So Where's the Zyklone B?
MSN is carrying the story below. The enemy has crossed a new threshold with chemical weapons. Sad that our government lets the enemy initiate the kind of warfare that is needed to win. The Russians used gas in Afganistan to good effect and 25 years later, who gives a damn? If we waged agressive war now, who would care in 25 years?
FALLUJAH, Iraq - Insurgents with two chlorine truck bombs attacked a local government building in Fallujah in western Iraq on Wednesday, the latest in a string of attacks using the poisonous gas, the U.S. military said.
Fifteen Iraqi and U.S. soldiers were wounded in the blasts and many more suffered chlorine poisoning, the statement said.
"Numerous Iraqi soldiers and policemen are being treated for symptoms such as labored breathing, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting that are synonymous with chlorine inhalation," a U.S. statement said.
It said no Iraqi or U.S. forces were killed in what it called a "complex attack" using mortars and small arms as well as the truck bombs.
Chlorine gas was widely used in World War I but its use in insurgent attacks in Iraq has particular resonance there. Saddam Hussein attacked Kurdish areas with chemical weapons in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war.
Earlier Iraqi police said two car bombs exploded near an Iraqi checkpoint outside a U.S. military base in Fallujah, killing eight Iraqi soldiers.
Revenge killings
Meantime, police and hospital officials said off-duty Shiite policemen enraged by massive bombings in the northern town of Tal Afar went on a revenge spree against Sunni residents there on Wednesday, killing at least 45 men.
The policemen began roaming the town's Sunni neighborhoods on foot early in the morning, shooting at Sunni residents and homes.
A senior hospital official in Tal Afar said at least 45 men ages 15 to 60 were killed and four others were wounded.
Other tolls were higher. "Between 50 and 55 people were killed. I've never seen such a thing in my life," said a doctor, who refused to be named because he said he feared for his life.
Another source at the hospital put the death toll at 45, while police said 50 were killed. Major-General Khorshid Saleem, the head of the Third Army Division in Tal Afar, said the death toll was 70, with 30 wounded and 40 kidnapped.
"Militias conducted these acts, and if it had not been for the army interference the people killed in the carnage would be in the thousands," he told Reuters.
Tal Afar, located 260 miles northwest of Baghdad, is in the province of Ninevah, of which Mosul is the capital.
Spike in violence
The attacks follow an upsurge in violence in Baghdad and outside the capital in recent days. U.S. and Iraqi security forces have deployed thousands more soldiers in Baghdad to try to stem a sectarian war threatening to tear the country apart.
In Tuesday's truck bombings in Tal Afar, one suicide bomber lured victims to buy wheat loaded on his truck in a Shiite neighborhood. A second truck bomb exploded in a used car lot. The attacks killed 63 people and wounded more than 150.
In 2006, President Bush held up Tal Afar as an example of progress being made in Iraq after U.S.-led forces freed it from al-Qaida in an offensive the previous year.
FALLUJAH, Iraq - Insurgents with two chlorine truck bombs attacked a local government building in Fallujah in western Iraq on Wednesday, the latest in a string of attacks using the poisonous gas, the U.S. military said.
Fifteen Iraqi and U.S. soldiers were wounded in the blasts and many more suffered chlorine poisoning, the statement said.
"Numerous Iraqi soldiers and policemen are being treated for symptoms such as labored breathing, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting that are synonymous with chlorine inhalation," a U.S. statement said.
It said no Iraqi or U.S. forces were killed in what it called a "complex attack" using mortars and small arms as well as the truck bombs.
Chlorine gas was widely used in World War I but its use in insurgent attacks in Iraq has particular resonance there. Saddam Hussein attacked Kurdish areas with chemical weapons in the 1980s during the Iran-Iraq war.
Earlier Iraqi police said two car bombs exploded near an Iraqi checkpoint outside a U.S. military base in Fallujah, killing eight Iraqi soldiers.
Revenge killings
Meantime, police and hospital officials said off-duty Shiite policemen enraged by massive bombings in the northern town of Tal Afar went on a revenge spree against Sunni residents there on Wednesday, killing at least 45 men.
The policemen began roaming the town's Sunni neighborhoods on foot early in the morning, shooting at Sunni residents and homes.
A senior hospital official in Tal Afar said at least 45 men ages 15 to 60 were killed and four others were wounded.
Other tolls were higher. "Between 50 and 55 people were killed. I've never seen such a thing in my life," said a doctor, who refused to be named because he said he feared for his life.
Another source at the hospital put the death toll at 45, while police said 50 were killed. Major-General Khorshid Saleem, the head of the Third Army Division in Tal Afar, said the death toll was 70, with 30 wounded and 40 kidnapped.
"Militias conducted these acts, and if it had not been for the army interference the people killed in the carnage would be in the thousands," he told Reuters.
Tal Afar, located 260 miles northwest of Baghdad, is in the province of Ninevah, of which Mosul is the capital.
Spike in violence
The attacks follow an upsurge in violence in Baghdad and outside the capital in recent days. U.S. and Iraqi security forces have deployed thousands more soldiers in Baghdad to try to stem a sectarian war threatening to tear the country apart.
In Tuesday's truck bombings in Tal Afar, one suicide bomber lured victims to buy wheat loaded on his truck in a Shiite neighborhood. A second truck bomb exploded in a used car lot. The attacks killed 63 people and wounded more than 150.
In 2006, President Bush held up Tal Afar as an example of progress being made in Iraq after U.S.-led forces freed it from al-Qaida in an offensive the previous year.
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How did they get the chlorine? I thought Saddam didn't have any WMDs. 0 -
Shiite policemen murder 45 people? Sixty three others killed by a car bomb? Big upsurge in violence in the past few days?
Sounds like the surge isn't working too well.0 -
In the areas where the troops are, "Surged," violence is down. It's just like stateside, the, "Police," can't be everywhere all the time. Think about it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
How did they get the chlorine? I thought Saddam didn't have any WMDs.
it is an industrial chemical,
any chemical factory or university can get their hands on the stuff pretty easily, in sized varying from a small gas cylinder to a rail tanker car0 -
They probably stole the chlorine from the water treatment plants. Lord knows KBR isn't putting any of it into the water, so it's gotta end up somewhere...[:(!] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
How did they get the chlorine? I thought Saddam didn't have any WMDs.
They had it, they just didn't have it when Bush said they did.0 -
So Where's the Zyklone B?
I am sure that the military was ordered look everywhere for some real poison gas but all they could find was chlorine. Luckliy the Gun Broker gang considers industrial gases to be a weapons of mass destruction so Bush in vindicated. labored breathing, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting ;victim of a WMD or an allergic reaction to a bee sting?0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
labored breathing, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting ;victim of a WMD or an allergic reaction to a bee sting?
My cooking can sometimes elicit those responses.[;)]0 -
Yeah, whenever I come within 20 feet of my ex wife I get the same symptoms. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Shiite policemen murder 45 people? Sixty three others killed by a car bomb? Big upsurge in violence in the past few days?
Sounds like the surge isn't working too well.
the stock market never goes up (or down) every day during an up (or down) week, month or year.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
So Where's the Zyklone B?
I am sure that the military was ordered look everywhere for some real poison gas but all they could find was chlorine. Luckliy the Gun Broker gang considers industrial gases to be a weapons of mass destruction so Bush in vindicated. labored breathing, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting ;victim of a WMD or an allergic reaction to a bee sting?
I'm sure it seemed like a real enough WMD to its victims, who stretch from Flanders Fields all the way to the Iranian soldiers it was used on to the Iraqi civilians it murdered.0 -
The Iraqis now know what the Iranians felt like back during the Iran-Iraq War. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
The Iraqis now know what the Iranians felt like back during the Iran-Iraq War.
they knew before now, when Saddam had thousands upon thousands of Shiites and Kurds gassed with it and various other lovely and sundry concoctions.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by kristov
So Where's the Zyklone B?
I am sure that the military was ordered look everywhere for some real poison gas but all they could find was chlorine. Luckliy the Gun Broker gang considers industrial gases to be a weapons of mass destruction so Bush in vindicated. labored breathing, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting ;victim of a WMD or an allergic reaction to a bee sting?
I'm sure it seemed like a real enough WMD to its victims, who stretch from Flanders Fields all the way to the Iranian soldiers it was used on to the Iraqi civilians it murdered.
WMD is just a stupid buzzword.
Just look at the Tokyo sarin bombing, a little over a dozen murdered.
3 nuts with AKs could kill more people during the same timeframe, mass destruction indeed...0 -
Yeah, old Saddam had several Soviet MIG 29s, too. If a MIG 29 is not a weapon of mass destruction, nothing is. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by kristov
So Where's the Zyklone B?
I am sure that the military was ordered look everywhere for some real poison gas but all they could find was chlorine. Luckliy the Gun Broker gang considers industrial gases to be a weapons of mass destruction so Bush in vindicated. labored breathing, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting ;victim of a WMD or an allergic reaction to a bee sting?
I'm sure it seemed like a real enough WMD to its victims, who stretch from Flanders Fields all the way to the Iranian soldiers it was used on to the Iraqi civilians it murdered.
WMD is just a stupid buzzword.
Just look at the Tokyo sarin bombing, a little over a dozen murdered.
3 nuts with AKs could kill more people during the same timeframe, mass destruction indeed...
You working for Sarah Brady[?]0 -
quote:Originally posted by fastcarsgofast
quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by kristov
So Where's the Zyklone B?
I am sure that the military was ordered look everywhere for some real poison gas but all they could find was chlorine. Luckliy the Gun Broker gang considers industrial gases to be a weapons of mass destruction so Bush in vindicated. labored breathing, nausea, skin irritation and vomiting ;victim of a WMD or an allergic reaction to a bee sting?
I'm sure it seemed like a real enough WMD to its victims, who stretch from Flanders Fields all the way to the Iranian soldiers it was used on to the Iraqi civilians it murdered.
WMD is just a stupid buzzword.
Just look at the Tokyo sarin bombing, a little over a dozen murdered.
3 nuts with AKs could kill more people during the same timeframe, mass destruction indeed...
You working for Sarah Brady[?]
so one has to be an anti-gun commie to recognize that AKs (specificaly the full auto military version) are quite the deadly weapon?
Just because I think it (as well as other military rifles) is deadly and effective does not mean I want it banned from use by law-abiding civilians.0 -
Just a little ribbing.
Glad to see you're ready to set the record straight though. I like that in a person.0
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