National Guard shooting suspect kills himself
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Well, thats a good outcome. Last I heard was he shot himself in the chest, but was still alive.
Good bye dude..........0 -
Aww... what's the matter? Man enough to shoot a woman from ambush, but not man enough to stand the heat of the law?
Burn in Hell you coward.0 -
he just saved me and everyone from paying taxes for his trial and imprisonment. he also saved me and everyone frm having to listen to fox news talk about him everyday or 6 hours a day for 3 years.
enjoy your stay in hell buster !!0 -
John Plaster (Major USASF retired) was interviewed about this guy. He went into detail about the training the guy had received and predicted the guy would commit suicide because he didn't have anything left to live for. Looks like he was right. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Aww... what's the matter? Man enough to shoot a woman from ambush, but not man enough to stand the heat of the law?
Burn in Hell you coward.
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I understand how you think,and considering what that lowlife did !
BUT probably it takes courage to kill yourselfe that's why the jails are full of cowards.
The japs during WW2 were thinking something along those lines to.
Thats why they treated their prisoners so badly...0 -
pure tragedy. sad indeed. such is life without a GOD to turn to for help.[:(] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Talented
I understand how you think,and considering what that lowlife did !
BUT probably it takes courage to kill yourselfe that's why the jails are full of cowards.
The japs during WW2 were thinking something along those lines to.
Thats why they treated their prisoners so badly...
Are you for real? It takes courage to kill yourself?
The only things good about criminals killing themselves is that they don't waste valuable room in prisons and don't needlessly waste oxygen, and they don't commit more crimes.
How, exactly, is it brave to kill yourself after you've harmed another person? Because you're going to visit your Maker sooner?
What is brave is to accept responsibility for your actions.
What is brave is to use the rest of your life, no matter how worthless it is, to repent for your wrongdoings. What is brave is to use the rest of your life to, even in the most minor way, would be to apologize to those you've hurt (or their surviving family members if you've killed someone).
A wussie pansy candyassed wimp kills himself because he can't stand to live with the consequences of his actions.
But, he does do society a great favor.0 -
Dont get stuck thinking bout criminals.
Imagine for an example throwing yourselfe upon a handgrenade to save your buddies.Or risking your life to save a bussload of children from a nutcase...
Hmm[;)] Probably those pesky terrorists consider themselfe pretty full of courage blowing themselfe up doing this walking talking push the button BOOM thinggy....0 -
Spanielsells do you think it would be easy to suck start a shotgun? Would you have the nerve to end your life? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Talented
Dont get stuck thinking bout criminals.
Imagine for an example throwing yourselfe upon a handgrenade to save your buddies.Or risking your life to save a bussload of children from a nutcase...
Hmm[;)] Probably those pesky terrorists consider themselfe pretty full of courage blowing themselfe up doing this walking talking push the button BOOM thinggy....
In your first scenario (giving up your life to save others), that is indeed a brave thing to do. But, we're talking apples and oranges here. The murderous guardsman who sniped his wife did nothing brave by taking his own life.
The second scenario is not due to an act of bravery but rather due to an act of brainwashing. Notice how the leaders are never the ones strapping bombs to their chests.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
Spanielsells do you think it would be easy to suck start a shotgun? Would you have the nerve to end your life?
Yes I would. I was suicidal for several years during my teens. If I had access to a gun, I would have probably done it, but I was also a wuss. I didn't want to slash my wrists because I was sure that someone would save me. I didn't want to do drugs because I was sure that I would wind up a vegetable in the process. A gun would have left little room for error (although it can happen).
I understand the desire to end ones life. Believe me, I do.
And, as I've matured and realized that life isn't just about me, I've also learned that no matter how bad things get, there's always something to live for and good to be done.
But, I've also arrived at the conclusion that I would end my life in a heartbeat to save the lives of those I love.0 -
I think we are confusing courage\bravery with lack of fear. They are two entirely different concepts and it makes no sense to take a "one size fits all approach."
Committing suicide simply demonstrates a lack of fear of dying and not necessarily courage when it is used to avoid societal consequences of divorce, public humiliation, financial ruin, prison etc. In these scenarios, the inherent primal fear of dying is simply replaced by a far greater fear of the consequences of living. This is not an act that could be considered courageous.
Suicide resulting from acts of heroism (the hand grenade example) is an example of bravery AND a lack of fear of consequences (pain, disfigurement etc). This is the purest form of courage.
Flame away if you will, but psychologically speaking, today's suicide bomber just like the Kamikaze pilot of yesteryear are both every bit as brave, courageous and fearless as the individual who intentionally smothered a grenade. The fact that their agenda and values differ from ours is not relevant. He/she still chose to die for a cause they believe honorable and worthwhile. This is also what makes them so very dangerous.0 -
quote:Originally posted by orionshooter
I think we are confusing courage\bravery with lack of fear. They are two entirely different concepts and it makes no sense to take a "one size fits all approach."
Committing suicide simply demonstrates a lack of fear of dying and not necessarily courage when it is used to avoid societal consequences of divorce, public humiliation, financial ruin, prison etc. In these scenarios, the inherent primal fear of dying is simply replaced by a far greater fear of the consequences of living. This is not an act that could be considered courageous.
Suicide resulting from acts of heroism (the hand grenade example) is an example of bravery AND a lack of fear of consequences (pain, disfigurement etc). This is the purest form of courage.
Flame away if you will, but psychologically speaking, today's suicide bomber just like the Kamikaze pilot of yesteryear are both every bit as brave, courageous and fearless as the individual who intentionally smothered a grenade. The fact that their agenda and values differ from ours is not relevant. He/she still chose to die for a cause they believe honorable and worthwhile. This is also what makes them so very dangerous.
Welcome to the forum, and for a first post, yours is fantastic!
I agree with all of what you say. My problem with the last part is that those who strap bombs on themselves are brainwashed. While they are dying for something they believe in, what they believe in is merely propaganda. I would be far more convinced if, say, Osama strapped bombs to his chest and blew himself up. But, the leaders of these bowel movements never do the deed themselves -- they always send in the uneducated masses to do their dirty work for them.0 -
Good ending for him. Too bad he didn't do it about a week earlier, she would still be alive. 0 -
scumbag........ 0 -
quote:Originally posted by eboydell
Let us look at this from a different point of view. First, I need to know the actual distance of the shot. If it was over 300 yards...well it was a good shot. Second, he only took out his primary target, the ex-wife.One shot, one kill. Third, he had a very nice rifle collection. Fourth, it was most likely a 7mm magnum...another nice choice.
9news in Denver is saying it was a 257 Weatherby. Not that they'd know a Winchester model 94 from a S&W model 19, but...0 -
it doesnt take courage to kill yourself. it simply takes a pull of your finger. however, it takes courage to LIVE and to take responsibility for your actions and to try to make life better for yourself and for others. 0 -
quote: Funny, Charles Whittman was trained by the Corps, but trapped himself in a tower...well nobody's perfect![:D][;)]
Whitman wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. That was a crazy day hosted by a crazed man with a death wish. I was there and it changed my life.
The thing I remember most is people off the street pulling their rifles out of their trucks and firing at Whitman in the tower. Also, a civilian helped with the final assault. Wouldn't see these things today.0 -
I could never kill myself. The only time I've wished I were dead was when I had some very intense pain. 0 -
He killed out of Love, how more depressed can one be? 0 -
He killed out of Love, how more depressed can one be? 0 -
He planned it all. He was in my store buying a bunch of shirts, pants and a pair of boots the day before he shot her. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by eboydell
Well I'll be darn! Matt, just when I think you are "fairly" interesting, you surprise me with yet another amazing story. Did you have your rifle? Boy! A COWBOY FAN, knew Charles Whitman,personally; next thing you will tell me is that you met TOM LANDRY!!![;)][:D]
I did not know Whitman personally smartass. I did not have my rifle, and I was only 10. Our house was just a few blocks off Guadalupe (the drag) in Austin. You could plainly hear the gunfire and hear the sirens. I was afraid of open drapes for several years after.
And yes, I met Tom Landry and Roger Staubach in 1972 before the Giants game...
I do sense sarcasm and disbelief in your statement, however. We aren't getting cross are we? We boys from Texas do not suffer being called liars...
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thank GOD and greyhound he's gone!! 0 -
A realy good sniper would have shot himself from 500 yards. 0 -
I suspect wifey was screwing around while hubby played soldier boy.
He couldn't take a joke and killed her; a tragic business for both and their relatives.
I feel pity here.0 -
v35,
I suspect this goon in green was a worthless human being.
The tragedy lies in the fact that this cowardly little $#!t stain of a human being chose to take someone else out before doing himself in.
Her death was a tragedy - his is a damned cause for celebration.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
I do sense sarcasm and disbelief in your statement, however. We aren't getting cross are we? We boys from Texas do not suffer being called liars...
Now, now, Matt -just take a deep breath and cool off a little. Swampy (Eboy) didn't mean no harm. It was all them crawdads and gators and broken dikes making his head funny. [;)]0 -
Nah, eboy ain't no coonass....they wouldn't stoop to bein' a lawyer [:D] 0
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