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  • allen griggs
    I can't understand these enormous pay packages for the execs of the big companies, especially the companies that are in enormous fianancial difficulty, like the auto companies.
    This, combined with the outrageous union pay packages, may spell the end of the American car companies.
    Very sad.
    I well remember the sixties, when the American car companies made the best cars in the world, made the most money, and were the mainstay of the American economy. That was a long time ago, I guess. Very sad.
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  • newtgingrich
    actually the pay of the CEO has nothing to do with their performance. it is estimated that on a $25,000 car that $4,500 of that is from health insurance costs for employees.
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  • Slow_Hand
    Forget about being a great baseball player or astronaut nowadays. Kids should want to be a CEO just one friggin time in their lives so that they can retire after two years on the job with more money than their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents ever dreamed existed!!! The stockholders are imbeciles - plain and simple - for enabling so-called Directors who are only interested in helping one another to feather their nests. Imbeciles enabling scumbags IMHO. Plain and simple.
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  • mateomasfeo
    Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
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  • PC800
    quote:Originally posted by newtgingrich
    actually the pay of the CEO has nothing to do with their performance. it is estimated that on a $25,000 car that $4,500 of that is from health insurance costs for employees.


    Yep, GM says it now pays more for health benefits per vehicle than it does for steel.
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  • kristov
    Alan Mulally was an engineer at Boeing for many years and worked on the developement of several of their most popular commercial airliners. He later became a Sr. VP and then president of their entire commercial aircraf operations, not bad for an idiot engineer. The man helped to turn Boeing around make them competitive against rival Airbus and he should be Boeing's CEO, but because he was passed over it does not surprise me that he left. The man has a proven track record for turning red ink into black and that was why he was hired by Ford. That $7 a million signing bonus to hire him won't mean diddly to Ford's stockholders if the company can get back on to it's feet, or at least to it's knees. I'm sure all of them would love Ford to start paying a divedend again and get stock values out of single digits.
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  • Slow_Hand
    quote:Originally posted by PC800
    quote:Originally posted by newtgingrich
    actually the pay of the CEO has nothing to do with their performance. it is estimated that on a $25,000 car that $4,500 of that is from health insurance costs for employees.


    Yep, GM says it now pays more for health benefits per vehicle than it does for steel.


    FWIW, I do NOT believe everything that the executives of any company say so as to cloud my judgement of what MAY be the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Greed trumps honesty and integrity every time.

    Fact: You do NOT reward mediocrity, let alone incompetence IF you want to succeed. How far, how long, how much do we need to see and endure before we say enough is enough? I encourage you to look at this objectively. Why are the Japanese car makers eating our lunch?

    I'm eagerly looking forward to the day when a foreign entity buys up GM and Ford lock, stock and barrel and and kicks these overpaid, overcompensated arrogant scumbags out on their fat arses. It will be the best thing for the American auto worker and industry and consumers in the long run IMO.
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  • Sperry
    Ford is a steal right now. $8 a share. Put 1000, or even 500 in your IRA.
    You'll thank me in fifteen years.
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  • PC800
    quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
    quote:Originally posted by PC800
    quote:Originally posted by newtgingrich
    actually the pay of the CEO has nothing to do with their performance. it is estimated that on a $25,000 car that $4,500 of that is from health insurance costs for employees.


    Yep, GM says it now pays more for health benefits per vehicle than it does for steel.


    FWIW, I do NOT believe everything that the executives of any company say so as to cloud my judgement of what MAY be the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Greed trumps honesty and integrity every time.

    Fact: You do NOT reward mediocrity, let alone incompetence IF you want to succeed. How far, how long, how much do we need to see and endure before we say enough is enough? I encourage you to look at this objectively. Why are the Japanese car makers eating our lunch?

    I'm eagerly looking forward to the day when a foreign entity buys up GM and Ford lock, stock and barrel and and kicks these overpaid, overcompensated arrogant scumbags out on their fat arses. It will be the best thing for the American auto worker and industry and consumers in the long run IMO.


    Japs are eating our lunch because they don't have the unions to contend with, that is why. And in past years, American cars were sub-par, I would blame that a lot on the unions also. There are union agreements in place that forced American companies to just pump out product to keep the union workers working, instead of shutting down assembly lines and consolidating product to cut costs and reinvest in design and quality controls. Thankfully American cars are now back up to quality standards but the unions are still killing the companies. The unions would rather drive the companies out of business than give concessions on their rediculous wages and benefits. You can't make a profit when you have to pay some semi-skilled high school grad $40.00 an hour to bolt a car together going down an assembly line. As for the CEO high paying jobs, if American companies won't pay them that sort of money, foreign companies will. They don't have to work for car companies you know, CEOs can run any venture and make big bucks. Being jealous of the CEOs is not going to fix the car companies problems.
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  • dlrjj
    There are two items to look at when evaluating that pay. One, much of what he got was up front compensation for what he gave up when he left Boeing for Ford, not actually pay he earned at Ford during this past year. Would you leave your current job, giving up the benefits accrued, if you could not recover them in the pay and/or benefit package you got at your new employer? Two, run those millions out on a per car/truck basis, and it wouldn't amount to the cost of the retaining ring for one headlight per car and truck on the total production cost folks. Get a grip on the money we're looking at here and forget what you and I make. This is a different league; it's not the local slow pitch softball team.
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  • Slow_Hand
    A general question here (okay, it's more of a rant) aimed at absolutely no one here on GB:

    YOU is the larger and more universal "you".

    When was the last time YOU were handsomely rewarded - in multiples of a 7-figure salary - for out-and-out mediocrity? For NOT getting the job done? For NOT turning things around? For NOT getting the company you work for healthy again OR at least well enough to stop the bleeding? For NOT leading your organization forward and out of the fog?

    I don't know about any of you, but the corporations I worked for as a manager - and they were fairly large ones - had very little tolerance for lackluster, mediocre performance from their team.

    I refuse to accept that any of these CEO's actually earn what they are compensated with. It's a mad scramble at the top for as much as you can get while you can get it. Where's the motivation to succeed? Success means nothing if you can still get the big brass ring in spite of your own dismal failure. So what if YOU never ever get hired again? You'll already have more than you'll ever need to live well beyond comfortable for the rest of your life.

    That is NOT capitalism IMHO - rather, it's grand theft. Theft that's apparently sanctioned - and endorsed - by our society.

    Just my 2 cents worth of disgust for CEO's, B-o-D's and companies who believe that everyone is a pie-eyed, naive bumpkin, fresh off the turnip truck.
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  • Kaos
    Not a big deal the ex-ceo of Home Depot got that $210 million dollar severance package as sells fell when he was the ceo. Japanese companies don't have unions but they are actually one of the better companies to work for, and treat their employees well. Sperry is probably right they will make it out but it will take some time. For decades now the persona was that foreign cars are more reliable then domestic cars and their paying for it, losing the market to foreign car manufacters.
    The reason they can give so much money away is that it's not the boards money it's the share holders.
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  • newtgingrich
    quote:Originally posted by Sperry
    Ford is a steal right now. $8 a share. Put 1000, or even 500 in your IRA.
    You'll thank me in fifteen years.


    they were about the same 3 years ago
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  • PC800
    quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
    A general question here (okay, it's more of a rant) aimed at absolutely no one here on GB:

    YOU is the larger and more universal "you".

    When was the last time YOU were handsomely rewarded - in multiples of a 7-figure salary - for out-and-out mediocrity? For NOT getting the job done? For NOT turning things around? For NOT getting the company you work for healthy again OR at least well enough to stop the bleeding? For NOT leading your organization forward and out of the fog?

    I don't know about any of you, but the corporations I worked for as a manager - and they were fairly large ones - had very little tolerance for lackluster, mediocre performance from their team.

    I refuse to accept that any of these CEO's actually earn what they are compensated with. It's a mad scramble at the top for as much as you can get while you can get it. Where's the motivation to succeed? Success means nothing if you can still get the big brass ring in spite of your own dismal failure. So what if YOU never ever get hired again? You'll already have more than you'll ever need to live well beyond comfortable for the rest of your life.

    That is NOT capitalism IMHO - rather, it's grand theft. Theft that's apparently sanctioned - and endorsed - by our society.

    Just my 2 cents worth of disgust for CEO's, B-o-D's and companies who believe that everyone is a pie-eyed, naive bumpkin, fresh off the turnip truck.


    Working for the fed gov, I could name you hundreds of people that get rewarded for mediocrity all the time. In fact it is one of the best ways to get promoted, because other people want to get rid of the mediocre but can't fire them. So they promote them into another job away from them. It happens ALL the time.
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  • ObiWan
    Actually alot of Ford's parts now come from...Germany....hmm my rear wheel bearing for my Ford Focus was stamped "made in Germany".....don't they have.....unionized labor over there?


    If you think about it what country has the biggest Union right now? My money is on...CHINA.

    Communism is a Union.
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  • LOKO383
    quote:Originally posted by PC800
    quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
    A general question here (okay, it's more of a rant) aimed at absolutely no one here on GB:

    YOU is the larger and more universal "you".

    When was the last time YOU were handsomely rewarded - in multiples of a 7-figure salary - for out-and-out mediocrity? For NOT getting the job done? For NOT turning things around? For NOT getting the company you work for healthy again OR at least well enough to stop the bleeding? For NOT leading your organization forward and out of the fog?

    I don't know about any of you, but the corporations I worked for as a manager - and they were fairly large ones - had very little tolerance for lackluster, mediocre performance from their team.

    I refuse to accept that any of these CEO's actually earn what they are compensated with. It's a mad scramble at the top for as much as you can get while you can get it. Where's the motivation to succeed? Success means nothing if you can still get the big brass ring in spite of your own dismal failure. So what if YOU never ever get hired again? You'll already have more than you'll ever need to live well beyond comfortable for the rest of your life.

    That is NOT capitalism IMHO - rather, it's grand theft. Theft that's apparently sanctioned - and endorsed - by our society.

    Just my 2 cents worth of disgust for CEO's, B-o-D's and companies who believe that everyone is a pie-eyed, naive bumpkin, fresh off the turnip truck.


    Working for the fed gov, I could name you hundreds of people that get rewarded for mediocrity all the time. In fact it is one of the best ways to get promoted, because other people want to get rid of the mediocre but can't fire them. So they promote them into another job away from them. It happens ALL the time.
    +1 on the promos,cant fire the idiots so....PROMOTION![V]
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