War Stretches Nations Ammo Supply
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DES MOINES, Iowa - Ammunition shipments to local gun shops and police departments are being delayed for months because the Army has more than tripled its demand for small caliber ammunition.
Ammunition plants have dramatically ratcheted up production, but company officials acknowledge delays to police and retailers of up to a year.
"There are millions of rounds backordered because the war has put such a demand on the manufacturers," said Lana Ulner, manager of Rapid City, S.D.-based Ultramax Ammunition, a distributor for several manufacturers. "In some cases, it can take eight to 12 months."
The Army's demand for small caliber ammunition has soared from 426 million rounds in 2001 to 1.5 billion rounds in 2006, according to the Joint Munitions Command at the Rock Island Arsenal in Illinois.
The government spent $688 million on ammunition last year, up from $242 million in 2001, said Gail Smith, a Joint Munitions Command spokeswoman. The most common rounds ordered are 5.56 mm, 7.62 mm and .50 caliber, she said.
Much of the ammunition used by the Defense Department comes from a plant in Lake City, Mo., owned by Alliant Techsystems Inc. The plant's production has increased nearly fourfold, said company spokesman Bryce Hallowell.
"We have ... hired hundreds of people and turned our plants into 24/7 operations where they weren't just a couple of years ago to meet that demand," said Hallowell, whose company also has plants in Anoka, Minn., and Lewiston, Idaho. "We're running full-out."
He said the war, depleted ammunition reserves and the lack of foreign competition have all contributed to the surging demand.
The strong sales helped Minnesota-based Alliant's ammunition systems group see a 10 percent increase in sales for the fourth quarter and a 15 percent for the last fiscal year.
"The increase reflects higher volumes in medium-caliber gun systems and ammunition, civil ammunition and military small-caliber ammunition," the company said in a statement.
Ann Pipkin, a spokeswoman for East Alton, Ill.-based Winchester Ammunition, said the company also is seeing a backlog on orders for certain types of ammunition, but she wouldn't give specifics.
Because of the increased demand, police in Des Moines said it's taking twice as long to get ammunition orders as a few years ago - up to eight months. Still, the department has not decreased it use of ammunition.
"We're not experiencing any shortages, but they are planning ahead to accommodate for the delay caused by the war," said Sgt. Todd Dykstra, a police spokesman.
Larry Maynes, owner of JLM Gun Shoppe in Urbandale, said military ammunition and weapons are popular with his customers because the mass production makes them less expensive.
"I have some in stock, but it won't be easy to replace," he said.
In most cases, customers buy the military-style weapons for target practice, but some people use them to shoot small animals, Maynes said.
"Guys like those for prairie dogs and coyotes primarily," he said.
At Darr's Shooting Supply in Chattanooga, Tenn., the wait for some types of ammunition was four months at the end of 2006, said salesman Jeff Brewton.
Given the Army's need for ammunition, he said few customers complain.
"There hasn't been a whole lot of problems," Brewton said. "They ... understand what's going on."
Jeff Lepp, chief executive of Specialty Sports & Supply, a high-volume dealer in Colorado Springs, Colo., agreed.
"I certainly concur that the military should have the ammunition in a situation like this," Lepp said.
DES MOINES, Iowa - Ammunition shipments to local gun shops and police departments are being delayed for months because the Army has more than tripled its demand for small caliber ammunition.
Ammunition plants have dramatically ratcheted up production, but company officials acknowledge delays to police and retailers of up to a year.
"There are millions of rounds backordered because the war has put such a demand on the manufacturers," said Lana Ulner, manager of Rapid City, S.D.-based Ultramax Ammunition, a distributor for several manufacturers. "In some cases, it can take eight to 12 months."
The Army's demand for small caliber ammunition has soared from 426 million rounds in 2001 to 1.5 billion rounds in 2006, according to the Joint Munitions Command at the Rock Island Arsenal in Illinois.
The government spent $688 million on ammunition last year, up from $242 million in 2001, said Gail Smith, a Joint Munitions Command spokeswoman. The most common rounds ordered are 5.56 mm, 7.62 mm and .50 caliber, she said.
Much of the ammunition used by the Defense Department comes from a plant in Lake City, Mo., owned by Alliant Techsystems Inc. The plant's production has increased nearly fourfold, said company spokesman Bryce Hallowell.
"We have ... hired hundreds of people and turned our plants into 24/7 operations where they weren't just a couple of years ago to meet that demand," said Hallowell, whose company also has plants in Anoka, Minn., and Lewiston, Idaho. "We're running full-out."
He said the war, depleted ammunition reserves and the lack of foreign competition have all contributed to the surging demand.
The strong sales helped Minnesota-based Alliant's ammunition systems group see a 10 percent increase in sales for the fourth quarter and a 15 percent for the last fiscal year.
"The increase reflects higher volumes in medium-caliber gun systems and ammunition, civil ammunition and military small-caliber ammunition," the company said in a statement.
Ann Pipkin, a spokeswoman for East Alton, Ill.-based Winchester Ammunition, said the company also is seeing a backlog on orders for certain types of ammunition, but she wouldn't give specifics.
Because of the increased demand, police in Des Moines said it's taking twice as long to get ammunition orders as a few years ago - up to eight months. Still, the department has not decreased it use of ammunition.
"We're not experiencing any shortages, but they are planning ahead to accommodate for the delay caused by the war," said Sgt. Todd Dykstra, a police spokesman.
Larry Maynes, owner of JLM Gun Shoppe in Urbandale, said military ammunition and weapons are popular with his customers because the mass production makes them less expensive.
"I have some in stock, but it won't be easy to replace," he said.
In most cases, customers buy the military-style weapons for target practice, but some people use them to shoot small animals, Maynes said.
"Guys like those for prairie dogs and coyotes primarily," he said.
At Darr's Shooting Supply in Chattanooga, Tenn., the wait for some types of ammunition was four months at the end of 2006, said salesman Jeff Brewton.
Given the Army's need for ammunition, he said few customers complain.
"There hasn't been a whole lot of problems," Brewton said. "They ... understand what's going on."
Jeff Lepp, chief executive of Specialty Sports & Supply, a high-volume dealer in Colorado Springs, Colo., agreed.
"I certainly concur that the military should have the ammunition in a situation like this," Lepp said.
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1.5 Billion rounds?
maybe we need more snipers0 -
oh boy, my old stash is valuable now!~
do i smell an auction soon?[8D]0 -
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=72153611
no joke,
900 rds of 5.56 for $500 at least with bidding still going!0 -
[V]I know, I think twice about shooting my AR anymore, used to be I didn't care it was cheap as easily replaced. now even what used to be cheap WOLF ammo is and can go for $180 per 1000. I never thought it good ammo but cheap for plinking. I had 2000rnds of the Lake City Arsenal green tipped. that I picked up for $179 per 1000 it was a hella deal 2yrs ago now that stuff will easily fetch $500 per 1000.
I'm seariously thinking about getting the lee loadmaster out and setting it up just for some good cheap AR ammo. Even Cabelas cheap bulk stuff is pushing the $200 per 500 range.[xx(]0 -
I guess that is why the whole asile of lead reloading bullets is almost all gone off the shelf of Sportsmans Warehouse in Portland.
The inexpensive bulk lead is not available. The expensive stuff is still there.[:0]0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=72153611
no joke,
900 rds of 5.56 for $500 at least with bidding still going!
Gees! I know were I can but a 1400 round case of the stuff for $300 right now!
I guess I should buy it and auction it off huh!0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=72153611
no joke,
900 rds of 5.56 for $500 at least with bidding still going!
Gees! I know were I can but a 1400 round case of the stuff for $300 right now!
I guess I should buy it and auction it off huh!
[:0] What are you doing here, get over there and snag it before they get wise and jack the price's up[:D]0 -
Well send me the guys # and Ill pay you $300 for your trouble! if he'll sell it to mequote:Originally posted by git_r_done
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=72153611
no joke,
900 rds of 5.56 for $500 at least with bidding still going!
Gees! I know were I can but a 1400 round case of the stuff for $300 right now!
I guess I should buy it and auction it off huh!0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
Well send me the guys # and Ill pay you $300 for your trouble! if he'll sell it to mequote:Originally posted by git_r_done
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=72153611
no joke,
900 rds of 5.56 for $500 at least with bidding still going!
Gees! I know were I can but a 1400 round case of the stuff for $300 right now!
I guess I should buy it and auction it off huh!
I can pick it up for you and we can work something out. It is at the gun shop just up the road from me and he will set it aside for me if I ask.
I have not bought it because I do not have an AR or anything in .223 yet!0 -
Just let me know, that is a deal. I will pay you something good + S/h! that would be awesome 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
Just let me know, that is a deal. I will pay you something good + S/h! that would be awesome
He is closed right now, but I will get ahold of him first thing in the AM.0 -
let me know how much for what price. I dont mind paying shipping, know that it will be a PITA to you. Just let me know how you want to handle it.
Thanks0 -
That's what happens when you change from perfectly good
bolt actions to semi/full autos!
... shoulda known better! [:o)]0 -
DAMN!
I have 840 rounds of this stuff on stripper clips and cardboard boxes in Bandoleers in an ammo can for the inevitable.0 -
quote:Gees! I know were I can but a 1400 round case of the stuff for $300 right now!
This should be interesting...0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
let me know how much for what price. I dont mind paying shipping, know that it will be a PITA to you. Just let me know how you want to handle it.
Thanks
So you know what it is, I was checking it out a while back and took these pictures. It is a sealed wood crate. And it actually is 1560 rounds.

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well not quite the same stuff, but it shoots ok. if thats guatimalian.
Not nearly as nice, pretty dirty
added it up, not worth the trouble, but thanks
That is still a fair deal , if you want it, just wouldnt be willing to pay extra for that.0 -
quote:So you know what it is, I was checking it out a while back and took these pictures.
Hmmm...So what y'all is sayin'...back in October y'all went into the local gun shop and took pic's of a crate of 5.56...?...0 -
Who's that guy who just a couple weeks ago bought I think 60 thousand rounds of 7.62x39 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
well not quite the same stuff, but it shoots ok. if thats guatimalian.
I only know what is on the crate. I was looking at it for my brother on the date on the picture and he determand it was not the right grain for what he wanted.
The shop also has some other ammo cans that have (I believe) 750 rounds each that he is wanting about $200 each for.0 -
300 for 1560 is a better deal
I bought radway green for cheaper than the 750/$200 (800 for $180)
Thatll tide me over0 -
I was talking to the range master for the Minneapolis Police Department range a couple weeks ago, and he has had a large order in for training ammo, for his officers ongoing in-service training, and routine qualification. (Minneapolis has over 800 officers) He has been back logged several months now, despite that as a police department, he enjoys fairly high priority from the suppliers, and that his supplier, Federal, is right up the road in Anoka, Minnesota. Military demand is just that large, right now. 0 -
Iv got 3000rds of the cheap wolf on back order for about the past 3 months but im locked in at 147.00 per 1000 [:D][:D] if i ever get it [:0] 0 -
It will turn around. When the Iraq thing is down all that ammo will eventually be surplus. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Warpig883
It will turn around. When the Iraq thing is down all that ammo will eventually be surplus.
I thought Clinton signed an executive order preventing surplus ammo from being sold to civilians0 -
If there will be surplus and if we can get our hands on it, it will still be going for more than what we use to get it for.
Just like gas prices.
They see that we will pay for it no matter how much it is so they keep rasing it.0 -
Hope it doesn't get so bad they have to emanate domain my stock pile!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=72153611
no joke,
900 rds of 5.56 for $500 at least with bidding still going!
doesn't mean anything but that people don't know where else to find it besides gunbroker. here's a couple of quick examples:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=71638563
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=72440197
i just got same stuff for less.0 -
i know, but still amazing
That was also new production LC SS1090 -
does it make it worth this much? here's another proof that people aren't always all there:
Current Bid $560.99
BuyNow! Price was $495.00
Happens all the time at auction sites, i've seen things go on ebay for double the price someone could pay say at amazon for the same exact item.0
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