Dealer Requirements for a Transfer
I had a pistol transfered to a local from an out of state seller. The seller was going to send it through a local FFL but shipped directly instead. My dealer doesn't have a problem receiving the item directly but does want the seller to fax a copy of his photo ID. The seller is dragging his feet and says this is not a legal requirement and is unusual.
Is this an unusual expectation?
Thanks to anyone who can help with this.
Nick
Is this an unusual expectation?
Thanks to anyone who can help with this.
Nick
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quote:Originally posted by select-fire
How long ( how many days ) does the receiving FFL have to get the receiving gun recorded?
I believe it is 24 hours, but I would have to look it up. but you can claim extenuating circumstances, like not being able to identify the sender.[}:)]0 -
Well there is not an excuse not being able to identify a sender by the sender sending it by signature required to receive it. Who does the FFL think sent it .. the Pope..??? All tracking is traceable. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Well there is not an excuse not being able to identify a sender by the sender sending it by signature required to receive it. Who does the FFL think sent it .. the Pope..??? All tracking is traceable.
sometimes I can't believe the space shuttle even gets off the ground [}:)][;)]
You can only track back to the carriers counter, that does not identify the sender / seller, (have you ever had UPS/fedex ask for ID?)
There is nothing wrong with asking for positive ID on a seller, it at least gives you a possible name & face if the gun comes up hot, which is better than a illegable scribble on a piece of brown kraft paper.
Don0 -
Show me a bound book that has space for the picture ID. of the seller. I would expect to see all his recorded pictures from all his sales should I decide to put his sorry butt in court.
You know it is funny nobody requests picture ID on Gunbroker..0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Show me a bound book that has space for the picture ID. of the seller.
Show me one that has space for a ffl copy.
Don0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
I've changed my mind... Screw the guy.. Call up your Sheriff's Dept. or Police and have them meet you at the FFL. Take your information and let the Cops write a report if the FFL won't give you your gun. Have them call BATFE or you can on the cell phone. Have the phone number ready. I bet you get you gun ASAP.
This isn't a communist country, in case you didn't know. If the dealer doesn't want to do a transfer without the info it's his business not to do so!
Thats fine but I believe he will do it as required by law.. He won't be making up his own rules.. at least not dealing with me. BATFE will set him straight on that.
you're a tough learner... MY SHOP. MY RULES. ATF doesn't get in the way of a dealer doing business any way he likes as long as he is legal. This may surprise you too... a dealer can refuse to do business with you for no reason at all! His business, his perogative! He will make up his own rules and if you don't like it you do business elsewhere!0 -
You know it is funny nobody requests picture ID on Gunbroker..
Guess I am just lucky... Don't have any Nonsense like demanding photo ID from my FFL..[:D][:D][:D][:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
You know it is funny nobody requests picture ID on Gunbroker..
Guess I am just lucky... Don't have any Nonsense like demanding photo ID from my FFL..[:D][:D][:D][:D]
At my shop it was never an issue. Until it became an issue. Packages would sometimes arrive with a "postal mailboxes, etc" return address, return address from some "tractor parts company" etc without any indication of who the actual shipping person was, never mind the seller.
Get one like that, deliver it, then the gun gets pawned and comes back stolen. Pawn shop turns it into the PD. Owner can't get it back, lets police know he legally owns it and gives them the FFL info. PD asks why used firearm form (complete with fingerprints) wasn't filled out or turned in on that item (I realize this is a state law) and you tell them because it was only a transfer. They ask for seller info... you hope you have valid info...
Not worth the hassles... no one should need to hide their identity. Most sellers, even if not dealers, wrongly request and get a copy of the dealers FFL. They should have no problem submitting ID themselves.0 -
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
You know it is funny nobody requests picture ID on Gunbroker..
Guess I am just lucky... Don't have any Nonsense like demanding photo ID from my FFL..[:D][:D][:D][:D]
At my shop it was never an issue. Until it became an issue. Packages would sometimes arrive with a "postal mailboxes, etc" return address, return address from some "tractor parts company" etc without any indication of who the actual shipping person was, never mind the seller.
Get one like that, deliver it, then the gun gets pawned and comes back stolen. Pawn shop turns it into the PD. Owner can't get it back, lets police know he legally owns it and gives them the FFL info. PD asks why used firearm form (complete with fingerprints) wasn't filled out or turned in on that item (I realize this is a state law) and you tell them because it was only a transfer. They ask for seller info... you hope you have valid info...
Not worth the hassles... no one should need to hide their identity. Most sellers, even if not dealers, wrongly request and get a copy of the dealers FFL. They should have no problem submitting ID themselves.
Exactly.
If someone wants to do business with a licensed dealer but wants to do so annonamously, they can find another dealer.0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
You know it is funny nobody requests picture ID on Gunbroker..
Guess I am just lucky... Don't have any Nonsense like demanding photo ID from my FFL..[:D][:D][:D][:D]
At my shop it was never an issue. Until it became an issue. Packages would sometimes arrive with a "postal mailboxes, etc" return address, return address from some "tractor parts company" etc without any indication of who the actual shipping person was, never mind the seller.
Get one like that, deliver it, then the gun gets pawned and comes back stolen. Pawn shop turns it into the PD. Owner can't get it back, lets police know he legally owns it and gives them the FFL info. PD asks why used firearm form (complete with fingerprints) wasn't filled out or turned in on that item (I realize this is a state law) and you tell them because it was only a transfer. They ask for seller info... you hope you have valid info...
Not worth the hassles... no one should need to hide their identity. Most sellers, even if not dealers, wrongly request and get a copy of the dealers FFL. They should have no problem submitting ID themselves.
Exactly.
If someone wants to do business with a licensed dealer but wants to do so annonamously, they can find another dealer.
Funny thing is, guys like select-fire think they can tell a private business how to do things! And the words lawsuit have even come out because he feels the dealer should be doing things the select-fire way and not the way the licensed FFL business owner feels like doing them! Sad commentary on our society.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Show me a bound book that has space for the picture ID. of the seller. I would expect to see all his recorded pictures from all his sales should I decide to put his sorry butt in court.0 -
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
You know it is funny nobody requests picture ID on Gunbroker..
Guess I am just lucky... Don't have any Nonsense like demanding photo ID from my FFL..[:D][:D][:D][:D]
At my shop it was never an issue. Until it became an issue. Packages would sometimes arrive with a "postal mailboxes, etc" return address, return address from some "tractor parts company" etc without any indication of who the actual shipping person was, never mind the seller.
Get one like that, deliver it, then the gun gets pawned and comes back stolen. Pawn shop turns it into the PD. Owner can't get it back, lets police know he legally owns it and gives them the FFL info. PD asks why used firearm form (complete with fingerprints) wasn't filled out or turned in on that item (I realize this is a state law) and you tell them because it was only a transfer. They ask for seller info... you hope you have valid info...
Not worth the hassles... no one should need to hide their identity. Most sellers, even if not dealers, wrongly request and get a copy of the dealers FFL. They should have no problem submitting ID themselves.
Exactly.
If someone wants to do business with a licensed dealer but wants to do so annonamously, they can find another dealer.
Funny thing is, guys like select-fire think they can tell a private business how to do things! And the words lawsuit have even come out because he feels the dealer should be doing things the select-fire way and not the way the licensed FFL business owner feels like doing them! Sad commentary on our society.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Show me a bound book that has space for the picture ID. of the seller. I would expect to see all his recorded pictures from all his sales should I decide to put his sorry butt in court.
My FFL isn't as stupid as you !!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
You know it is funny nobody requests picture ID on Gunbroker..
Guess I am just lucky... Don't have any Nonsense like demanding photo ID from my FFL..[:D][:D][:D][:D]
At my shop it was never an issue. Until it became an issue. Packages would sometimes arrive with a "postal mailboxes, etc" return address, return address from some "tractor parts company" etc without any indication of who the actual shipping person was, never mind the seller.
Get one like that, deliver it, then the gun gets pawned and comes back stolen. Pawn shop turns it into the PD. Owner can't get it back, lets police know he legally owns it and gives them the FFL info. PD asks why used firearm form (complete with fingerprints) wasn't filled out or turned in on that item (I realize this is a state law) and you tell them because it was only a transfer. They ask for seller info... you hope you have valid info...
Not worth the hassles... no one should need to hide their identity. Most sellers, even if not dealers, wrongly request and get a copy of the dealers FFL. They should have no problem submitting ID themselves.
Exactly.
If someone wants to do business with a licensed dealer but wants to do so annonamously, they can find another dealer.
Funny thing is, guys like select-fire think they can tell a private business how to do things! And the words lawsuit have even come out because he feels the dealer should be doing things the select-fire way and not the way the licensed FFL business owner feels like doing them! Sad commentary on our society.
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
Show me a bound book that has space for the picture ID. of the seller. I would expect to see all his recorded pictures from all his sales should I decide to put his sorry butt in court.
My FFL isn't as stupid as you !!!
Guess that post explains it all as far as you're concerned...0 -
Pretty much, He is a Fireman and his son is a Police Officer. 0 -
I notice the ones ranting about sellers providing a ID are not licensee's[:0] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by vicg1
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
You know it is funny nobody requests picture ID on Gunbroker..
Guess I am just lucky... Don't have any Nonsense like demanding photo ID from my FFL..[:D][:D][:D][:D]
At my shop it was never an issue. Until it became an issue. Packages would sometimes arrive with a "postal mailboxes, etc" return address, return address from some "tractor parts company" etc without any indication of who the actual shipping person was, never mind the seller.
Get one like that, deliver it, then the gun gets pawned and comes back stolen. Pawn shop turns it into the PD. Owner can't get it back, lets police know he legally owns it and gives them the FFL info. PD asks why used firearm form (complete with fingerprints) wasn't filled out or turned in on that item (I realize this is a state law) and you tell them because it was only a transfer. They ask for seller info... you hope you have valid info...
Not worth the hassles... no one should need to hide their identity. Most sellers, even if not dealers, wrongly request and get a copy of the dealers FFL. They should have no problem submitting ID themselves.
Exactly.
If someone wants to do business with a licensed dealer but wants to do so annonamously, they can find another dealer.
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You would be mistaken, Sir.
When a customer walks in the door, I must, as a dealer who holds a "Secondhand Dealer License" in the City of Mesa, AZ, see the seller or consignees identification, if I buy the weapon from him I must pay only by check, and I must send the stats on the gun and the seller/consignee to the City's Pawn detail where they run the SNs and I must hold the gun for 10 calender days.
If I am not contacted in those 10 days, I may sell the firearm.
Just another instance where some of us, get licenses, play (and pay) by the rules, while a bunch of cheapsters build unwarranted, untaxed guns in their basements, use gunshows and the internet as their own 2nd job, and generally ignore all the rules that I agonize over the diligent adherence to.
D.
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
I'd bet $100 that if that same dealer were at a gunshow he would not ask for ID if he were buying the pistol from a walk in.[:(!]
Dealers that have more restrictive requirements than what the law calls for are no better than the GUN GRABBERS in my book!!!!! [:(!][:(!][:(!][:(!]0
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