Another Statute of Limitations!!! The stolen Musta
The first post I wrote in this forum was about the statute of limitations and what good is it anyway? Well I want you to know that the response I recieved from you everyone really inspired me to push the issue again. So I took your advice and contacted the MD State Police in the county whare the car is physically kept. They told me that the Sheriff's department covered that part of the county so I called them. I explained to them how the car was stolen in 1992 and and how over 10 years later it turned up. I told them a new investigation was opened and that I thought the car was in Maryland. They said they would be more than happy to help the original police dept. in any way they could( warrents/ judicial orders, etc.) They would not however open a new investigation. Sounds like GREAT NEWS to me!!!
On December 19th I tried contacting the detective who wrote the original report, but he wasn't in. After several days of not being able to reach him, I left a message for the chief. When the Chief called me back, he advised me that he recalls a letter he recieved from a congressman on my behalf in reference to this. He told me that he would speak to the detective that had handled the case. I also told the chief that even though I thought the detective was doing a great job, I felt he was losing his patience with me. The chief reassured me that the detective is the resident expert on this sort of thing and that he would bring the detective up to speed, so that come Monday morning he could "Hit the ground running". I told the chief I knew it was right befor Christmas and by no means did I want to burden anybody right befor the holiday. He assured me it was no bother and they would straighten it out. I didn't hear from either of them. (But hey it's a holiday!)
Now its about 11am on the 26th, and the detective who was supposed to "Hit the ground running" seems mad that he was hearing from me again. He told me he told the chief the same thing he told me a long time ago. that I was advised to pursue the situation in civil court. I told him, I was told it was the responsibility of the original reporting agency to finish their investigation. The detective said the prosecuter's office said
the Statute had expired for the theft. I told him I understand all that but I'm not trying to prosicute anybody all I want to do is get back what is rightfully mine. I reminded him how in depth his report was, and that he told me new charges could be filed against everybody for possession of a stolen motor vehicle. He interrupted me to remind me that he told me to go to the township where the cop who sold the car lived and press charges against him for possesion. I informed the detective that when I tried that I was told that those charges were federal offenses and I would have to go to federal court in Camden. (Which didn't work anyway, everybody there pawned me off onto someone else) I then told the detective it was not my job to do all that leg work. I AM THE VICTIM. If the Delaware guy isn't happy then he should be the one to take legal action. After all I have the original title along with the police reports that prove it was stolen from me. None of the paperwork the other guy has is valid because nobody had legal ownership of the car except me. I guess I offended the detective he told me to "have a nice day" I asked him to wait, and all I got was a "HAVE A NICE DAY!" He hung up on me. Now what the heck do I do? Just wait to see if he does his job! He knows that in a few more days the Statute of limitations will expire for the possession charges and after that everybody walks. I'm starting to think everybody is in on it like a conspiracy theory!
On December 19th I tried contacting the detective who wrote the original report, but he wasn't in. After several days of not being able to reach him, I left a message for the chief. When the Chief called me back, he advised me that he recalls a letter he recieved from a congressman on my behalf in reference to this. He told me that he would speak to the detective that had handled the case. I also told the chief that even though I thought the detective was doing a great job, I felt he was losing his patience with me. The chief reassured me that the detective is the resident expert on this sort of thing and that he would bring the detective up to speed, so that come Monday morning he could "Hit the ground running". I told the chief I knew it was right befor Christmas and by no means did I want to burden anybody right befor the holiday. He assured me it was no bother and they would straighten it out. I didn't hear from either of them. (But hey it's a holiday!)
Now its about 11am on the 26th, and the detective who was supposed to "Hit the ground running" seems mad that he was hearing from me again. He told me he told the chief the same thing he told me a long time ago. that I was advised to pursue the situation in civil court. I told him, I was told it was the responsibility of the original reporting agency to finish their investigation. The detective said the prosecuter's office said
the Statute had expired for the theft. I told him I understand all that but I'm not trying to prosicute anybody all I want to do is get back what is rightfully mine. I reminded him how in depth his report was, and that he told me new charges could be filed against everybody for possession of a stolen motor vehicle. He interrupted me to remind me that he told me to go to the township where the cop who sold the car lived and press charges against him for possesion. I informed the detective that when I tried that I was told that those charges were federal offenses and I would have to go to federal court in Camden. (Which didn't work anyway, everybody there pawned me off onto someone else) I then told the detective it was not my job to do all that leg work. I AM THE VICTIM. If the Delaware guy isn't happy then he should be the one to take legal action. After all I have the original title along with the police reports that prove it was stolen from me. None of the paperwork the other guy has is valid because nobody had legal ownership of the car except me. I guess I offended the detective he told me to "have a nice day" I asked him to wait, and all I got was a "HAVE A NICE DAY!" He hung up on me. Now what the heck do I do? Just wait to see if he does his job! He knows that in a few more days the Statute of limitations will expire for the possession charges and after that everybody walks. I'm starting to think everybody is in on it like a conspiracy theory!
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Paragraphs are a good thing. 0 -
got to get higher up on the food chain,
Keep calling they will get tired of it and do something. I think if it came down to it a lawyer could get around the statute of limitation by you giving them new info and them not acting on it.
find a lawyer that gives a free first visit, get some ideas, then look for a paralegal that files paper work on the side. they cant give leagle advice but they are the ones that do all the leg work for that $200hr lawyer crap.[:(]
you could be getting the run around because there was a cop involved
no im not a lawyer and i dont play one on TV either.[:D]0 -
quote:Paragraphs are a good thing. [;)]
Yup. If you want me to read it they are.0 -
It sounds like a coverup/over to me as well. Cops look out for cops. I suggest you contact the police internal investigations unit of the police force that you have been talking with.
Of course, doing this, you might just end up getting tickets for doing 56 in a 55 for the rest of your life.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
Paragraphs are a good thing.
Yep, made it 'bout half way. Eyes still hurt.0 -
What the cop is telling you is that the charge for auto theft can't be brought due to the statute of limitations....you can still get the car and charge the Cop under other laws without Statutes of limitations.
www.stolencarreports.com
Contact the FBI, they investigate Public Corruption like Cop Auto Theft rings:
www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/pubcorrupt/pubcorrupt.htm
I want you to take your VIN and check it here to see if it is still reported as stolen:
www.nicb.org/cps/rde/xchg/nicb/hs.xsl/vincheck.html
File your civil case against the man if you are sure the VIN on the car matches your title. Have proof to demonstrate it. You'll get the car back.0 -
Or you can sell us the title with directions to where the car is and somebody else will get it. 0 -
Seems to me that you are deep enough into this to actually have to learn what the appropriate codes are, and the jurisdiction that would give you the relief you are looking for.
If you're feeling that police corruption is present, then going up the food chain to the FBI would be a good move. The agents can make a name for themselves by making a case against local police.
Good luck. And to add to the above comments, if you wish to make a case for yourself, write down everything that has happened, with contact phone numbers and names, in a coherent time line. Also with paragraphs. Ask someone to proof read it for you. If they understand what is going on, then you have a script to go off of when you talk to someone new.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
Paragraphs are a good thing.
I know and I appoligise for that. I do tend to get a little carried away somtimes. If thers one thing I hate worse than reading some long drawn out post is being the shmuck trying to type it. Besides I think everybody that ever read one of my posts knows that this is not exactly one of my strong points.0 -
I never thought I would say this but...
Contact The Media!0 -
Frank. You could edit the post. Insert some lines. re-post it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MT357
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
Paragraphs are a good thing.
Yep, made it 'bout half way. Eyes still hurt.
yea I know sorry , My eyes were hurting me trying to type it. I wished I could of sumed it up quicker because I was exhausted but my mind was restless.0 -
quote:Originally posted by MBK
Frank. You could edit the post. Insert some lines. re-post it.
Yea, I appreciate that but it really takes me a long time to find the letters to the words I want to say and then have to spell them and remember to space and punctuate and it. really takes me forever but Im getting better , I think im up to 7 maybe 8 words an hour.Depending on how big the words are.0 -
What's the name of the cop with the stolen car?
Is this him?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F05EED81039F930A15756C0A9609582600 -
Sounds like a great segment for your local T.V. station crime reporter. they love to screw with the police, but everyone is right in saying to get it typed in a manner that is readable,I'm sure that you can find someone to do it foryou. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
What the cop is telling you is that the charge for auto theft can't be brought due to the statute of limitations....you can still get the car and charge the Cop under other laws without Statutes of limitations.
www.stolencarreports.com
Contact the FBI, they investigate Public Corruption like Cop Auto Theft rings:
www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/pubcorrupt/pubcorrupt.htm
I want you to take your VIN and check it here to see if it is still reported as stolen:
www.nicb.org/cps/rde/xchg/nicb/hs.xsl/vincheck.html
File your civil case against the man if you are sure the VIN on the car matches your title. Have proof to demonstrate it. You'll get the car back.
ObiWan, The det. who wrote the report claims that on January 15 2003 the NJ. State Police checked the vin in NICB and it came back as stolen not recovered.However when I checked it useing the link you sent me it came back as not being a vehicle listed in NICB'S VINCheck database. I just got off the phone with that Det's chief I reminded him of our previous conversation when I told him I thought the Det. was tired of dealing with this case and how I regreted having to bother him again . I told him I apparently must have said somthing to offend your detectice he said No he is probabally just a little frustrated because he dosent know what else he can do. I said Well I tried telling him what maryland told me what they needed him to do. and thats when he got mad and hung up on me.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
What's the name of the cop with the stolen car?
Is this him?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F05EED81039F930A15756C0A960958260
No thats not him and Im a little hesident to give any names my luck I would be the one to get thrown in jail or sued !0 -
heh try this form:
www.marylandmva.com/Resources/IS-109.pdf
Mail it here:
Maryland Motor Vehicle Administration, 6601 Ritchie Highway, Room 53, Glen Burnie, Maryland 21062
Send copies of proof you are the owner and the car was stolen.0 -
Re-contact the Chief you spoke with and get him directly involved, even if it's done by a conference call between the three of you.
It sounds as if the water keeps getting muddied up by discussion of whether criminal charges can be brought or who could be charged. At this point there's no telling how many hands this car passed through in the years since it's theft, meaning lots of follow-up work would need to be done to determine the last person who actually had knowledge that it was stolen and can be charged. The investigator you've been dealing with could just be reluctant to take on a case that involves tying together a puzzle spanning decades in order to file criminal charges. In other words, in his mind he has more pressing matters on his desk.
Make it very clear that you just want your property back, that you're simply wanting them to confirm to any potential recovering agency that the car was reported as stolen to them and has yet to be recovered. Insure they understand that whether the person who currently has the car is arrested or not is of no concern to you, that after this long you just want your car back.
If they'll confirm it and the agency in Maryland recovers your car, you've achieved your goal. A possession of stolen property statute might be on the books, but no requirement exists that the person who has your car be charged in order to seize the car from them. One way or another, this potential offense is occurring in the state where the car's located, not the initial reporting agency's jurisdiction.
It would be icing on the cake if someone went to jail for causing you to go through all of this, but the main thing is that you get your property back. Afterwards, the long and winding trail to determine criminal responsibility will still be there for potential investigation.0 -
Seems to me if you have the title to the car, it's an open and shut
case. GO GET YOUR CAR. Go where ever it is, make sure you have a key
and the titles, call the local law enforcement in that area and
have them meet you somewhere, show them the title and get your car.
OR, just go get your car. When it's parked, get in it and drive home.
You got the titles so you're legal.0 -
+1 to both of the above. Get the cheif on a conference call with the detective.
Go pick up the car.0 -
quote:Originally posted by divecop
Seems to me if you have the title to the car, it's an open and shut
case. GO GET YOUR CAR. Go where ever it is, make sure you have a key
and the titles, call the local law enforcement in that area and
have them meet you somewhere, show them the title and get your car.
OR, just go get your car. When it's parked, get in it and drive home.
You got the titles so you're legal.
This is exactly how I handled a motorcycle that was stolen from me and disappeared for years.
It was easy.
Doug0 -
Contact your local news station or news paper and ask for the editors desk, tell and send them all that you have! They love stuff like this! [:D] 0 -
Like I've always said, repossession is nine-tenths of the law.
However, a car like that on a property like that ain't gonna be sitting out by the front gate with a bow on it, he probably only takes it out of the vault to drive it on sunny Sundays once a month, and by now he probably knows you're coming.
I would've gone the local media consumer crusader route by now, to get the original agency fired up if nothing else. Sometimes ya gotta hit 'em between the eyes with a 2x4 to get their attention.0 -
Keep rattling the chiefs cage. He'll get tired of the complaints and get something done. Trust me. 0 -
IIRC in the original post you claim the car is yours but didn't you indicate the VIN on the car is NOT the one you have on your title ? From past experince (job related) it is very easy to replace the VIN and a couple of the "hidden" numbers. If this has been done you MUST get a police department involved. Most states have an Auto Theft Unit in their state police ranks, someone from one of those units would be the experts you want involved. 0 -
I figure it'll be Federal Beef since it's over state lines.
I recall not too long ago a dude who had his '55 T-bird stolen and got it back 30 years later or something.
Personally I wouldn't give a fart who got charged with what as long as I got my ride back. That being said what's the Ford worth? Is it one of the '60's or '70's? (anything after that it's "Found On Road Dead" unless it's a 5.0 convertable like in Vanilla Ice video[:D] then it's all about "word to your mother"[;)]).0 -
How much is this worth to you? You need to hire an attorney. Plan on $200.00 per hour +costs.
OR, file yourself. You'll probably muck it up, but you can't do nothing.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
Or you can sell us the title with directions to where the car is and somebody else will get it.
exactly, if you know where the thing is and have papers to it, go steal the thing back [:D]0 -
Some of you are saying to just go steal it back ! Believe me, I'v thought about that several times but its not that easy.
I visited both adresses the first one being the one on his title in DE and the other being in MD. Which happens to be a huge horse ranch with big out buildings and lots of garages, stables,and barns.
I know he and his wife both collect and show classic cars and appear to have more money than Bill Gates.His attorney already told the investigator that his client was aware that the car was stolen because he had the vin checked in his resorces and refuses to relinquish the vehicle.
I cant afford $200.00 dollars an hour for a lawyer to reprosent my case in civil court which could take forever. I can see me maybe finding a paralegal who might be willing to work on the side to file a pro se litigant request with me like one of you guys suggested.
I did speek with the Chief again and he assures me that he will straighten things out with the detective and they would get back to me.
Its only been a day or two since he said he would call so I figure if I dont hear from them by the years end come January I might be going to the media!0
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