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POLL: AD vs ND

bigt7mm
Accidental Discharge versus
Negligent Discharge.

I contend there is NO such thing as "Accidental Discharge".
There are ALL,in one form or another,due to Negligence.

Hence,let the debate begin.

What say ye?
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  • A J Christ
    Agree, no accidental ones, negligent ones aplenty.
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  • Mk 19
    Common verbage is AD, but I do agree it should be ND
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  • SuburbanNoize
    What about on a CZ-52? Ive read it happens alot on that pistol. The owner of my favorite gun shop said it happened to him in the back of his shop. Said all he did was let the slide forward, and bang. Didnt hit anyone, just into the concrete wall. I guess you could counter by saying he should have changed the firing pin or something but...
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  • Jorge
    Depends on which end of the gun you're standing at.
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  • dcinffxva
    Depends on who the lawyer is representing
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  • Mk 19
    quote:What about on a CZ-52? Ive read it happens alot on that pistol. The owner of my favorite gun shop said it happened to him in the back of his shop. Said all he did was let the slide forward, and bang. Didnt hit anyone, just into the concrete wall. I guess you could counter by saying he should have changed the firing pin or something but...

    If it happens often then it is a known problem, not properly preparing to handle a known problem is known as being negligent, so that would then be an ND.
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  • SuburbanNoize
    quote:Originally posted by Mk 19
    quote:What about on a CZ-52? Ive read it happens alot on that pistol. The owner of my favorite gun shop said it happened to him in the back of his shop. Said all he did was let the slide forward, and bang. Didnt hit anyone, just into the concrete wall. I guess you could counter by saying he should have changed the firing pin or something but...

    If it happens often then it is a known problem, not properly preparing to handle a known problem is known as being negligent, so that would then be an ND.


    But if he didnt know that it wouldnt have been? Very nice rebuttal by the way.
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  • ljwrench
    Accidents DON'T just happen. In the reply about the CZ firing when the slide is moved forward there is either a design flaw or a mechanical problem. IMO the same goes with automobile accidents. They are not accidents.
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  • ripley16
    I prefer OSISM

    Stands for Oh s##t, I shot myself!
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  • e8gm
    I've had two slam fires with a AR. Neither were negligent on my part. Both took place on the firing line during a match. Were these two negligent or accident?
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  • Da-Tank
    When I were young, a lot of years ago. She was just to pretty and I was new at it. I assure it went off accidently. Was not due to negulence. Happened a lot at the age of 15.
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  • KSUmarksman
    I will say negligent unless your firearm happens to have an unexpected MAJOR MALFUNCTION, which is my one legitimate excuse to call it an accidental discharge
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  • bpost
    I had an AD. It was a Colt 1911 series 70, well shot and HOT. it blew a hole in the edge of the ammo can, through the 3/4" plywood in the van, through the floor of the van and left one hell of a dent in the gas tank. I DID not have my finger on the trigger when I seated the magazine, released the slide and the hammer followed the slide down.

    Yes; it tore up some plywood and Built Ford Tough steel; but it was not pointed at a person when it went BANG. That was an AD.
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  • ripley16
    As a side note:

    The only person I know that ever had a OSISM is a very capable agent of the F.B.I's Hostage Rescue Team. It can happen to the best of us.
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  • David Nunn
    quote:I DID not have my finger on the trigger when I seated the magazine, released the slide and the hammer followed the slide down.

    You SHOULD have had your finger on the trigger when you released the slide. This would take the sear out of engagement and the hammer would not have followed the slide home. This is an old .45 trick for when you stone your trigger so light that the hammer follows. Just pull back on the trigger while cycling the first round and the hammer will stay cocked.
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  • spurgemastur
    Start changing the language you use. A lot of emergency professionals no longer refer to car accidents. They are now motor vehicle collisions. It'll take a few years, but after a while it'll start to sound normal to most people.

    Edit: That's interesting, Nunn. Thanks. Time to get it out and figure out how that works.
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  • buschmaster
    they both happen. that's why you don't point it at anything you don't want shot.
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  • bigdaddyjunior
    I had a Glock that split it's firing pin and hung up. As I stood there pointing it down range contemplating what I was going to do with a pistol that didn't go bang after pulling it's trigger, it went BANG! I don't know that you could call it an accident since I did pull the trigger and I was not negligent since I kept the gun pointed in a safe direction.
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  • buschmaster
    hang fire. accidental discharge.
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  • Colt Super
    You either have had an unexpected discharge, or you will have.

    Doug

    * edited for spelling
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  • SuburbanNoize
    Doug, i think unexpected discharge is a better term than accidental discharge.
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  • RustyNail
    It is possible for a gun to "Accidentally" discharge. There is an argument or criticism for any plausible scenario. The important thing is that we always handle guns as though loaded and always point in a safe direction--this much is within our control. The accident versus neglegence argument is only really important after someone is unintentionally shot--no injury = no issue[^] My vote is "ND" your gun/your bullet/your responsibility.
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  • PC800
    Could be either. Gun could be broken:AD You pull the trigger by mistake:ND.
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