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  • HandLoad
    I Completely, and Without Any Reservations, doubt that the Ruskies could have "sneaked" in. If they wanna make the claim, they need to provide more than a satellite pic of our maneuvers.

    If the Russians did get over our activities, we knew about it. Maybe we don't want to officially admit that they flew over us, because we don't want to reveal that we have photos of each pilot, and the plane that had a minor hiccup while over us was us, playing with their sensors/engines.

    I know of a certain Russian Sub that thought it was being exceptionally stealthy during U.S. Maneuvers in the Pacific, during the Cold-War Era, that got a little doodad attached to its hull. That lil Dingus had a winged hammer that stuck out into the passing ocean water, and whenever the sub moved over a knot or so, the hammer went BWONG, BWONG on the hull, all the way back to their subbase, where it had to be removed with welder's torch or explosives. We tracked it the whole way.
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  • buschmaster
    [:D] verrry clever!
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  • AHansen
    The Russians are trying to look big and impressive again....
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  • 1911a1-fan
    can't say for sue i wasn't there, although it is above our own government to lie

    quote:The Russians are trying to look big and impressive again....

    that works both ways
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  • Flyin_Paulie
    Fair chance we wanted the Russions there. We do these things to keep em scared.[:D]
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  • buschmaster
    you know, during the cold war the russians kept sending a tu-95 "bear" bomber over to alaska, they'd see how close they could get before they got chased off. not too long ago they started doing it again.
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  • HandLoad
    The SOLE reason that the Russkies were EVER thought of as a "First World Nation", instead of second, or even third rate, was that they had good spies and stole our research and reverse engineered their way to a Nuclear Position.

    Now, they wish they were Important again, and want to get there by pushing things, and offering their services to broker deals with/between Third world nations. Sorta like the French are perpetually disappointed that they don't matter much, since Napoleon lost at Waterloo.

    Now we have the Iran/Syria/FillintheXistan trying to get Nuclear Capabilities and "Matter"...It just cannot happen.
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  • Old-Colts
    It wouldn't surprise me that the Russians would attempt an over flight for the purpose of trying to surprise the US. I can't speak for Guam, but the Russians did this to our carrier battle group back in the early 1970's when we were steaming between Hawaii and the Philippines. When we were in the corridor where over flights were possible we were always on ready alert, sometimes with aircraft turning on the cats. If a Bear or Badger was detected F4's would launch and position themselves between the Russian aircraft and the fleet. That way any pictures the Russians took would have a US aircraft in it to dispel propaganda about catching us off guard. It was a game, albeit serious, that was played all the time.
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  • zipperzap
    Seems highly unlikely with a carriers practicing their things there.
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  • ObiWan
    (It's a political move).

    it's hush hush but.....Russia wouldn't dare attack Guam....they wouldn't bite the hand that feeds them:

    www.volga-dnepr.com/eng/presscentre/articles/?id=4554

    How many people knew that?
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  • Txs
    If two Russian heavy bombers left their airspace we were well aware and keeping track of them. They're trash-talking in the media is just a fishing attempt to get us to defend ourselves and possibly reveal info on our surveillance capabilities. Don't expect us to lay out exactly how long we'd been eyeballing them or how we were able to detect them in the first place.

    They didn't make this flight just to sight-see. Periodically flying aircraft or moving ships near valuable resources to invoke physical and electronic reactions for analysis is nothing new. Bombers don't always carry just bombs and airliners that "stray off course" often are carrying more than just passengers. Any guesses as to what type of instruments were both on-board these aircraft and "watching" from other locations.

    Nothing new here.
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  • bobski
    bear flyovers were common and no big deal.
    ive snapped pics of bears over my carrier numerous times in the 70's and 80's. trust me, we knew they were coming and we knew what was on board. fast forward....we still know what they have on board and we knew they were coming.
    and again......no big deal. it just gives our boys a chance to intercept something. i mean it gets boring up there being the dominant air power. no one comes up to play.[;)]

    btw...look at the pic. do you see bomb bay doors open on that bear? no? thats the only reason that bear is still flying.
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  • jptatum
    I'm sure they could learn most anything they wanted to know via spy satellites.
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  • ObiWan
    The Russian military doesn't need spy satellites looking at Guam.

    The Russian military flies their military( Volga Dnepr) onto Guam and flies the US Navy around the world.

    Funny isn't it. They have GPS coordinates for everything on the island. Current photos...matter of fact...we pay them to carry our military assets....

    America is full of stupid people. The Pentagon seems to be the focal point.
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  • SuburbanNoize
    quote:Originally posted by bobski
    bear flyovers were common and no big deal.
    ive snapped pics of bears over my carrier numerous times in the 70's and 80's. trust me, we knew they were coming and we knew what was on board. fast forward....we still know what they have on board and we knew they were coming.
    and again......no big deal. it just gives our boys a chance to intercept something. i mean it gets boring up there being the dominant air power. no one comes up to play.[;)]

    btw...look at the pic. do you see bomb bay doors open on that bear? no? thats the only reason that bear is still flying.


    I know our Flyboys must be tired of bombing missions, they probably wanna stalk another airplane, or maybe a little cat and mouse?
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  • ObiWan
    Antonov 124's are slowly becoming the workhorse of the American military. They are better designed aircraft for airlift purposes and are putting American airlift aircraft to shame on metric boards.....with due reason.

    (Better aircraft).

    Wha????? Russia designs better aircraft? You better believe it. Watch a C5 Loadmaster try to put the rear ladder up in the cargo bay and watch a Antonov Loadmaster put the rear ladder up....engineering superiority clearly becomes instantly comprehensible.
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  • Txs
    quote:Originally posted by jptatum
    I'm sure they could learn most anything they wanted to know via spy satellites.It's not just eyeballing or photos they're interested in.

    In order to get an accurate picture of electronic defensive capabilities you have to inspire their activation. Satellite mounted sensors are used, but are limited to technology available at the time they were sent up.

    The aircraft or ships sent on these spook runs are ideal locations for monitoring activities with the very latest gear. A good example was our use of UAV's electronically masquerading as attack aircraft over Baghdad and transmitting data from their systems back to us. Thanks to the French, this was the most heavily defended piece of airspace in history and utilized the latest technology available. Our repeated prodding caused them to lay all their cards on the table before the game actually started.
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  • phillip
    quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
    I Completely, and Without Any Reservations, doubt that the Ruskies could have "sneaked" in. If they wanna make the claim, they need to provide more than a satellite pic of our maneuvers.

    If the Russians did get over our activities, we knew about it. Maybe we don't want to officially admit that they flew over us, because we don't want to reveal that we have photos of each pilot, and the plane that had a minor hiccup while over us was us, playing with their sensors/engines.

    I know of a certain Russian Sub that thought it was being exceptionally stealthy during U.S. Maneuvers in the Pacific, during the Cold-War Era, that got a little doodad attached to its hull. That lil Dingus had a winged hammer that stuck out into the passing ocean water, and whenever the sub moved over a knot or so, the hammer went BWONG, BWONG on the hull, all the way back to their subbase, where it had to be removed with welder's torch or explosives. We tracked it the whole way.



    HeHeHe you guys rock!!!!
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