Kids get way too much ??????
I raised two boys as a single father. I had a few teen issues as you can imagine but my sons were taught right from wrong. They are good men working hard and contributing to America.
In today's world it seems the kids run the show. I called a co-worker at home (she works from there) I could hear her 4 year old daughter hollering in the background. She told me to talk to the rat kid or it would not stop fussing!! WTH, I'm on a business call and must do goo-goo crap with a spoiled kid; who is running that nut house?
If my son had done that I'd box his ears and remind him that when an adult is on the phone you need to be quiet unless the house or brother was on fire.
I notice parents letting children hold up long lines at a fast food joint because the rat kid can't decide if it wants an orange drink or a root beer. What happened to the days when the Dad went to the counter and said; give me 23 hamburgers 4 fries, two cokes and 5 milks while the kids sat at the table with mom minding their P's and Q's.
Why are children getting to run the show and when did this role reversal happen??
In today's world it seems the kids run the show. I called a co-worker at home (she works from there) I could hear her 4 year old daughter hollering in the background. She told me to talk to the rat kid or it would not stop fussing!! WTH, I'm on a business call and must do goo-goo crap with a spoiled kid; who is running that nut house?
If my son had done that I'd box his ears and remind him that when an adult is on the phone you need to be quiet unless the house or brother was on fire.
I notice parents letting children hold up long lines at a fast food joint because the rat kid can't decide if it wants an orange drink or a root beer. What happened to the days when the Dad went to the counter and said; give me 23 hamburgers 4 fries, two cokes and 5 milks while the kids sat at the table with mom minding their P's and Q's.
Why are children getting to run the show and when did this role reversal happen??
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Look at one of the YOUNG members here for a great example of the problems you posted about. I still say it is about respect. Kids today, as they are being raised, are being taught that they are the center of the universe, that all life revolves around them and their needs and wants. It is just further developing the ME ME ME society that we are turning into. Sad. And till parents and others responsble step up and box a few ears, nothing will change. 0 -
Yehhhhhhh, box some ears and go to jail. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Da-Tank
Yehhhhhhh, box some ears and go to jail.
If it is illegal for me to disipline my kids then I guess I will go to jail!
I do not believe in child abuse, but I most definatly will tan thier rears if they got it comming!0 -
quote:If it is illegal for me to disipline my kids then I guess I will go to jail!
I do not believe in child abuse, but I most definatly will tan thier rears if they got it comming!
Preach brother! Preach! I agree 100%!! In the "good old days", if I got a paddling at school (and I got more than a few), I could look forward to getting one that was worse when I got home. Now, at school you can't even look at a kid cross-eyed without a parent screaming at you for "abusing their baby." If schools would bring back the old "thunder boards", and parents would step up and accept their responsibility as parents, things would be better. But I don't see it happening.0 -
I expect my daughter to listen and do what I tell her, everytime. And she does. I have had to wack her (once) on the rear maybe a dozen times in her life (none hurt physically, just her pride). But now I just need to threaten and it is as effective as doing.
The problem with today's kids is exactly as iluvguns said, "ME ME ME". Kids need and WANT strong discipline while being raised. Those parents that do not, are PISS POOR parents that are not doing any favors for their kids.
When you see these jackass kids in the mall, or drive-throughs or whatever, try to remember that it is ENTIRELY the parents fault that the kids are the way they are. Take pity on the kids, not the parents.
Oh and when the kids are so bad due to ongoing extremely poor parenting, now they can be diagnosed with a made up liberal condition called "ADD". Then the parent gets drugs to tranqualize their kids which THEY turned into monsters so that they can continue to not raise them very well. And as a bonus, they can feel good about themselves because these quack doctors that prescribe the drugs told them it's not their fault.0 -
quote:Originally posted by slipgate
I expect my daughter to listen and do what I tell her, everytime. And she does. I have had to wack her (once) on the rear maybe a dozen times in her life (none hurt physically, just her pride). But now I just need to threaten and it is as effective as doing.
The problem with today's kids is exactly as iluvguns said, "ME ME ME". Kids need and WANT strong discipline while being raised. Those parents that do not, are PISS POOR parents that are not doing any favors for their kids.
When you see these jackass kids in the mall, or drive-throughs or whatever, try to remember that it is ENTIRELY the parents fault that the kids are the way they are. Take pity on the kids, not the parents.
Oh and when the kids are so bad due to ongoing extremely poor parenting, now they can be diagnosed with a made up liberal condition called "ADD". Then the parent gets drugs to tranqualize their kids which THEY turned into monsters so that they can continue to not raise them very well. And as a bonus, they can feel good about themselves because these quack doctors that prescribe the drugs told them it's not their fault.
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I was just talking about this with my old English teacher (who's now retired) yesterday. He told me about a collegue of his who was the principal at the school here who tried using a program for controlling the students' behavior, but this principal (who was one of my college professors) only used part of the program...the part that said to be nice to the kids. He completely ignored the dicipline part. My English teacher said that it took 3 years for the effects of that failed program to get washed out of the student body. That means that there are at least 4 years of students from way back then that have little to no dicipline.
BTW, my old English teacher is a moderate Conservative, and the other guy is a bleeding-heart. I'm still trying to figure out why, because the other guy was a Marine in the pre-Vietnam days.0 -
Yes indeed , it is ludicris(sp) the way youth act/react today . As a LEO I see much more of this B.S. than the average person . I do think that todays (younger) parents (or so called parents) just dont know what they are doing/not doing , and I gather that they have the attutude that they will not be like their parents (like ours) and have some sense and disipline as needed ...When I was growing up if I acted like a fool , I suffered the results as in disipline ...And this liberal B.S. of 'abuse' everytime some-one tries to disipline a child is just adding to the problem ...I dont really think that discussing this here on this forum is going to do any good , but we all need to do what-ever we think we need to do (about this and other issues)...
Thanks !!!
d.a.stearns
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quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
quote:If it is illegal for me to disipline my kids then I guess I will go to jail!
I do not believe in child abuse, but I most definatly will tan thier rears if they got it comming!
Preach brother! Preach! I agree 100%!! In the "good old days", if I got a paddling at school (and I got more than a few), I could look forward to getting one that was worse when I got home. Now, at school you can't even look at a kid cross-eyed without a parent screaming at you for "abusing their baby." If schools would bring back the old "thunder boards", and parents would step up and accept their responsibility as parents, things would be better. But I don't see it happening.
my dad raised me just fine, ive got my share of whoopins and i deserved every last one of them. I have respect for people that respect me.0 -
Would someone please edit Dakota's post, it's breaking the whole page. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I have respect for people that respect me.
Here's the definition of respect: a high or special regard.
It has nothing to do with how a person views you. Only with how you view the person. What you are in effect saying is, "I'll hold a high opinion of you, if you hold a high opinion of me." The world just isn't that way.
Respect can be earned in many ways, and it can be demanded in some. Some people earn respect from education, or military performance. Calling a person "Doctor" is a form of respect. Other people demand respect because if you do not respect them, they can mess with your life. For example, we all know that Saddam Hussein was a tremendous piece of crap; however, his people had to show him respect, or he would kill them. People earn respect by proving their worth during life's challenges. I knew a man that was a role model of mine. He got cancer, and he fought it valiantly. In his last month of life he looked at me, and said "Ben, don't be scared for me. I'm ready for death. I feel as good as I ever have--a great burden has been lifted off of me. I'm going home." Wow! I cannot articulate the ammount of respect that I had for that man. Some even earn respect by going out into the world, and performing good works with selfless intentions. I do volunteer work with a poor uneducated man who does not see himself as poor. He only sees people poorer than he is, and he tries to help them. I have a great deal of respect for that man.
Respect must be earned. Respect to me is a way of saying "I wish I held some of the qualities of that person."
Now forgive me for being curt, but why would any adult say "I wish I was more like a stubborn, know-it-all, 15 year old."?
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quote:I have respect for people that respect me.
That's the problem! What in the heck as a 14 year old have you ever done to earn ANY respect from anyone? See, by that one comment, you prove that you want respect just because you consider yourself to be special. ME ME ME again! Lots of learning left yet, young'n.0 -
quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
quote:I have respect for people that respect me.
That's the problem! What in the heck as a 14 year old have you ever done to earn ANY respect from anyone? See, by that one comment, you prove that you want respect just because you consider yourself to be special. ME ME ME again! Lots of learning left yet, young'n.
I disagree!
I have met some teenagers that do deserve respect, and actually act more mature than most adults!0 -
It ain't just kids.....I see people hold up the checkout line for ten minutes over a freaking 5 cent coupon.... lately I've been flipping them a quarter and telling them Next time take it to Customer Service, instead of holding up the #$%##$% #$% #$%@$%#$ checkout line. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by fishermanben
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I have respect for people that respect me.
Here's the definition of respect: a high or special regard.
It has nothing to do with how a person views you. Only with how you view the person. What you are in effect saying is, "I'll hold a high opinion of you, if you hold a high opinion of me." The world just isn't that way.
Respect can be earned in many ways, and it can be demanded in some. Some people earn respect from education, or military performance. Calling a person "Doctor" is a form of respect. Other people demand respect because if you do not respect them, they can mess with your life. For example, we all know that Saddam Hussein was a tremendous piece of crap; however, his people had to show him respect, or he would kill them. People earn respect by proving their worth during life's challenges. I knew a man that was a role model of mine. He got cancer, and he fought it valiantly. In his last month of life he looked at me, and said "Ben, don't be scared for me. I'm ready for death. I feel as good as I ever have--a great burden has been lifted off of me. I'm going home." Wow! I cannot articulate the ammount of respect that I had for that man. Some even earn respect by going out into the world, and performing good works with selfless intentions. I do volunteer work with a poor uneducated man who does not see himself as poor. He only sees people poorer than he is, and he tries to help them. I have a great deal of respect for that man.
Respect must be earned. Respect to me is a way of saying "I wish I held some of the qualities of that person."
Now forgive me for being curt, but why would any adult say "I wish I was more like a stubborn, know-it-all, 15 year old."?
Ben
quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
quote:I have respect for people that respect me.
That's the problem! What in the heck as a 14 year old have you ever done to earn ANY respect from anyone? See, by that one comment, you prove that you want respect just because you consider yourself to be special. ME ME ME again! Lots of learning left yet, young'n.
WTH is wrong with you two? Out of all the 15-year-olds I've known, Jacob is one of the few that acts older than he is 98% of the time. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was 18 or 19.
As for the respect thing, I, at 21, and a combat veteran, WILL NOT show any more respect than is absolutly required, unless the person I'm showing it to has earned it by being a genuinely nice person. There are many Sergeants that I've served under who were complete pieces of doodoo that I only showed them the respect due their rank. There are even more Sergeants that I've served under who were genuinely nice people and still knew their stuff and were good leaders that I would listen to every word they said regardless of whether I agreed with it or not.
As for parents, my parents didn't coddle us kids by any means. All three of us had to work for what we have, and they guided us along the path of being upstanding young adults, sometimes they held our hand and helped us when we fell, and sometimes they kicked us in the butt when we started going the wrong way. I've been spanked, and I deserved it when it happened. I've had my mouth washed out with soap, and I deserved it when it happened. It made me respect my parents more, because it taught me that they were not afraid to enforce the rules they set down for us to follow.
Don't EVER insult somebody because they're not in your generation. Some parents these days still raise their kids right. The ones that don't are probably the children of Vietnam era hippies and war protesters.0 -
quote:Originally posted by fishermanben
quote:Originally posted by Jacob2008
I have respect for people that respect me.
Here's the definition of respect: a high or special regard.
It has nothing to do with how a person views you. Only with how you view the person. What you are in effect saying is, "I'll hold a high opinion of you, if you hold a high opinion of me." The world just isn't that way.
Actually, what i was saying is "You dont talk crap about me, and abd to me, and I wont do the same to you."
But thanks for trying
ZULU:
Couldnt have said it better myself, thanks bro0 -
jacob, I DO think that you are a good person.
Ben0 -
My dad had 2 questions/answers for everything, and they seemed to always take the form of "I can kill the ants that are in your pants (if I was figgity)" and "I can give you a reason to scream/cry (when I started getting whiny)". Funny how a hunk of harness leather worked for both situations. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
It ain't just kids.....I see people hold up the checkout line for ten minutes over a freaking 5 cent coupon.... lately I've been flipping them a quarter and telling them Next time take it to Customer Service, instead of holding up the #$%##$% #$% #$%@$%#$ checkout line.
Or people on the highway, or people on the street, or people telling you how to live your life, what to eat, what to believe, how to worship, when to f-k, and so on. Well, maybe we're getting to the root of all evils here finally [:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by fishermanben
jacob, I DO think that you are a good person.
Ben
Guess i got confused
sorry
but still, fact remains. If people would respect me- or just not talk to me for that matter - theyll get the same.
im not holding a knife to their throat screaming REPLY TO MY MESSAGE NOW0 -
quote:Originally posted by slipgate
I expect my daughter to listen and do what I tell her, everytime. And she does. I have had to wack her (once) on the rear maybe a dozen times in her life (none hurt physically, just her pride). But now I just need to threaten and it is as effective as doing.
The problem with today's kids is exactly as iluvguns said, "ME ME ME". Kids need and WANT strong discipline while being raised. Those parents that do not, are PISS POOR parents that are not doing any favors for their kids.
When you see these jackass kids in the mall, or drive-throughs or whatever, try to remember that it is ENTIRELY the parents fault that the kids are the way they are. Take pity on the kids, not the parents.
Oh and when the kids are so bad due to ongoing extremely poor parenting, now they can be diagnosed with a made up liberal condition called "ADD". Then the parent gets drugs to tranqualize their kids which THEY turned into monsters so that they can continue to not raise them very well. And as a bonus, they can feel good about themselves because these quack doctors that prescribe the drugs told them it's not their fault.
I agree with you 98% BUT!!!!!!
DON'T go blaming the lib's for something you know nothing about. I can have my brother come over to your place, and after we will see if you still think its "MADE UP" He has had ADD for almost 27yrs back in the early 80's they didn't know what was wrong they treated him for just about every diese and mental illness imaginable.
"It is like watching a mentally challenged person knock themselves down by running into the same wall over and over again. you'd think that they would eventually get it and stop, but they don't because they are mentally challenged"
Who's to blame for there behavior????
I watched my parents spent alot on time and money and shead alot of tears while trying to my brother behavior under control. but comite him. ADD, ADHA, Adult ADD are all mental illness's, genetic defects, chemical imbalances what ever you want to call them. Lets see you fix that with your paddle.0 -
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this si why the world is screwed up[:D]
[:D] Dakota come on already....stretc...........h0
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