Freaken Joke Ban BP Guns
New York - WABC, October 23, 2007) - Last week, The Investigators went undercover to expose a gaping loophole in New York state's gun laws. Now Governor Eliot Spitzer is promising to examine the problem more closely.
The Investigators Jim Hoffer has the story.
The black powder rifle's exemption from gun laws is one of the last remaining major gun loopholes in the state of New York. But the days of buying this deadly weapon no questions asked may be numbered.
Our undercover investigation showed with alarming clarity just how easy it is to get a black powder rifle in New York.
Be it in a department store or on the Internet, the highly powerful .50 caliber weapon can be purchased without any identification, permit or background check.
That's because the black powder gun is muzzle loaded and therefore classified as antique -- and state and federal gun laws do not include antique firearms.
We took the issue to the governor, the one most able to do something about it.
Jim Hoffer: "What if anything can you do as governor to try to close this black powder gun loophole?"
Governor Spitzer: "We have a number of loophole closing gun-related bills that have been proposed. None of which has moved yet through the legislature, but I will look to see if they cover this particular situation."
Hoffer: "And if they don't will you move on that do you think?"
Spitzer: "Sure, it's obviously something that bears examination."
Twice in the last four months, the deadly black-powder gun made news. First, a student with a history of psychological problems carried one loaded onto the St. John's University campus. And in June, a convicted rapist with the same kind of gun shot and nearly killed a state police trooper.
"These guns can kill and they should be subject to the same restrictions that other guns are subject to," said Michael Gianaris (D-Queens).
The Queens state lawmaker says after seeing our investigation he'll be introducing legislation to close the loophole that exempts these so-called antique weapons from gun laws.
"Clearly this gun has already done harm to a state trooper, it almost caused a tragedy at St. John's and we have to act quickly to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't be holding guns," Gianaris said.
Assemblyman Gianaris plans to introduce the gun bill in the general assembly next week.
(Copyright 2007 WABC-TV)
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?s...ocal&id=5722620
The Investigators Jim Hoffer has the story.
The black powder rifle's exemption from gun laws is one of the last remaining major gun loopholes in the state of New York. But the days of buying this deadly weapon no questions asked may be numbered.
Our undercover investigation showed with alarming clarity just how easy it is to get a black powder rifle in New York.
Be it in a department store or on the Internet, the highly powerful .50 caliber weapon can be purchased without any identification, permit or background check.
That's because the black powder gun is muzzle loaded and therefore classified as antique -- and state and federal gun laws do not include antique firearms.
We took the issue to the governor, the one most able to do something about it.
Jim Hoffer: "What if anything can you do as governor to try to close this black powder gun loophole?"
Governor Spitzer: "We have a number of loophole closing gun-related bills that have been proposed. None of which has moved yet through the legislature, but I will look to see if they cover this particular situation."
Hoffer: "And if they don't will you move on that do you think?"
Spitzer: "Sure, it's obviously something that bears examination."
Twice in the last four months, the deadly black-powder gun made news. First, a student with a history of psychological problems carried one loaded onto the St. John's University campus. And in June, a convicted rapist with the same kind of gun shot and nearly killed a state police trooper.
"These guns can kill and they should be subject to the same restrictions that other guns are subject to," said Michael Gianaris (D-Queens).
The Queens state lawmaker says after seeing our investigation he'll be introducing legislation to close the loophole that exempts these so-called antique weapons from gun laws.
"Clearly this gun has already done harm to a state trooper, it almost caused a tragedy at St. John's and we have to act quickly to keep them out of the hands of people who shouldn't be holding guns," Gianaris said.
Assemblyman Gianaris plans to introduce the gun bill in the general assembly next week.
(Copyright 2007 WABC-TV)
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?s...ocal&id=5722620
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This can't be serious ??
Doug0 -
Never wanted to go to NYC anyway.
In a reversed sort of way, I always agreed with the "Investigators" about the foolishness of considering black powder rifles (and pistols) to be non-guns of a sort. Only thing was, my position was that bans on more modern designs ought to be lifted, since there were none on the exact sort of guns that armed the bulk of the conquerors and settlers of this country.
Well, any BP fans who were still persisting in the notion that they'd only ban "modern" guns, and leave us history buffs alone, ought to now sit up and take notice. As if they should have needed it to hit them right between the eyes to believe it would happen! Guns are guns. The antis hate and want to eliminate them all. We should play no favorites as to what we defend.0 -
Wow that is just sad... ... like anyone is going to commit a mass murder with BP rifle.... one shot a min... 0 -
If this story is for real, I am surprised about the story about the trooper. Muzzleloading guns are almost never used during commission of a crime. They are sometimes used for suicide, but very rare.
They have such a low crime profile, this is why I believe there hasn't been more of a push to regulate them.0 -
quote:Be it in a department store or on the Internet, the highly powerful .50 caliber weapon can be purchased without any identification, permit or background check.
These people make no distinction between the .50 cal muzzie or a .50 cal barrett. They sell lies and fear...0 -
quote:Originally posted by ladams
Wow that is just sad... ... like anyone is going to commit a mass murder with BP rifle.... one shot a min...
Kind of beside the point. Another attempt to further disarm the citizens of NY and this nation. Besides, I can get off three shots in less than a minute. Anyone that has done it for awhile can.
Just one more angle of attack for the Gun Nazis. I really was NOT expecting that.
Mongrel1776. That is not just NYC. It's the whole state. "loophole" my ass!!0 -
Maybe they sell lies and fear...
But if just half of the voters doesn't know (beeeep) about guns, they won't bother to distinguish between .50cal muzzleloader - or .50BMG
They see things getting done, apparently to make life safer...
Who do you think they are going to vote for. ?!?!?0 -
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quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by ladams
Wow that is just sad... ... like anyone is going to commit a mass murder with BP rifle.... one shot a min...
Kind of beside the point. Another attempt to further disarm the citizens of NY and this nation. Besides, I can get off three shots in less than a minute. Anyone that has done it for awhile can.
Just one more angle of attack for the Gun Nazis. I really was NOT expecting that.
Mongrel1776. That is not just NYC. It's the whole state. "loophole" my ass!!
Thank you for the correction. I somehow got the idea it was New York City they were talking about, though I see when I re-read the article that it most adamantly ain't. [;)]
I've said for years that, when the admittedly more efficient gun types have been banned, it will be the turn of the muzzleloaders. It will be a highly emotional revelation on the part of anti-gunners that the American long rifle was the "sniper" weapon of its day, and the Brown Bess and Charleville muskets were the "assault rifles" (don't slam me for calling a musket a rifle -- I know the difference, and am simply making the point that the antis who do know, won't care). I've also maintained (and was in so many words called paranoid on a forum dedicated to muzzleloaders) that bans on .50 caliber firearms are going to be interpreted to include any of the half-inch or larger muzzleloaders -- just give it time.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I'll make the point again -- hunters, buckskinners, benchrest shooters, whoever else thinks that gun bans involving "black rifles" and high-capacity magazines are perfectly fine and reasonable, had better look past what they consider to be sensible restrictions and take a good, long, hard look at the people behind those restrictions. Most consider our way of life to be long overdue for some radical changes, intended to bring us more in line with the thinking of the rest of the world. Since "the rest of the world" is what huge numbers of people, to this day, are willing to risk their lives to escape, and come here, we need to stop this business of being willing to accept restrictions on our rights if, A. it's claimed they will make us safer; and particularly if, B. said restrictions affect someone other than ourselves personally.
Rant over. I need my meds. The nice doctors say they will keep me calm, happy, and unworried about things that it isn't my place to worry about in the first place. [:D]0 -
Honestly...why does this surprise any of us anymore???
NYC and those in Albany who make the rules are idiots. Now they decide to go after blackpowder rifles? I am surprised it took them this long. How many of you realize that it is illegal to purchase and have a compound bow or crossbow (hunting) shipped to NYC (and surrounding locations), New Jersey and even North Carolina?
Don't believe it? Check out Cabelas, Bass Pro Shop, etc...it will state it very clearly in the website. Guess NYC had too many drive-by bowings.0 -
9 iron to the forehead can kill. No more golf 0 -
"don't slam me for calling a musket a rifle -- I know the difference"
Be careful. Someone on this forum will inform you that some muskets were rifled, as they once did to me.0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
"don't slam me for calling a musket a rifle -- I know the difference"
Be careful. Someone on this forum will inform you that some muskets were rifled, as they once did to me.
[:D] [:D] [:D]
And there was a class of long gun commonly called a "smooth rifle". One of the many, many things I enjoy about studying the older guns -- almost every general rule has its exceptions.0 -
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Wonder how long it will be til they register pvc pipe.You know how
deadly spud guns are.0 -
Here in Aussieland, actual antique BP guns (those manufactured before Federation in 1901) are classed as antiques and don't require a licence to hold, or any special authority to purchase. However, modern reproduction BP guns are considered to be classed in the same category as repeating (non semi-auto) rifles and shotgun/rifle combination guns, and require licensing. Do you think these NY legislators will only legislate against the modern reproduction guns, or will they try to regulate the authentic 19th century antiques as well? 0 -
Of course they're a danger to society!!!
What if, say, 60 psychos get together in a big line and then fire into a school in one volly? Huh? HUH? Yeah, 60 rounds in one second, that's faster than a machine gun1!!!!!111!!! These things should be banned!!!!
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quote:They have such a low crime profile, this is why I believe there hasn't been more of a push to regulate them. Till everything elese is outlawed.
This is a prime example of "they will find a way". So they will outlaw M-loaders and criminals will switch to swords, then to knives, then to clubs, then to rocks.0 -
Some of those muzzle loaders have synthetic solid black stocks you know. Doesn't that make them primarily for killing people? 0
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