Civil War
Is about to start.
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We all can read in history of how bloody the first US civil war was, so does anyone think it can't happen again?
Are we to educated/sophisticated to allow another war like that on American soil?
I read in the other thread about a soldier either obeying his commander or constitution.
I really can't ever seeing it happen on a large scale.0 -
Mexico's civil war ignites in America
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78548
The Mexican government and the drug cartels that operate throughout Mexico are locked in a battle over control of the country. With the Mexican army fully deployed and often fighting ex-Mexican army special forces working for the cartels, this is, in scope and casualties, truly a civil war.
To date this year, some 3,500 Mexicans have died in this war. In just the first 15 days of October, there were 387 deaths in Mexico City, 178 in the state of Chihuahua and 90 in Baja California - all attributable to the government versus cartel war.
Were it not for the fact that the cartels are also frequently at war with one another, they might have won the war by now and would be in control of Mexico.
The National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers extracts and condenses stories that appear in the Mexican press on a daily basis. For the English reader, this site is a frightening window into the war in Mexico not available in the American press.
NAFBPO, for example, ran an English translation of the lead article from the Oct. 17 edition of El Universal (Mexico City) which included this grisly information:
"Confrontations by Mexican federal and state forces against groups believed to be linked with organized crime produced 33 deaths in Mexico (City) between Wednesday night and Thursday ... a shootout took place between military personnel and men in a vehicle south of Ciudad Juarez ... a human head was found in the center of town in Chihuahua City; the body was located in Santa Eulalia, some 20 kilometers away."
Such stories run every day in newspapers throughout Mexico whose owners, editors and reporters and their families are under constant threat from the drug cartels.
Execution-style murders, beheadings, dismemberings and kidnappings are common now in every state in Mexico on a daily basis. Gun battles are near nightly events in Tijuana and in Mexican towns all along the border. Mexican border town officials have crossed into the U.S. seeking asylum, fearing for their lives.
The U.S. State Department has issued a travel alert warning American tourists that Mexico is too dangerous. U.S. "Drug Czar" John Walters was in Mexico City last week assuring the Mexican government that more U.S. aid to fight the drug cartels is "in the pipeline."
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And now the bad news: The Mexican civil war is spilling over into the U.S.
Reports of incursions into the U.S. by heavily armed men in Mexican army uniforms (and often driving U.S.-made Humvees) now occur on a regular basis. Sometimes the "soldiers" are cartel men, probably ex-Mexican army; sometimes they are real Mexican army. In every case, their purpose is to protect a drug run into the U.S. and back off any lightly armed local sheriff or Border Patrol agent in the way.
The Border Patrol has issued new guidelines for its officers, fearful that any day now, a full blown firefight on U.S. soil will make headlines in both countries.
The Mexican civil war came to Las Vegas, Nev., last week and 6-year-old Cole Puffinburger, 48 pounds and barely 4 feet tall, was its victim.
A group of three Latino men with "heavy accents" and wearing police uniforms invaded the home where Cole and his mother lived, tied up the mother and her current boyfriend, ransacked the house looking for money, and abducted Cole.
Las Vegas is a major distribution point for drugs coming from Mexico into the U.S. The Mexican drug cartels have bought up foreclosed houses in northeastern and southeastern Las Vegas as way stations for drug shipments and as safe houses.
The Las Vegas police, assisted by the FBI, DEA and ICE, theorize that the home invasion and abduction resulted from Cole's grandfather keeping millions of dollars of cartel drug profits instead of laundering the money back to Mexico.
The 51-year-old grandfather, Clemens Fred Tinnemeyer, reportedly owed the cartel between $8 million and $20 million. He was arrested last weekend in Riverside, Calif. A Mexican national, Jesus Gastelum, is being sought as a "person of interest."
At the time of this column, here has been no word as of Cole's whereabouts.
In large and small ways, the violence of the Mexican civil war has come to the U.S. - to my community and yours.
It's past time for the American government to secure the border and crack down on the cartels.0 -
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i don't think they get it. succeed! no it ain't that way its gonna be a full blown revolution. but ,that's just a poor gun-less country boy thinking.if anybody goes looking ill be in the swamp
NUBIE ON THAT BUCKER BROWN!!!!0 -
I am reading about the Battle of Gettysburg and Pickett's charge. They keep refering to "the angle".
Would someone explain what is meant by the term angle. I know it has something to do with a stone fence and a grove of trees but I do not know the details.
Thanks
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...well, do you think if HR 1022 passes or any other un-constitutional bill is passed a civil war should be in order? 0 -
Don't mean to be stirrin' up a pot here, boys, so if one of the mods wants to lock this before it goes south(or north), it's OK with me. I had kin on both sides. I'm reminded of a quote from the movie, "The Outlaw Josey Wales"
"I guess we all died a little in that damn war."0 -
Honestly, I see a race war before a civil war.... look where we're headed... [V] 0 -
MVP, Most soldiers don't know what the Constitution says. They like all elected officials, police, sheriffs, state cops, judges, and lawyers, etc. swear to uphold it, but none have any real knowledge about it. The order was or the law says, So obey they do and will continue to do. 0 -
I don't think that it can happen again. But we sure are a divided nation, that much is already in place. 0 -
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quote:Originally posted by mcaso
MVP, Most soldiers don't know what the Constitution says. They like all elected officials, police, sheriffs, state cops, judges, and lawyers, etc. swear to uphold it, but none have any real knowledge about it. The order was or the law says, So obey they do and will continue to do.
Pretty broad brush you are painting with, isn't it?0 -
It cas be called eiher:
The Mexican War of 2024.
Spanish American War II.0 -
The War on Terror is really a continuation of the Crusades.
I suspect this will come to America before another Civil War.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
It cas be called eiher:
The Mexican War of 2024.
Spanish American War II.
But most likely, WWIII will come before either of those.0 -
A "war" in the US is taking place now. Politicians have sold us out to corporate interests and our freedoms are being eroded every day without a shot being fired on US soil. Think about it. 0 -
Civil Wars don't happen when people have stuff. We have stuff, we don't want to lose stuff. The stuff is more important. The libs goal is to take stuff away. Even so, it would take a lot more stuff than guns and a few personal liberties. Perhaps when we are 95% socialized and 80% of our incomes are going to pay for it all. Of course, this happened to Canada and they just had a silent war, refusing to pay income tax anymore. Nope, civil wars don't happen in countries like ours. That is for the 3rd world nations that don't have any stuff. 0 -
If someone gets killed in an unusual manner (think Bhutto), anywhere in the world, the instant communication abilities of the modern media makes it known virtually everywhere immediately.
Any rising up, or 'secession tendencies', or 'terroristic threatening', or whatever, that would indicate a forceful opening gambit toward rebellion might come to pass, will be known so quickly, that the response would be massive, immediate, and deadly.
At least, that's what I think.
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I was thinking that the other day, about the way information is instant.
In the old days, before a computer, by the time we would hear anything about a political figure being assasined in Pakistan, it would be in a history book.
Now we know it within the hour.0 -
I think the fact that these types of threads are increasing in number speaks to the idea that things are getting close to a breaking point.
HELLO....... Anybody in Washington listening?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Flying Clay Disk
Pretty tough to take on gunships, tanks and fighter jets with small arms.
Yeah.
The only real effective weapon is followed by your personal 72 virgins, and not many Americans believe in all that[;)][:o)]0 -
72 virgins, certinaly not in an given state, at least not old enough to make a great deal of difference, I mean who wants pre school (just kidding) they real question is which side do you come down on.
It's a scarry thought.0
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