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  • medic07
    There is NO WAY that is full auto for that price. If it is...someone is gonna get lucky and the seller is gonna be crying over loss of money.

    I just cant see any FULL AUTO going for less than $10K these days.
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  • Sith Lord
    It say Full Auto class III....[:0]

    like I said "I don't get it"
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  • 788-308
    "Post May Dealer Sample"
    Manufactured after May 1986. Can only be sold to or possesed by a Class III dealer. Possession by anyone else = 3 hots and a cot for a long time.
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  • Sith Lord
    quote:Originally posted by 788-308
    "Post May Dealer Sample"
    Manufactured after May 1986. Can only be sold to or possesed by a Class III dealer. Possession by anyone else = 3 hots and a cot for a long time.



    Is that the reason for the price??????
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  • pickenup
    quote:Originally posted by Sith Lord
    Is that the reason for the price??????
    Yes.
    Police, military, etc. can still buy full autos for "almost" what they were being sold for in 1986.

    Civilians CAN NOT buy these, and pay OUTRAGEOUS amounts for the ones we are "allowed" to own. The preMay 86 ones.
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  • medic07
    Now it makes perfect sense...forgot about the POST rules for Class III weapons.

    Man that sucks for us "commoners" [}:)]
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  • 788-308
    One can get their Class III license and then buy one for the low price. [:D]
    BUT, if you give up the Class III license, you have to give up the gun.[8]
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  • Sith Lord
    O.K. now it all makes sence. Thank you 788-308
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  • AZEX
    Don't forget about the PD demo letter.

    That's the sticking point for most folks. They haven't made any inroads with local PDs to get letters.

    Post-sample MGs sell for what the parts are worth. What they SHOULD sell for, if the damn .gov didn't meddle in 1968, 1986, 1989 etc...

    D.
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  • medic07
    Actually if I understand the Class III rules, we civilians cannot buy them.

    Civilians can obtain a Class III permit and purchase ANY PRE MAY 86 full auto firearm. These are now EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.

    Any weapon built after May 1986 (POST MAY 86) that is full auto may ONLY be bought by government agencies. No civilian may legally obtain one of the Post May 86 weapons.

    You can get your Class III, but you are gonna pay $10K and up most likely...and most people who own a Pre May are not parting with theirs.
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  • 788-308
    "Dealer Sample"

    What a Class III dealer has on hand for demo purposes. Saves wear and tear on the high dollar Pre-86 guns.

    Where do you want to spend your money? For a Class III Dealer's License and low priced toys, or big bucks up front for the Pre-86?

    Drop in sears for the AR's and HK's cost nearly as much as the complete weapon nowdays.
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  • AZEX
    To be a Class 2 or Class 3 one must first have a Federal Firearms License, and then pay a yearly SOT (Special Occupational Tax) to deal (C3) or manufacture (C2), which is 1000.00 per year, paid at the beginning of the Fiscal Year, July 1, and due by June 30 of the following year.

    If one has a gross receipts (from NFA items) of less than IIRC 100,000 per year, they may apply for a reduced SOT of 500 per year.

    To purchase a post-86 sample, the purchaser must have a valid FFL, a valid SOT, and a demo letter from any PD or other LE agency requesting a demonstration of that type of firearm.

    In the past few years, the unaccountable bureaucrats in the ATF have issued arbitrary and seemingly incomprehensable restrictions on the letters....These include:

    A limit on number of post-sample firearms that can be in inventory, which are post-samples transferred in from somewhere else.

    (i.e., I'm a manufacturer, I can build 100 mgs a day or more, if I have the industrial capacity, but I can only own 2 SAWs...BUT, I can own 2 SAWs if they are registered as "M249", I can own two more if they are registered as "Minimi", and I can own two more if they are registered as "M249 Para" even though changing an M249 to an M249 Para takes less than a minute, to swap the stock and the bbl.)

    Same deal with the HKs. I currently have in inventory 2 MP5s registered as "MP5A2" and two others registered as "MP5SFA2"...this is in complete accordance with the current rules.

    The other stuff they've done is to arbitrarily declare letters dated earlier than a year from their receipt as "outdated" so that the SOT must go acquire another letter.

    I have my PDs provide me with individual models listed on individual letters, rather than the easier, but more likely to be deemed "outdated" LIST of firearms for acquisition.

    Some other recent difficulties have included agents who don't work for the NFA branch calling the PDs issuing the letters and asking them if they actually intend to purchase the firearm listed on the letter. This constitutes harassment as the rules do not state that the letter MUST be for a demo of a weapon which the PD actually wishes to purchase. Opinions differ on this, with some ATF folks contending that firearms not currently favored by PDs or not in production do not need to be demo'd to PDs.

    The other issue which has recently popped up is that the SOTs are not actually performing the demonstrations that the letter requests. Despite not being part of the Law or current rules as issued forth by NFA branch, I keep detailed records of my demonstrations in case they are requested by some ambitious ATF agent in the future.

    D.
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