atf help
in building a ar or ak, and 10/22 pistol we have all stated that it must be registered at the time of purchase as a pistol correct?
i was going to purchase a receiver and have the ffl register it as a pistol, he says that this must be done at the factory, i need to find proof of how you are required to have a receiver registered as a pistol, at the time of 4473 or at the factory
thanks
yes i know you cannot change a rifle to a pistol, but may change a pistol to a rifle as long as it is not an sbr
i was going to purchase a receiver and have the ffl register it as a pistol, he says that this must be done at the factory, i need to find proof of how you are required to have a receiver registered as a pistol, at the time of 4473 or at the factory
thanks
yes i know you cannot change a rifle to a pistol, but may change a pistol to a rifle as long as it is not an sbr
0
-
Here is what I know from having done an AR and 10/22 pistol. I have not done the AK one yet and it may be slightly different.
The bare minimum legal to build a Pistol is to start with a virgin receiver, that is fact. Now at the time of purchase you still buying JUST a receiver. I am not a 01 FFL holder so I maybe incorrect on this (but this is my understanding) but to transfer a receiver only and to list it as a rifle or pistol on the 4473 or the bound book would not be correct. The reason this would not be correct is that a virgin receiver is NEITHER a rifle or a pistol since it has no features to make it one or the other. I have purchased 3 virgin receivers from 2 different dealers and they both listed "receiver only" on the 4473 and I assume so in their bound books as well.
As for when the virgin receiver is transfered to you it should be transfered as a "receiver only" since it is NOT (and can not be) a pistol or a rifle. On the 10/22 receiver the dealer that ordered it for me suggested that I do the Blue (dont know the number) pistol form just so there is no question about if my pistol was legal. Again on the Blue form it was listed as "receiver only" since it was not a pistol at the time.
Long story short what you will be buying is a virgin receiver and it should be listed as such on the transfer paperwork as such. After that you are allowed to do what you want as long as you follow the other rules like rifle to pistol and NFA stuff that you already know.
That is just my $0.020 -
btt 0 -
IMHO as long as you use a receiver made by an aftermarket company, like VOLQUARTSEN you should be OK. The Ruger receivers are serialed to a rifle. Local and State laws may be a problem. The "Blue Form" must be some kind of State/local thing, as it is not an ATF item.
Good luck
0 -
I had an interesting phone conversation years ago with an AR clone manufacturer who said the BAT-men were inspecting his facility so he couldn't really talk...
He said if the bare receivers I had purchased were designated as rifle receivers when they were made, then I couldn't legally make them into pistols. It didn't matter if they had never been assembled into anything yet (is that what you meant by virgin, Nwcid?), it mattered what they were called before the keel was laid, so to speak.
In case anyone is wondering, those bare receivers were made into rifles and sold before '89.0
Please sign in to leave a comment.
Comments
4 comments