I agree with John Kerry . . . .
I find myself on uncommon ground, but I agree with Kerry on this one.
Sen. John Kerry Intervenes on Behalf of Missing Soldier's Illegal Immigrant Wife
Wednesday, June 20, 2007
by Greg Simmons
WASHINGTON -
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., has asked the Department of Homeland Security not to deport the wife of an Army specialist who is missing in Iraq while the search continues for him, his office said Wednesday.
Army Spec. Alex Jimenez has been missing since May 12, when his unit was ambushed by insurgents. His wife, Yaderlin, entered the country illegally in 2001, according to Kerry's office, and the two married in 2004. Procedures to deport Yaderlin Jimenez have begun, although an immigration judge has halted the proceedings while the search for her husband continues. The two live in Lawrence, Mass.
"Under no condition should our country ever deport the spouse of a soldier who is currently serving in uniform abroad," Kerry said, in a statement provided to FOXNews.com.
In the letter to Homeland Security Department Secretary Michael Chertoff, Kerry wrote: "I do not believe that Yaderlin should have her stress and grief compounded by additional worries about her own immigration status. I request that no further action be taken (in) Yaderlin's case while her husband is missing in action. As Yaderlin waits to hear what has happened to her husband I ask that she be allowed to stay in our country."
"I believe this is a very real test of our government's compassion for a military family which has already made enormous sacrifices for the United States," the letter continued.
Vincent Morris, a spokesman for Kerry, said the senator is also looking into whether this is a more widespread problem in the Army.
A spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security was not immediately available for comment.
But it remains to be seen if Kerry's efforts will be enough to prevent the deportation of Yaderlin Jimenez, whose maiden name is Hiraldo.
Jimenez family attorney Matthew Kolken, reached briefly at his Buffalo, N.Y., office, said the letter won't change his client's legal status, but "that letter is very good in that they (authorities) have it in their power to make a motion in her case" to reopen the proceedings.
Another immigration attorney said only an act of Congress would ensure the wife's legal status in the United States.
"Unless Congress passes a private bill on her behalf, she is subject to deportation," said Charles Kuck, an immigration lawyer and president-elect of the Washington, D.C.-based American Immigration Lawyers Association. The group has more than 10,000 members.
Morris said Kerry's office is "taking it one step at a time," and could consider other options including a private bill, although this letter seemed to be the fastest method available.
"The senator wanted to put up a bright red flag and say, 'hold on,' " Morris said.
Kuck, speaking with FOXNews.com from his Atlanta office, said he suspects this is a widespread problem among military families. He said he believes that throughout the country, there are between 1 million and 3 million families where one spouse is not a legal resident.
"I get a call like this at least two to three times today: 'What can I do to help my spouse, but he came in illegally?' " Kuck said.
Boston television station WBZ-TV reported that Alex Jimenez, 25, had requested through U.S. immigration services a hardship waiver to gain legal status for his wife.
"I can't imagine a bigger injustice than that, to be deporting someone's wife who is fighting and possibly dying for our country," Kolken told the station.
Kuck said that immigration laws right now pose a Catch-22 for families like the Jimenezes. The process that they likely went through requires the spouse who needs the waiver to first leave the country, and then go to the U.S. consulate in his or her home country. In this case, the Dominican Republic.
The waivers are rare. Kuck said only a few thousand a year are issued, and they favor Mexicans because of the volume of applications. But because Yaderlin Jimenez had been in the country illegally for longer than one year, she would be forced to stay away from the United States for 10 years once she left the United States, Kuck said.
Kuck said he does not fault Immigration and Customs Services for enforcing the law, but this particular problem penalizes the legal U.S. citizen spouses of the illegal residents. He said the law should be changed so the waiver hearings can be held inside the United States.
"When you're deporting the spouses of U.S. soldiers, I think the law's harsh enough," Kuck said. "Essentially we're punishing U.S. Citizens. That's why it's so essential to have comprehensive immigration reform."
Alex Jimenez and Pvt. Brian Fouty, 19, of Waterford, Mich., remain missing more than a month after the attack on their 10th Mountain Division unit. Their identification cards were found in an Al Qaeda safe house near Baghdad this weekend. A video posted earlier this month by a group affiliated with the terrorist group claimed the men had been killed, but did not provide specific proof of the claim.
The body of one soldier who was captured with Jimenez and Fouty has been found, and four other U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter were killed in the attack.
Sen. John Kerry Intervenes on Behalf of Missing Soldier's Illegal Immigrant Wife
Wednesday, June 20, 2007
by Greg Simmons
WASHINGTON -
Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., has asked the Department of Homeland Security not to deport the wife of an Army specialist who is missing in Iraq while the search continues for him, his office said Wednesday.
Army Spec. Alex Jimenez has been missing since May 12, when his unit was ambushed by insurgents. His wife, Yaderlin, entered the country illegally in 2001, according to Kerry's office, and the two married in 2004. Procedures to deport Yaderlin Jimenez have begun, although an immigration judge has halted the proceedings while the search for her husband continues. The two live in Lawrence, Mass.
"Under no condition should our country ever deport the spouse of a soldier who is currently serving in uniform abroad," Kerry said, in a statement provided to FOXNews.com.
In the letter to Homeland Security Department Secretary Michael Chertoff, Kerry wrote: "I do not believe that Yaderlin should have her stress and grief compounded by additional worries about her own immigration status. I request that no further action be taken (in) Yaderlin's case while her husband is missing in action. As Yaderlin waits to hear what has happened to her husband I ask that she be allowed to stay in our country."
"I believe this is a very real test of our government's compassion for a military family which has already made enormous sacrifices for the United States," the letter continued.
Vincent Morris, a spokesman for Kerry, said the senator is also looking into whether this is a more widespread problem in the Army.
A spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security was not immediately available for comment.
But it remains to be seen if Kerry's efforts will be enough to prevent the deportation of Yaderlin Jimenez, whose maiden name is Hiraldo.
Jimenez family attorney Matthew Kolken, reached briefly at his Buffalo, N.Y., office, said the letter won't change his client's legal status, but "that letter is very good in that they (authorities) have it in their power to make a motion in her case" to reopen the proceedings.
Another immigration attorney said only an act of Congress would ensure the wife's legal status in the United States.
"Unless Congress passes a private bill on her behalf, she is subject to deportation," said Charles Kuck, an immigration lawyer and president-elect of the Washington, D.C.-based American Immigration Lawyers Association. The group has more than 10,000 members.
Morris said Kerry's office is "taking it one step at a time," and could consider other options including a private bill, although this letter seemed to be the fastest method available.
"The senator wanted to put up a bright red flag and say, 'hold on,' " Morris said.
Kuck, speaking with FOXNews.com from his Atlanta office, said he suspects this is a widespread problem among military families. He said he believes that throughout the country, there are between 1 million and 3 million families where one spouse is not a legal resident.
"I get a call like this at least two to three times today: 'What can I do to help my spouse, but he came in illegally?' " Kuck said.
Boston television station WBZ-TV reported that Alex Jimenez, 25, had requested through U.S. immigration services a hardship waiver to gain legal status for his wife.
"I can't imagine a bigger injustice than that, to be deporting someone's wife who is fighting and possibly dying for our country," Kolken told the station.
Kuck said that immigration laws right now pose a Catch-22 for families like the Jimenezes. The process that they likely went through requires the spouse who needs the waiver to first leave the country, and then go to the U.S. consulate in his or her home country. In this case, the Dominican Republic.
The waivers are rare. Kuck said only a few thousand a year are issued, and they favor Mexicans because of the volume of applications. But because Yaderlin Jimenez had been in the country illegally for longer than one year, she would be forced to stay away from the United States for 10 years once she left the United States, Kuck said.
Kuck said he does not fault Immigration and Customs Services for enforcing the law, but this particular problem penalizes the legal U.S. citizen spouses of the illegal residents. He said the law should be changed so the waiver hearings can be held inside the United States.
"When you're deporting the spouses of U.S. soldiers, I think the law's harsh enough," Kuck said. "Essentially we're punishing U.S. Citizens. That's why it's so essential to have comprehensive immigration reform."
Alex Jimenez and Pvt. Brian Fouty, 19, of Waterford, Mich., remain missing more than a month after the attack on their 10th Mountain Division unit. Their identification cards were found in an Al Qaeda safe house near Baghdad this weekend. A video posted earlier this month by a group affiliated with the terrorist group claimed the men had been killed, but did not provide specific proof of the claim.
The body of one soldier who was captured with Jimenez and Fouty has been found, and four other U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter were killed in the attack.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Folks -
The real reason she should not be allowed to stay is because she is highly visible, and we should be able to control the outcome. In other words, we know who and where she is, we know she is an identified, if unconvicted, multiple felon, and we can- AT LEAST - get this one OUT OF OUR COUNTRY...and back to HER country. She is a criminal mexican that doesn't belong here.
Her relationship to a GI - who may or may not be here legally, and is an accessory to her criminal acts against our Country - is immaterial.
You didn't address the issue of my Son Doug II - a former decorated American Soldier, now an agent of the Defense Intelligence Agency - deserving a refund for the costs incurred by him to bring his wife, a legal immigrant, to this country legally. And also my Daughter who married a LEGAL immigrant and she is of LEGAL Mexican extraction, and also my Son Steve who is also a married to a LEGAL immigrant. These processes have cost my Family THOUSANDS of dollars to do it legally. How do y'all suggest we recover those funds ??
Not to mention the fact that, allowing her to stay certainly cheapens the efforts of those millions of (now) American Citizens who have done it the correct and LEGAL way.
Y'all don't have a legal or logical leg to stand on.
Doug
* edited to correct spelling/puntuation only
Doug,
With all due respect, you have made some unknown and unproven assumptions that, in my opinion, deserve a hearing and fact finding hearing before action is taken of a man's wife while he's a POW and unable to answer those questions. I am surprised that several are willing deport now without waiting to find the truth or hear the soldier. Looks more like a KKK trial and conviction to me.
What harm comes from waiting until Specialist Jimenez can speak? Is deporting her before he can be rescued really that big of a deal breaker?0 -
Has anyone determined that he is NOT a deserter ??
To me, it is a question of dishonoring those millions who have done it right.
Heff - They are CRIMINALS.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Has anyone determined that he is NOT a deserter ??
To me, it is a question of dishonoring those millions who have done it right.
Heff - They are CRIMINALS.
Doug
I believe Al Queda announced they captured him and posted his ID on Al Jazeera to prove it. Now you claim he's a deserter? Man, we are sure stepping out there on our assumptions aren't we?
Why are you so opposed to hearing the facts before you slander and condemn?
She is a criminal. We don't know about him. Why can't we keep her here until we do know?0 -
Hate to say I agree with Kerry, but I do on this. We need to face the fact that as there are bad laws that should not be enforced, there are also execptions to good laws, and I believe this should be an execption. 0 -
More smoke!
This will be used as a sympathy ploy to further the agenda of the traitorous "amnesty" politicos and their "one world" plan! Next we can expect to see babes being torn from their weeping mothers teats by ICE agents being shown on national television by reporters who "just happened to be on the scene"!
Anybody know that a rally was held in Washington DC over the weekend by American citizens demanding that the immigration laws already in place be enforced? I think it was reported by one news station and that one belittled it!
BTW those folks don't get federal funding to ship their supporters to distant areas as some favored groups like La Raza do! They have to finance their own way!
Too many distractions. We're being set up folks!
The only thing good I might say about Kerry (and thats stretchin it) is that he actually went into harms way before finding out that he was a coward and cutting and running! (nice to have "connections" ain't it?)
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quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
Not to sound harsh against our troops, but if this lady is an "ILLEGAL" she needs to be deported! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
If you start giving exceptions to one then others will start to expect it and it will be to the point of 20 million exceptions!
Very seldom do i agree with git-r-done but on this one I do, SHE is NO different than any other illegal period, all I hear about from most on this forum is send um back, well lets send um back. And I do want to sound harsh.0 -
The prisons are full of legals that need to be deported !!! 0 -
One question Heff!
Did she not know she entered this country ILLEGALY?
She must have as she entered this country in 2001 and was married in 2004 (which means she was probly at least 18 in 2004)!
She willfully broke a law for nothing more than personal gain! That makes her a CRIMINAL! Just because her husband is a POW does not put her above the law!
She had 6 years (3 before she was married and 3 after she was married) to get paper work done for her to legaly be in this country and she willfully refused to do that!
The list can go on about her negligence and willfull breaking of the laws that have been clearly laid out in this country!
And to be honest on my part, she would recieve a very stiff criminal punishment before being deported! So just being deported is going light on her!
We need to uphold the laws that we have on the books and it is a damn shame that our elected officails do not have the balls to do so expecially since they were the ones who voted such laws into effect!
EDIT: I should also add that if Spec. Jiminez truely did not know that his wife was an illegal, that she was not much of a wife to hide BS like that from him and he should divorce her lying A$$ anyway!
So in either case she would need to be deported anyway!0 -
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
I'm not sure I'm with you on this one, Danny. Soldiers sign up to defend the Constitution, not break it. And as far as extenuating circumstances go, there are always extenuating circumstances. "I'm pregnant." "My wife's pregnant." "My kid's a citizen." It goes on and on.
But there comes a point when compassion for the few must give way for the interests of the many.
It is heartbreaking that her husband is missing and likely dead. But his sacrifice should not result in her gain at our cost as a nation and society.
Maybe my compassion is at low ebb right now, but I must respectfully disagree with ya on this one even though I see and understand where you're coming from.
Sure are a lot of folks telling us what he did and didn't know. What I said was, she should get a pass until he is safely home again and not assume we know anything. Everyone trying to twist it into something I never said, but hey, that's not unusual.
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth and apologize if I came off as doing so.
However, knowing what I do regarding this case, the relevant facts are:
- Spec. Jimenez is MIA. Whether he is a POW or KIA is not known, but neither is a walk in the park.
- His wife is here illegally. Whether he knows that or not is immaterial.
Unfortunately, the former has nothing to do with the latter. As such, she should be treated without malice or compassion by the laws of the land. Why should his hardship be cause for her leniency? If she were a citizen and had embezzeled a hundred and fifty thousand from her employer, would you advocate keeping her out of jail for Spec. Jimenez's sake or deferring trial and/or judgement until he came back?
The law is not meant for convenience and should not be followed on whim. Like I said, compassion says let her stay for the moment, but the practical and farsighted part of me says she's already been here too long.
Illegal immigrants are like gun bans - you allow one and more will follow. It's inevitable. And even a momentary victory such as a stay of hearing allows sympathy to become a legitimate excuse to flaunt the law.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
I'm not sure I'm with you on this one, Danny. Soldiers sign up to defend the Constitution, not break it. And as far as extenuating circumstances go, there are always extenuating circumstances. "I'm pregnant." "My wife's pregnant." "My kid's a citizen." It goes on and on.
But there comes a point when compassion for the few must give way for the interests of the many.
It is heartbreaking that her husband is missing and likely dead. But his sacrifice should not result in her gain at our cost as a nation and society.
Maybe my compassion is at low ebb right now, but I must respectfully disagree with ya on this one even though I see and understand where you're coming from.
Sure are a lot of folks telling us what he did and didn't know. What I said was, she should get a pass until he is safely home again and not assume we know anything. Everyone trying to twist it into something I never said, but hey, that's not unusual.
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth and apologize if I came off as doing so.
However, knowing what I do regarding this case, the relevant facts are:
- Spec. Jimenez is MIA. Whether he is a POW or KIA is not known, but neither is a walk in the park.
- His wife is here illegally. Whether he knows that or not is immaterial.
Unfortunately, the former has nothing to do with the latter. As such, she should be treated without malice or compassion by the laws of the land. Why should his hardship be cause for her leniency? If she were a citizen and had embezzeled a hundred and fifty thousand from her employer, would you advocate keeping her out of jail for Spec. Jimenez's sake or deferring trial and/or judgement until he came back?
The law is not meant for convenience and should not be followed on whim. Like I said, compassion says let her stay for the moment, but the practical and farsighted part of me says she's already been here too long.
Illegal immigrants are like gun bans - you allow one and more will follow. It's inevitable. And even a momentary victory such as a stay of hearing allows sympathy to become a legitimate excuse to flaunt the law.
Those are the types of questions I have been asking that those in favor of letting her stay refuse to answer!
They keep asking questions of people like me and EMM and we answer them!
How about some answers to our questions?0 -
Of all the freaking crap....And that is what this is John Kerry is stirring up crap....This freaking case was closed a year ago in 2006...look it up!!! there are no plans never have been no plans to reopen it as it was determined that Jimenez has been trying to do the right thing from day one....They went to the INS themselves from the get go...
Note case was closed even before he was MIA!!!0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Why should his hardship be cause for her leniency? If she were a citizen and had embezzeled a hundred and fifty thousand from her employer, would you advocate keeping her out of jail for Spec. Jimenez's sake or deferring trial and/or judgement until he came back?
Because we don't know the truth, and some folks aren't willing to wait a few months to find out what the facts are. I hope none of you are ever judged by the standards you are presenting here. None of us could pass that muster.
Have any of you had the theft device go off walking out of Walmart after you paid for the items in the bag? By your standards, a cop should pick you up, carry you straight to jail and keep you there. No checking the receipt or the bag to see if you were guilty or not, or if the system malfunctioned.
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quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by lt496
Illegal is illegal. Life is tough.
We better harden up, or we are through as an independent nation.
I am quite sure that many will adopt a "we must compromise" stance on this. Compromise on principal and on the nations future is unacceptable.
We have a history of compromise and exceptions, and anyone who doesn't believe they will continue on some level is foolish. If there was ever a reason to hold our water until we can find out who knew what, and when they knew it, this is it.
I am merely commenting on the topic as posted. If the info is true and she is illegal, she should be deported, period. I have no need, or desire to research, or otherwise dig for further information.
I comment on it as an abstract and take it at face value. If the information presented were different, I may have a different comment.
We do indeed have a history of compromise and exceptions and I agree that we will continue to make exceptions and continue to compromise. I find such compromise and exceptions, as they relate to illegal immigration, to be unacceptable.
We as a nation, have "compromised" and "excepted" ourselves into something other than what we were intended to be, particularly as it relates to the US Constitution. I don't like it one bit.
For many years now, we have been "compromising" and making "exceptions" related to mass immigration, legal and illegal. It may be "the nature of the beast", in your opinion, or in the opinion of the majority, but that does not mean that I have to agree and/or go along with it.
Oh, and by the way, if your comment about "someone" who doesn't believe compromise will continue is foolish, was directed at this old man....bite me.[;)]
IMO, anyone who agrees, or accepts compromise on illegal immigration issues, is not only foolish, but a danger to American Society in the long term.0 -
I read it as Spec. jimenez was trying to make things right, and was working on gaining legal status for his bride.
How many vets here would make the call to ICE to report a fellow soldiers spouse? How would you feel if it was someone in your unit/squad?
How many here would be incarcrated now if the letter of the law was so blindly enforced?
How many U.S.A. born citizens of age would be willing to serve and possibly sacrifice in order to obtain a green card for their spouse?
Not many I suspect, I think the Specialist and his wife might be the kind of immigrants we should accept, compared to the ones who feel they are entitled to a green card just because they could swim.
Like Danny said, it is a grey area.0 -
Heff is 100% right. Shades of grey.
Now, in order to give GITRDONE some crap, the neo con way:
You are giving aid and comfort to our enemies! You are undermining the morale of our troops abroad, during a time of war! You are dishonoring the sacrifice that these soldiers are making by deporting their loved ones![;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
Heff is 100% right. Shades of grey.
Now, in order to give GITRDONE some crap, the neo con way:
You are giving aid and comfort to our enemies! You are undermining the morale of our troops abroad, during a time of war! You are dishonoring the sacrifice that these soldiers are making by deporting their loved ones![;)]
That is where you are totally wrong!
I am fully greatfull for the job that this guy is doing for our country!
But that job is in no way related to the fact that she is an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT! The two things are totally seperate in nature!
Just as EMM asked (and I quote):
If she were a citizen and had embezzeled a hundred and fifty thousand from her employer, would you advocate keeping her out of jail for Spec. Jimenez's sake or deferring trial and/or judgement until he came back?
It fall under the same exact thing because she has commited a crime!
And crimminals should be punished!0 -
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
I read it as Spec. jimenez was trying to make things right, and was working on gaining legal status for his bride.
How many vets here would make the call to ICE to report a fellow soldiers spouse? How would you feel if it was someone in your unit/squad?
How many here would be incarcrated now if the letter of the law was so blindly enforced?
How many U.S.A. born citizens of age would be willing to serve and possibly sacrifice in order to obtain a green card for their spouse?
Not many I suspect, I think the Specialist and his wife might be the kind of immigrants we should accept, compared to the ones who feel they are entitled to a green card just because they could swim.
Like Danny said, it is a grey area.
I believe that the only "letter of the law" being advocated by myself and some others here, is related to illegal aliens.
In that regard, I don't think that any of us (maybe) would be incarcerated over this issue.
This just reinforces my point on "compromise" and "exceptions". Illegals are not deserving of the benefits of American largess, jurisprudence, case by case examination, or excuse making for their actions and for their very presence in this nation.
This is a "big picture" issue. If you feel illegal immigration is good for America, then exceptions and compromise are the order of the day.
If you feel that illegal immigration and mass legal immigration are a danger to the future of America, for a host of reasons that can be outlined if requested, then exceptions and compromise are unacceptable in immigration issues.
My opinion. Hard calls/hard decisions, you bet.
Illegal immigration is a scourge and pox on society. It is destroying American Culture and puts the very future of America in danger. This is, of course, my view of it. I am sure many think otherwise as indicated by the cluster f*ck mess America is currently in over illegal aliens invading America.
Getting bogged down in the personal tragedies and myriad of sob stories, legitimate or not, contributes to the aforementioned cluster f*ck.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
I read it as Spec. jimenez was trying to make things right, and was working on gaining legal status for his bride.
How many vets here would make the call to ICE to report a fellow soldiers spouse? How would you feel if it was someone in your unit/squad?
How many here would be incarcrated now if the letter of the law was so blindly enforced?
How many U.S.A. born citizens of age would be willing to serve and possibly sacrifice in order to obtain a green card for their spouse?
Not many I suspect, I think the Specialist and his wife might be the kind of immigrants we should accept, compared to the ones who feel they are entitled to a green card just because they could swim.
Like Danny said, it is a grey area.
And again I say it is not a gray area!
How can you even call it a grey area when she deliberatly and willfully broke the law!
Can you tell me how that is a grey area? I truely do not understand how anyone can say that if a person purposly and willfully broke the law that it can be called a grey area!
That would be like if I went and killed someone in cold blood and wanted amnesty for the crime because I had a family member who was a POW!
SAME THING!0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
How can you even call it a grey area when she deliberatly and willfully broke the law!
That's where the grey area is and you're missing it. It's not just about her. It's also about an American citizens legally married wife who he loves and can't defend or help because he's a POW. I doubt you would want your family judged by your standards.
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
That would be like if I went and killed someone in cold blood and wanted amnesty for the crime because I had a family member who was a POW!
Well, let's just put speeding, drunk in public, murder and everything else in the same box. Not all crimes are equal in severity. Next time you make a rolling stop at a stop sign, we'll send you away for life. Get real.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
How can you even call it a grey area when she deliberatly and willfully broke the law!
That's where the grey area is and you're missing it. It's not just about her. It's also about an American citizens legally married wife who he loves and can't defend or help because he's a POW. I doubt you would want your family judged by your standards.
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
That would be like if I went and killed someone in cold blood and wanted amnesty for the crime because I had a family member who was a POW!
Well, let's just put speeding, drunk in public, murder and everything else in the same box. Not all crimes are equal in severity. Next time you make a rolling stop at a stop sign, we'll send you away for life. Get real.
And Heff, you obviously miss my statement in the other post!
So here it is again word for word!
Again! She knowingly and willfully broke the law when she ILLEGALLY came into this country!
He may or may not have known that she did this!
If he did know then he too is guilty of a crime for harboring her which he could be charged in a civillian court and a military court!
If he truely did not know then he:
1: Is a stupid fool for not knowing enuff about the girl before he married her!
2: Should be totally pissed off and should divorce her sorry A$$ for willfully withholding the information about herself and makeing him a accessory to a FELONY!
Either way she gets exactly what is comming to her, and that is DEPORTED!
And rolling a stop sign is not a FELONY! ILLEGALLY entering this country is!0 -
I doubt you know everything about your wife, kids or even other family. You would fight like hell if you or your family were judge by the standards you've set down. 0 -
I have done things that are wrong, and have been judged harshly.
Since I am an American Citizen, shouldn't those harsh judgments be reversed ??
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All right then I will accept your " she has been here 3 year theory"
Well 3 years ago the immigrant status is different than it is now.
Our fine Governmemt is still working on a solution in the meantime I make a ruling of the pic below of one of my albums...[:D][:D]
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quote:Originally posted by dheffley
I doubt you know everything about your wife, kids or even other family. You would fight like hell if you or your family were judge by the standards you've set down.
Well I am currently divorced. And it is solley because of what I found out about my ex that I am divorced!
And you better believe I would never be as much of a dumb ass to not find out enuff about a girl before marrying her to not know if she was legally in this country or not!
And if I was married to a girl and she lied to me about such a thing I WOULD most definatly turn her in and throw her to the curb just for lying about such a thing!
Love is based on trust and such a lie would be a deal breaker on that trust and all love would be gone forever!
As for my kids, you better believe that I know every little thing about them! As a single parent that is my job to make sure that I know!
Now when they become adults, if they willfully break the law and get caught I would fully expect them to get exactly what is comming to them! That is why I am teaching them right from wrong so they will not get themselves in that possition!0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
Well I am currently divorced. And it is solley because of what I found out about my ex that I am divorced!
And you better believe I would never be as much of a dumb ass to not find out enuff about a girl before marrying her to not know if she was legally in this country or not!
And if I was married to a girl and she lied to me about such a thing I WOULD most definatly turn her in and throw her to the curb just for lying about such a thing!
Love is based on trust and such a lie would be a deal breaker on that trust and all love would be gone forever!
As for my kids, you better believe that I know every little thing about them! As a single parent that is my job to make sure that I know!
Now when they become adults, if they willfully break the law and get caught I would fully expect them to get exactly what is comming to them! That is why I am teaching them right from wrong so they will not get themselves in that possition!
Take a breath and realize that if you ever marry again, you do need to know the major issues about your new wife, but you also have to let her have the little secrets that would embarass her. (being here illegally, major. took her top off on spring break in college, no big deal)
Kids never tell all, and having raised more than my share I can promise you, you don't know it all, and you don't want to.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
How can you even call it a grey area when she deliberatly and willfully broke the law!
That's where the grey area is and you're missing it. It's not just about her. It's also about an American citizens legally married wife who he loves and can't defend or help because he's a POW. I doubt you would want your family judged by your standards.
Please, read the law and think a bit of this case, if he was an American citizen or legal alien when they married and he knew that she came and was here illegally, disregarding the fact that he'd be breaking the Law by harboring an illegal immigrant, but they could have and would have had their stuff together by now.
And the only standards I want my family judged by are the standards of American Law, at least in theory, and as a matter of fact I have been with all of my immigration stuff, and let me tell you -- doing everything by the book is very easy and fast (compared to other places I've been to or where I lived) -- it's a lot easier, cheaper and faster than trying to do something around it and I wouldn't even think a second about doing it any other way, but hey, that's me, I didn't come here to break laws.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
Well I am currently divorced. And it is solley because of what I found out about my ex that I am divorced!
And you better believe I would never be as much of a dumb ass to not find out enuff about a girl before marrying her to not know if she was legally in this country or not!
And if I was married to a girl and she lied to me about such a thing I WOULD most definatly turn her in and throw her to the curb just for lying about such a thing!
Love is based on trust and such a lie would be a deal breaker on that trust and all love would be gone forever!
As for my kids, you better believe that I know every little thing about them! As a single parent that is my job to make sure that I know!
Now when they become adults, if they willfully break the law and get caught I would fully expect them to get exactly what is comming to them! That is why I am teaching them right from wrong so they will not get themselves in that possition!
Take a breath and realize that if you ever marry again, you do need to know the major issues about your new wife, but you also have to let her have the little secrets that would embarass her. (being here illegally, major. took her top off on spring break in college, no big deal)
Kids never tell all, and having raised more than my share I can promise you, you don't know it all, and you don't want to.
I'll agree on the little secrets! God knows that I have a few myself!
But we are talking about a major thing here when you talk about immigration status! And one that should not be taken with a grain of salt!
And being that she illegally came here before they were married it makes it her problem and not his!
And he has alot of explaining to do as well if he does make it home because of what I stated above!
And again, my feeling on this have nothing to do with his military service! And I do not feel that a criminal act should be given special consideration because of ones military background or a family members background!0 -
I would just bet if she got hurt and went to the hospital/ under his benefits plan she would be treated. I would hate to say what would happen if she were turned away. I wonder if they have government housing ( on base ).? 0 -
HEFF- Just because we disagree with you on this issue doesn't make us or you bad people.
Now, if she was charged with a another crime (indecency with a child) would you let her off because her husband was a soldier? I mean a crime is a crime and compassion is compassion, right? Yes, one crime is more severe than the other and the punishment is more severe.
But punishment is due none the less.
Should my wife not be deported because I serve my country in the sometimes dangerous role of public defender? Should a cop's wife get amnesty because he serves the public in a dangerous job?
I don't think him being a soldier and her being a criminal have anything to do with each other...
God bless him for his service.0 -
I, too, have mixed emotions on this one: on the one hand, illegal is illegal and she needs to go, along with millions of others. There are proper ways to gain legal status, and she didn't go through them. At the same time, she apparently is married to an active service man whose status is currently unknown. I am not opposed to giving her some consideration - yes she needs to go, but why are we singling her out while MILLIONS of others are not only allowed to stay, but in some cases even given prefferential treatment?
Why is this particular illegal alien worthy of Senator Kerry's attention? We are being played. It is an obvious ploy to gain sympathy for a political position in an attempt to make that whole vote farm favor his party instead of the other party.
He should be ashamed.0
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