git_r_done (followup break question)
Some time ago I posted a thread (couldn't find it to repost) asking for an explanation of how compression brakes/jake brakes worked and you were among those who answered.
I think you also said you thought today's truck drivers rely too much on the compression breaks. Now I'm wondering why? It seems to me that the compression break would probably be less apt to fail than a standard break and also would require less maintenance. Other than the noise they make, what's wrong with them?
In short, why do you say you think today's drivers rely too much on compression breaks?
I think you also said you thought today's truck drivers rely too much on the compression breaks. Now I'm wondering why? It seems to me that the compression break would probably be less apt to fail than a standard break and also would require less maintenance. Other than the noise they make, what's wrong with them?
In short, why do you say you think today's drivers rely too much on compression breaks?
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Personally, I love jake brakes (the sound), and from what I understand
they must work off the compression of the motor, thus causing engine
wear. But I may be totally wrong, but DO love their sound.
Wish I could get one for me pickup.[:D][8D][:D]0 -
They are a great tool!
The problem with relying on them too much is that there are still a few companies (ABF being one that I know of for sure) who order thier trucks without Jakes. These also happen to be some of the best paying companies out there when it comes to driving jobs. And a driver who highly depends on a Jake can end up in trouble if he does not know how to come off a steep grade without it.
Also a Jake is on an electrical circut to operate it. If it happens to blow a circut for that Jake system while you are comming off a hill you can get into trouble.
When I first was learning to drive truck it did have a Jake on it but I was not allowed to use it untill I proved I had total controll without it.
I never ment for it to sound like I am against useing a Jake at all. I only ment that a driver needs to know how to drive a truck without useing it and not totally depend on it being there and that it will allways work.
Most of the guys who are learning to drive today are taught nothing about how to drive without it and there fore can end up with problems if the system ever fails or they end up in a truck that does not have it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by spryor
Personally, I love jake brakes (the sound), and from what I understand
they must work off the compression of the motor, thus causing engine
wear. But I may be totally wrong, but DO love their sound.
Wish I could get one for me pickup.[:D][8D][:D]
If you have a Dodge with a cummins you can get one![:D]0 -
Hmmm, may just have to look into trading.[;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
They are a great tool!
The problem with relying on them too much is that there are still a few companies (ABF being one that I know of for sure) who order thier trucks without Jakes. These also happen to be some of the best paying companies out there when it comes to driving jobs. And a driver who highly depends on a Jake can end up in trouble if he does not know how to come off a steep grade without it.
Also a Jake is on an electrical circut to operate it. If it happens to blow a circut for that Jake system while you are comming off a hill you can get into trouble.
When I first was learning to drive truck it did have a Jake on it but I was not allowed to use it untill I proved I had total controll without it.
I never ment for it to sound like I am against useing a Jake at all. I only ment that a driver needs to know how to drive a truck without useing it and not totally depend on it being there and that it will allways work.
Most of the guys who are learning to drive today are taught nothing about how to drive without it and there fore can end up with problems if the system ever fails or they end up in a truck that does not have it.
That makes sense. It never sounded to me like you were against them, just--as you said--that today's driver depends too much on them. I figured you had a good reason for your comment.
This sounds like a lot of other things we do today: the technology is great, but it leaves us lost when it breaks down because we never learned the fundamentals behind the system it controls.
Thanks for that.0 -
One of the guy's that we camp with has a new Chevy 3500 with the Duramax and he says it the Jake Brake from the factory. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ljwrench
One of the guy's that we camp with has a new Chevy 3500 with the Duramax and he says it the Jake Brake from the factory.
I believe the Duramax has a exaust brake which is different.
But it does cause an engine brakeing effect.
People who do not know can get them confused.0 -
quote:Most of the guys who are learning to drive today are taught nothing about how to drive without it and there fore can end up with problems if the system ever fails or they end up in a truck that does not have it.
git_r_done +1 The life you save may be your own , or MINE [;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by 375H&H
quote:Most of the guys who are learning to drive today are taught nothing about how to drive without it and there fore can end up with problems if the system ever fails or they end up in a truck that does not have it.
git_r_done +1 The life you save may be your own , or MINE [;)]
Thsat is exactly why I feel like I do about Jake Brakes!
They are a great tool of the trade but drivers can be too dependant on them!
I also never went into what can happen if a driver uses them on slick icy roads! I'll I will say is it is a jackknife waiting to happen![;)]
Think about it. Lock the drive tires up by misstake on an icy road and the trailer comes around quicker than a person can react to it![V][V]0
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