45 or 10mm
is the 10mm more of a stopper than the 45?
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The 10mm has a higher velocity therefore more energy, however the .45 has a larger frontal diameter and that coupled with the slower velocity results in more energy deposited in the target (which is always a good thing).
That being said, it is hard to say which is a better "stopper". A bad guy that is hit in a vital area with either will most likely expire. There are always many other variables that have to be taken into account when talking about stopping power.0 -
A .45 should be easier to find ammo for. 0 -
Ive got a few 45's, but I was thinking about getting a 10mm. 0 -
the 45 is more abundant and "time-tested" than the 10mm, but the 10's higher velocity and still substantial diameter and mass makes it effective, especially with HPs that will allow for greater energy dump in the target. 0 -
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...decide for yourself...I love my 10mm's, especially my Colt DE.
...check out the ENERGY, and compare to .45...and the FPS aint to shabby either! I LOVE the .45, and have a "few".
DOUBLE TAP AMMO
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : 135gr. Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point.
Ballistics : 1600fps / 767 ft.lbs. - Glock 20
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : 200gr Controlled Exp. JHP
Ballistics : 1250fps/ 694ft./ lbs. - Glock 20
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : Gold Dot Lineup
Ballistics : 165gr. @ 1400fps/ 718ft/lbs- Glock 20
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : 200gr WFN Beartooth
Ballistics : 1300fps/ 750 ft./lbs. - Glock 20
Caliber : 10mm
Bullet : 230gr. two projectiles: 135gr. JHP and 95gr. lead ball
Ballistics : 1040fps/ 553 ft./lbs. - Glock 20
..and there are plenty of others...and ammo is not hard to find for the 10mm...[;)]
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460 Smith and Wesson.
If you're going to move up from 45acp go to something that'll make you giggle with each shot.0 -
I have a 1086 and love it!!! I have enough ammo to last a very loooong time!!![:D] 0 -
Giggle ot Jiggle!!![:D][:0] 0 -
Depends on what ya wanna use it for. The .45 is great for punchin' holes and self defense. The 10 does both plus you can use it to hunt with.
The ammo is cheaper fot the .45, but if you roll your own the 10 ain't much more.
The best thing to do would have one of each.0 -
I'll take the 10mm over the 45 ACP. The 10mm is good for paper, self-defense, and hunting. 0 -
I have a number in both calibers. The only time I would choose the 45 over the 10mm, would be in a SHTF situation because ammo would be easier to find for the 45. The 10 has a bit sharper recoil than the 45. 0 -
If you can handel the 10mm it is the one to go to for stopping power. It is greater than the 357mag and just about equal to the 41mag. My 2 cents 0 -
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
460 Smith and Wesson.
If you're going to move up from 45acp go to something that'll make you giggle with each shot.
I agree, but go all the way. [;)]
I'll have to go back and check the ballistics, but I believe the .460 puts the .500 to shame...0 -
Back to the original question...I have both 10MM, and 45. The 45 ammo is cheaper to practice with. A lot of 10MM ammo is loaded down substantially, to no where near what it was designed for. When loaded to full potential, the 10MM has an energy advantage over the 45...it is basically a 41 magnum in an auto pistol. Even though i have killed deer with both, the 10MM was more decisive. A quality made 45, can be turned into a 45 super, which will get you the energy figures of the 10MM, but the recoil will be there with it too.
The 45 has more accumulated actual shooting data that suggests it is more of a 1 shot man stopper than the 10MM. However, if i were in the back country fishing, and run into an irrate bear, i would prefer a 10MM or bigger.0 -
quote:The 45 has more accumulated actual shooting data that suggests it is more of a 1 shot man stopper than the 10MM.
Bingo! Not enough actual data on the 10mm, plenty on the .45, ballistics on paper not withstanding. You cannot compare data you do not have.0 -
If you are able to find the results of the infamous Strasbourg test, where they used live goats as a test medium to compare various different chamberings, the 10MM was on top of the pile. I believe the load of choice was the Norma made 170 JHP, or the 175 gr. Silver Tip by Winchester. 0 -
Didn't the Secret Service use the 10mm but discontinue because of over penetration and resulting collateral damage? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimberkid
Didn't the Secret Service use the 10mm but discontinue because of over penetration and resulting collateral damage?
No. The SS never issued the 10mm. The SS issues Sigs in 357 Sig as does the Air Marshals. The FBI issued the 10mm for awhile, but the Agents complained about the recoil and the heavy all stainless steel guns. The recoil was reduced by downloading the 10mm , thus the 40S&W was born.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
If you are able to find the results of the infamous Strasbourg test, where they used live goats as a test medium to compare various different chamberings, the 10MM was on top of the pile. I believe the load of choice was the Norma made 170 JHP, or the 175 gr. Silver Tip by Winchester.
The 357 magnum Quick-shok 125 grain out of a 4" barrel was tops with an Average Incapacitation Time of 4.40 seconds.0 -
PC800,
That is exactly correct about both claims regarding the 357, and the FBI. Actually most of the FBI guns were traded back in in unfired, or fired very little condition. They were the model 1076, and dealer cost was a mere 279.00 from Ron Shirks in 1991...a really good deal, considering they had Novak night sights as well. The 357 is tops for 1 shot stops too, but in the goat test, the 10MM was a real close runner up. However, the 45 was well below.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsr1965
PC800,
That is exactly correct about both claims regarding the 357, and the FBI. Actually most of the FBI guns were traded back in in unfired, or fired very little condition. They were the model 1076, and dealer cost was a mere 279.00 from Ron Shirks in 1991...a really good deal, considering they had Novak night sights as well. The 357 is tops for 1 shot stops too, but in the goat test, the 10MM was a real close runner up. However, the 45 was well below.
The top load for the 10mm was the Magsafe 96 grain, with an AIT of 4.48 seconds. Next was the Federal 155 grain with an AIT of 7.56. That was the old full power 10mm Federal load. I have a 1076, nice gun but it is heavy for a single stack. I actually like my 10mm Witness better though. A friend from high school is an FBI agent and she told me it was not unusual for the agents to take off that gun and leave it in their desk while working, (due to the weight and size banging around) then forget to put it back on when they left and be walking around without a gun.0
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