who is fond of old Japanese war rifles?
I recently stumbled across sombodys profile and remember them saying they liked Japanese rifles. well I have one I actually found in the trash a very long time ago. The action was all missing and was in prety bad shape. I never knew what it was because all the wrighting is either chinese or Japanese. Its real long with a flipup sight and has that thing on the front of the barrel for a bayonette. It looks like it might be from the imperial army.
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I have a few.
Here's a photo of a Type 38 & Type 99.
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl22-e.htm
look like either of them?
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I've got an Arisaka 99 passed down to me from my grandfather. Gun was a bring back from somebody in my family but nobody seems to know who. Damn 7.7 rounds are expensive 0 -
quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
I have a few.
Here's a photo of a Type 38 & Type 99.
http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl22-e.htm
look like either of them?
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yea a little bit I'll have to bring it in and compare it to the photos. If it is, can I still get parts to reassemble it?0 -
Yes - parts are still easy to find - email me and I'll give you some leads. Remember, when using another rifle's bolt in your 'boltless' rifle, always have a smith check out the headspacing for you before you actually shoot it.
Yes, the Jap 7.7 ammo is very expensive - when you can find it - so we reload ours.0 -
I recently received a type 38 jap rifle my dad brought back from WW2
he first gave it to my idiot brother who took it apart and never put it back together,so I am restoring it and gonna give it back to dad,yes you can still find parts but the bolts and innards for the bolt is a task in itself,If I get a parts source that isnt sold out ill e mail you a link.0 -
The Type 99 bolts are simple to disassemble - just push the round rear cap forward and turn. The firing pin and spring just fall out. The rifles are simple and strong. We've got a bring back complete with original dust cover, anti-aircraft sight and monopod. It's accurate enough to easily hit the chest parameters of a normal sized man consistently at 200+ yards. The 7.7 is in the same 'family' as the .30-06 and Brit .303. Primitive but effective, when used by a proficient marksman.
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My uncle grew up shooting this old 7.7 at javelina. Allegedly he could hit them at 200 yards easily with those sights. I never saw him do it but I would not doubt it. The man was hands down one of the best shots I have ever seen. He liked shooting deer in the head with a .22 .......said all those other rifles were too noisy and he was too old to have to put ear plugs in every time he wanted to pull the trigger. My dad still tells a story of sitting at the coffee table at his in laws house and right about day break hearing a shot that sounded really far off.....my uncle had woken up and went outside on his porch...which was next door....and saw a 10 point between the houses. Waited until it cleared my grandparents house and shot it in the ear with an old .22 National Guard training rifle a little over 150 yards. 0 -
I started fooling with them in the early eighties. They were cheap and plentiful, so it was only a matter of time before they caught fire as the German WWII weapons were drying up quickly.
I found that the variations provided a fertile collecting area previously untapped.
What saved a lot of the rifles from being "Bubba'ed" was the non-availability of ammo, the unattractive wood, unfamiliar markings, and rough machining. Plus the incorrect preception that the weapons were basically unserviceable. I was very picky then and could be. Only "Mummed" weapons were gathered (dificult now) and some weapons now (Type 44, Type 2 Paratrooper) are difficult to find and very pricy. It's still not to late to assemble an impressive collections fairly easy.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
I started fooling with them in the early eighties. They were cheap and plentiful, so it was only a matter of time before they caught fire as the German WWII weapons were drying up quickly.
I found that the variations provided a fertile collecting area previously untapped.
What saved a lot of the rifles from being "Bubba'ed" was the non-availability of ammo, the unattractive wood, unfamiliar markings, and rough machining. Plus the incorrect preception that the weapons were basically unserviceable. I was very picky then and could be. Only "Mummed" weapons were gathered (dificult now) and some weapons now (Type 44, Type 2 Paratrooper) are difficult to find and very pricy. It's still not to late to assemble an impressive collections fairly easy.
I remember my dad selling them for $7 each or $10 with a full box of ammo. [:(]0 -
I like them. I have a 99, a 38, and a Type I- basically a Carcano with a Jap mag housing made for the Japanese by Italy.
The Arisaka is probably the strongest bolt action ever made anywhere, anywhen. Fit and finish ranges from excellent to so so. I handload so ammo availability is a non issue.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ox190
I've got an Arisaka 99 passed down to me from my grandfather. Gun was a bring back from somebody in my family but nobody seems to know who. Damn 7.7 rounds are expensive
I bought one back around 1960 for about $5. What little ammo there was was priced too high to shoot. I discovered that it was very easy to make from 30/06 cases. A few years later I found that Norma was making it but it was too easy to make to bother buying it.0 -
Fatstrat really knows his Japanese guns, he has been a collector for years. If you have any questions, e-mail him 0 -
If you have some shot out Jap war rifles we can make money with them.
Cut it in half with a bandsaw and put it on a nice piece of Oak for display.
I'll sell it to the Japanese tourists here on Guam for you.0 -
I have a 7.7 Jap my grandpa brought back from WWII. It shoots good but it is more of a keepsake. 0 -
I LOVE the type 38s! Dad got one out of a cave in the Philippines in March of 45, it was the carbine version. Unfortunately my brother got a hold of it back in 68 and "sporterized" it! I'm in the process of piecing another 38 carbine together in the original configuration. But luckily Dad brought home some swords and flags as handed down souvenirs. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
If you have some shot out Jap war rifles we can make money with them.
Cut it in half with a bandsaw and put it on a nice piece of Oak for display.
I'll sell it to the Japanese tourists here on Guam for you.
I thought if I could Fix it up I could maybe use it to help you Invade Canada0 -
here is a great link for you arisaka lovers
http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html
frank does your have a full mumm or is it ground off?0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
here is a great link for you arisaka lovers
http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html
frank does your have a full mumm or is it ground off?
I can still make it out but part of it has been ground off. However that link you sent me should be very usefull in helping me to better identify it. I still havent gone out to the shed to dig it up yet,but I did print the symbol translation charts off that link you sent me. I appreciate your reply to this and as soon as I get some free time I'll bring it in and clean it up but to be honest I cant see that happening until after the holidays! Thanks again and Have A Merry Christmas.0 -
Not me. They and the Italian Carcano are junk as military rifles go. 0 -
Yeah, I have a few. The variations makes them a fasinating collector field. Pre-Early war (WW-2) rifles were very well made. Altho many people mistake their utilitarian appearance as poor quality. As the war went badly for Japan, quality did suffer in degree's that are easily visible on the T-99. Until by wars end, they were unsafe junk.
Much of the bad rep Arisaka have is due to either people trying to fire the clearly marked (in Japanese) blanks only training rifles, or the very late war "Last Ditch" T-99's.0 -
Arisaka Type 38 / Type 99, Japan
The Arisaka Type 38 rifle was introduced in 1905. It served until the end of the Second World War in 1945.
The Model 38 was chambered for the compact but effective 6.5x50mm cartridge. This little semi-rimmed number has the smallest case (and thus powder capacity) of any of the 6.5mm military cartridges of that era, and generated the least recoil. Never the less, it was a flat shooting and effective cartridge, as U.S. Marines discovered to their dismay during the Pacific War.
In 1939 Japan adopted a new, larger, rimless service cartridge, the 7.7x58mm (.303 caliber). At the same time a rimmed version of the new cartridge was designed specifically for machine gun use.
A modified Type 38 rifle, the Type 99 Arisaka, was introduced for the new 7.7x58 cartridge. It was intended that the Type 99 and 7.7mm cartridge would supplant the Type 38 and its 6.5mm cartridge, but the beginning of WW II caught the Japanese with both rifles and calibers in service, and both remained in service for the duration. This proliferation of "standard" service cartridges complicated an already critical Japanese supply problem.
The Arisaka rifles use a rather ugly modified Mauser 98 type action with a convenient but large, rotary safety knob on the rear of the bolt. However, looks can be deceiving. The Arisaka is actually a very strong action. In tests conducted after the end of WW II by U.S. Military ordinance experts, the Arisaka was found to be the strongest service rifle action of the war.
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As the war progressed, the Arisaka rifles suffered from accelerated production quotas, manufacturing shortcuts and material shortages. Pre-war Arisaka rifles are well made, but wartime examples, particularly those produced late in the war, can be very rough. As far as I can tell, Arisaka rifles were never produced for civilian use and, unlike the Mauser 98, there are no "commercial" Arisaka actions.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/top_infantry_rifles.htm0 -
quote:Originally posted by Frank Goad
I recently stumbled across sombodys profile and remember them saying they liked Japanese rifles. well I have one I actually found in the trash a very long time ago. The action was all missing and was in prety bad shape. I never knew what it was because all the wrighting is either chinese or Japanese. Its real long with a flipup sight and has that thing on the front of the barrel for a bayonette. It looks like it might be from the imperial army.
Does it have the emperior's seal on it? Its the chysantheum (sp) flower. When Japan surendered one of the last military orders issued was for the troops to destroy the emperiors seal on all weapons. This might/might not have an impact on the rifles worth. Do some research, it might prove interesting.0 -
Regarding "Last Ditch" rifles. Late war rifles were MFG'erd by "cottage industry" due to allied bombing of Japanese cities/arsenals. MFG sites were set up civilian area's in garages etc.
Also due to growing allied superiority over the sea's and air, the Japanese had a growning problem of suitable materials.
Lastly, the Japanese Army & Naval depts, which operated indepenedently and in competition with one another for materials and manpower, had a practice of drafting from one anothers weapons contractors. Which by late-war time mean't that women and children had largely replaced experienced arsenal personel. And late war rifles were being built in make shift shops, on worn tooling, w/sub-standard materials, by inexperienced machine operators.0
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