FFL dealer told me--------is it true?
Yesterday, I went to my local dealer to get a copy of his license for a transfer (bought S&W on GB). Since I've been contemplating putting up a couple of my handguns for auction on GB, I asked him about "shipment of a handgun" by an unlicensed person (myself). After my comments about UPS/FedEx, he told me to use the Post Office. I advised him (sure he knew it) that, as an unlicensed person, I couldn't ship USPS.
He stated "that with a copy of his license---I could ship USPS". I thought it sounded screwy.
Is this true?
He stated "that with a copy of his license---I could ship USPS". I thought it sounded screwy.
Is this true?
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I've done that but I put the DEALER'S name and address in the return address section just in case. As long as he has the proper paperwork on file at the post office, it's legal since he would be the shipper of record. HOWEVER, the dealer is risking his FFL if he didn't enter your gun into his bound book and shows a transfer to another licensed FFL. 0 -
What Spider said!
Better address things correctly, and verify his info on record at the USPS.
Mine would never let me do that.
Isn't he going to charge you a transfer fee anyway, for logging it into his books?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
I've done that but I put the DEALER'S name and address in the return address section just in case. As long as he has the proper paperwork on file at the post office, it's legal since he would be the shipper of record. HOWEVER, the dealer is risking his FFL if he didn't enter your gun into his bound book and shows a transfer to another licensed FFL.
Example: Package gets damaged. Postal Inspectors open it and discover handgun and copy of your dealer's FFL. Postal Inspectors call ATF (probably required under the Patriot Act). ATF agents visit your dealer and inspect records. No record of your gun. Dealer faces possible arrest, fines and loss of FFL license. I can't imagine any dealer being that foolish. If he wants to book it in and out and let you drop it off at the Post Office that's fine but otherwise, he's taking a huge chance.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
quote:Originally posted by Spider7115
I've done that but I put the DEALER'S name and address in the return address section just in case. As long as he has the proper paperwork on file at the post office, it's legal since he would be the shipper of record. HOWEVER, the dealer is risking his FFL if he didn't enter your gun into his bound book and shows a transfer to another licensed FFL.
Example: Package gets damaged. Postal Inspectors open it and discover handgun and copy of your dealer's FFL. Postal Inspectors call ATF (probably required under the Patriot Act). ATF agents visit your dealer and inspect records. No record of your gun. Dealer faces possible arrest, fines and loss of FFL license. I can't imagine any dealer being that foolish. If he wants to book it in and out and let you drop it off at the Post Office that's fine but otherwise, he's taking a huge chance.
if you are not an employee of the ffl holder he has broken the law by letting you leave with the firearm if he has logged it into his books without logging it out with you as the purchaser, hence in your name again, if it gets traced back as the others have said, so...............................0 -
all of the above, and of course this would give them a legitimate excuse not to pay your claim 0 -
He is a little screwy if he gave you a signed copy of his FFL.
What could keep you from ordering 500 guns and using just that one copy of his FFL to have them shipped directly to you or any place for that matter?0 -
On the other hand, the dealer can take it in and ship it as a transfer, just in the reverse of how us non-licensed folks are used to.
Take gun w/ prepared mailing box (incl. postage) to dealer, he logs it, adds his ffl, and he collects his fee for the paperwork and dropping it in the mail.
If your dealer is OK with outgoing transfers, I'm not sure why he wouldn't be OK with incoming transfers.0 -
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
He is a little screwy if he gave you a signed copy of his FFL.
What could keep you from ordering 500 guns and using just that one copy of his FFL to have them shipped directly to you or any place for that matter?
all firearms must be shipped to the address on the ffl, that's what stops this, there is no reason he can't give someone he knows a copy, but some will not do it because they think it is illegal all they have to do is right "file copy no face to face transfers"0 -
quote:Originally posted by jabronij3
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
He is a little screwy if he gave you a signed copy of his FFL.
What could keep you from ordering 500 guns and using just that one copy of his FFL to have them shipped directly to you or any place for that matter?
all firearms must be shipped to the address on the ffl, that's what stops this, there is no reason he can't give someone he knows a copy, but some will not do it because they think it is illegal all they have to do is right "file copy no face to face transfers"
This is NOT TRUE...we've been over this 100 times but a dealer does not have to receive firearms at the address listed on the FFL...a dealer can receive firearms anywhere in the United States.0 -
I would not risk taking a pistol into a post office, it being federal property and all. 0 -
ECC, my reading skills and yours are at odds here. A FFL can receive guns from ANYWHERE but they MUST be received at his address. He can receive guns from anywhere. What am I missing here? Tom 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tccox
ECC, my reading skills and yours are at odds here. A FFL can receive guns from ANYWHERE but they MUST be received at his address. He can receive guns from anywhere. What am I missing here? Tom
This is not true...do a search on GB and find one of the many times we discussed this...I really do not feel like digging up the regs again. A FFL holder can receive firearms (through the mail, or shipping companies) at ANY address in the state he's licensed to deal in...and possibly in the US, but I cannot remember if it's restricted to the state he has his FFL in. The reason for this is b/c some dealers store their extra inventory at warehouse locations. It's in the regs and has been verified by the ATF.0 -
I was told by an ATF regional guy that pistols must go FFL to FFL or to and from a manufacturer for repairs. So I dutifully took a pistol to my local dealer to ship to another buyer/citizen via his ffl, and he told me to ship it myself since it was going to an ffl. I don't know who to trust on this. 0 -
CYA! Take the gun to the FFL and ship it have their address as the return. Get a prepaid UPS or FedEX label if your FFL does not want to mess with it and you can even arrange pick up at there store. Pay the fee and be safe. 0 -
wow, so much misinformation on one thread it's mind-boggling.
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quote:Originally posted by AZEX
wow, so much misinformation on one thread it's mind-boggling.
D.
Agree AZEX, People should read shipping rules on GB.0
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