay out how or why you disagree.
I've hit that dang thing in the past but am going to try and refrain from doing so in the future.
And some People are like little Dogs that have to run in from behind, to nip you every chance they get, because they know if they approach from the front - they will get Kicked.
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My son's girlfriend just got the shot & said it HURT for a day. I have been thinking of waiting for the one shot vaccine. I will get the vaccine but I may wait.
A day? That was the most painful vaccine I've ever had! 4 days of pain in my shoulder with one night that made it hard to sleep without some over the counter pain killers. Despite that, I'll be getting my second shot in a couple weeks.
Also, I got the vaccine because I'm a health care worker and my wife is pregnant.
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Sitting in the area being monitored for the 15 time period after just getting the vaccine . So far no problems noted . We shall see
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I have some family members who have had both the Pfizer and Moderna and had no issues. Just localized soreness and itchiness for a couple days. I would take the vaccine today if I could get one. If everybody had the vaccine today we could open up tomorrow. The problem is half the healthcare workers won't take them out of fear. Many intelligent people are fearful of it and won't take it. The mRNA type vaccines have been in development for years. Covid was an opportunity to take this work and use it. They still went through all the FDA trials as they normally would.
I'm not a medical expert but I wish people were not so paranoid, at least about this. They were creating vaccines in the early 20th century with zero technology and people got immunized and it saved millions of lives. Everything was put behind this effort to produce this and so far it has been successful. Any decision you make is rolling the dice. Getting the vaccine, not getting the vaccine. Going in a store or not. If you haven't had it yet, you don't know how you will respond. I'd rather roll the dice with the vaccine. If it doesn't work for you, at least you made every effort to win against this.
On a side note, people smoke, drink and do drugs on a daily basis and everybody laughs about it. We eat pre-packaged foods, fast food etc, that have 75 ingredients. When the shamrock shake comes back at McDonalds everybody scrambles down to get one. McRib, oh yeah wonderful food. A perfectly shaped rib sandwich that has about 80 ingredients, none of which being real rib meat. Diet soda? How many a day? People live on this stuff and do it every day! And you think your body can't handle a small liquid vaccine twice? Get real. Or skip the vaccine and roll the dice. Maybe you wont know you have it. Maybe you end up on a ventilator.
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No problems from the injection, arm is not sore and I haven’t grown horns or anything
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Back in the early 1700s they used to vaccinate people with LIVE smallpox from mild cases or dead smallpox scabs before they discovered cowpox achieved the same effect. This had apparently started in China hundreds of years before. Mortality rates seemed to vary wildly from very low to over 2% in some cases but even that was deemed acceptable when there were serious outbreaks.
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