Would gunowners be better off if the NRA went away
Just a question.
If all NRA members jumped ship and the NRA dried up and went away
would we as gunowners be better off?
If all NRA members jumped ship and the NRA dried up and went away
would we as gunowners be better off?
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That is debateable to say the least!
If It went away, It could take alot of gunowners with it.0 -
Never 0 -
Some folks seem to think so.
IMO Schumer, Feinstein, Brady et al would certainly be better off.0 -
I know the gungrabber politicions would be throwing a party. 0 -
I really dont see how it would better us? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Just a question.
If all NRA members jumped ship and the NRA dried up and went away
would we as gunowners be better off?
Yes, but only if the former members joined a no-compromise group like JPFO or GOA, to name two.
4 million armed and organized Americans, speaking with no equivocation that Amendment II means what it says and infringements are not to be tolerated would go along way towards putting things right.
NRA has American gunowners on a carefully orchestrated and carefully managed "slow boat" to absolute government regulation of all privately owned firearms IMHO.
The NRA is simply supporting a different Second Amendment than that written in the Us Constitution's Bill of Rights. The NRA version is absolutely alright and supportive of government regulation, restriction and control over a citizens access and ability to use and carry firearms. It is about "hunting", "sporting purposes", "recreational shooting" and "government regulated self defense".
They may say differently, but it is what it is.0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
I know the gungrabber politicions would be throwing a party.
Yes they would have a large party and celebrate with the Brady bunch and others.
The NRA is very important to retaining the second amendment in this country. My opinion.
Gun-owners don't appear to be supporting anyone else. None of the other groups have any significant membership. Gee! I wonder why that is?? Anyone have the answer?
Divide and conquer, is that a viable solution?0 -
No. 0 -
Were the NRA to go away, one of two things would happen.
There would be a sweeping gun ban in place within 5 years.(Instead of the 10-20-30 year program in place)
Thereafter, freedom loving gun owners would either take this country back post-haste, and re-introduce the Constitution..and freedom..to this country...
Or we would lose.
Frankly, I see a win-win here. Either of these should be prefered to the slow death we are facing today.
Killing those of us talking incessently about the 'Constitution' would make it SO much easier on the 'go-along-to-get-along types"..their days would be SO much more tranquil...and we freedom lovers wouldn't have to live the agony of watching tyranny advance step by step...
And were WE to win...a crash program to re-program the robots created by the mass media and big government and big business could be instituted instantly..reclaiming most if not all of the big business/big government drones that merely repeat whatever they heard on Rush Limbaugh or CNN or CBS last night...0 -
I think that all the NRA needs to do is go back to basics of old days logic. Now days, I dont see it happening. 0 -
Would a population be better off if the traitors went away?
Ummmm....lemme think about this........0 -
I guess I'll stay and be a proud member of the NRA and you can do what you want. Divide and conquer and that's all you are saying and that's what the Brady Bunch wants. Destroyed from Within. 0 -
fshfndr, it is sad that you actually believe the illusion that Brady and NRA are enemies. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
I know the gungrabber politicions would be throwing a party.
And the Secular-Progressive Gestapho would be in your home grabbing your firearms - one way or another.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
fshfndr, it is sad that you actually believe the illusion that Brady and NRA are enemies.
It is common knowledge that the NRA played a major role in recently getting the Fla. "stand your ground" or "Castle Doctrine" law passed. This meant that for the first a peaceful, lawful citizen who was where he had a right to be, if attacked could not use force, lethal if necessary, to defend himself. This defense would now be without any criminal or CIVIL liabilities.
After this law got passed the Brady bunch went nuts. They put on demonstrations at airports, bus stations, billboards, leaflets all warning visitors that now Fla. people had the "right to kill". So, yeah, dispite your hatred for the NRA (did they shoot your dog?) I would consider this just one example of how the Brady bunch and the NRA are indeed "enemies".0 -
quote:Originally posted by sig232
quote:Originally posted by MVP
I know the gungrabber politicions would be throwing a party.
Yes they would have a large party and celebrate with the Brady bunch and others.
The NRA is very important to retaining the second amendment in this country. My opinion.
Gun-owners don't appear to be supporting anyone else. None of the other groups have any significant membership. Gee! I wonder why that is?? Anyone have the answer?
Divide and conquer, is that a viable solution?
Hi sig.
Yep I have at least part of the answer to the question you posed.
Your very opening point, makes mine. That is that the NRA is very important in retaining the Second Amendment in America, in your opinion.
Allow me to expand on that thought and to answer your question.
One must remember that the NRA has been a large part of "American Culture" and has had the status of an "American Institution" since the late 1800's. As such, it is ingrained into the fabric of American Society. Case in point, look at the "red haze of hate" that comes over many who feel strongly about the positive force they believe the NRA to be, simply because some want to show what the NRA has become and what actions they ACTUALLY take, not what they say they do.
I see this phenomenon as similar to finding out that ones wife has been steadily cheating on you since before you even got married.
As a historical organization and an "American Institution", the NRA has access to the trust and "institutional support" that goes along with its status. The NRA has people purchasing memberships for their children, their friends, as gifts etc.. All this is based on the TRUST and the historical perspective that the NRA enjoys with the American people.
In my opinion, therein lays the problem. Since the NRA is so well entrenched with Americans and since most of our fathers, mothers, grandfathers etc have been proud NRA Members, we follow along in the same belief, trust and faith that America has always had in the NRA.
Sadly, the NRA has proven to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, whether intentional as I believe, or unwittingly by originally starting down the compromise road with good intentions.
Doesn't really matter which historical road they took. It is what it is.
Most of the other "newer" gun-rights organizations sprang up DUE TO the truth about the NRA. Many saw that the NRA was talking a good game, but that they were actually facilitating and assisting in the slow erosion of Amendment II. These "new upstart" groups, have NONE of the institutional entrenchment and generational historical support that the NRA enjoys.
Many Americans see that the NRA is a danger to true Amendment II rights, through their insidious deals and acceptance of government regulation of all things firearm. My personal opinion is that the NRA is and has been in cahoots with a predatory government for many years and that their role is to "sell" slow infringements of the RTKBA to the American People. What better organization than an American Institution, that has the trust and respect of America's gun owners, to facilitate and assist in gaining the acceptance of the American people in total government regulation of firearms?
It is a testament to the TRUTH about the NRA that the membership in some of these groups is over 500,000. Not sure of the exact membership figures, but it is illustrative of a growing awakening and acknowledgment of the truth of NRA complicity in gun-control and in NOT supporting the Second Amendment as enumerated in the US Constitution's Bill of Rights.
I calls them like I sees them. This is how I see it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Nighthawk
I really dont see how it would better us?
Nor do I...however I still ain't friendly with them right now....0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by jpwolf
fshfndr, it is sad that you actually believe the illusion that Brady and NRA are enemies.
It is common knowledge that the NRA played a major role in recently getting the Fla. "stand your ground" or "Castle Doctrine" law passed. This meant that for the first a peaceful, lawful citizen who was where he had a right to be, if attacked could not use force, lethal if necessary, to defend himself. This defense would now be without any criminal or CIVIL liabilities.
After this law got passed the Brady bunch went nuts. They put on demonstrations at airports, bus stations, billboards, leaflets all warning visitors that now Fla. people had the "right to kill". So, yeah, dispite your hatred for the NRA (did they shoot your dog?) I would consider this just one example of how the Brady bunch and the NRA are indeed "enemies".
Yeah, the Castle Doctrine is a good thing and it did have NRA support, amongst much other support. So what? The NRA does lots of good things that can be pointed to.
How does this square with provable NRA support of gun control, or don't you want to address that pesky little issue?
I maintain that they should stick to what things they do well and step out of the "fight" for Amendment II. In that, they are complicit and guilty as hell in eroding Amendment II.
It is what it is.0 -
quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Just a question.
If all NRA members jumped ship and the NRA dried up and went away
would we as gunowners be better off?
Yes, but only if the former members joined a no-compromise group like JPFO or GOA, to name two.
4 million armed and organized Americans, speaking with no equivocation that Amendment II means what it says and infringements are not to be tolerated would go along way towards putting things right.
NRA has American gunowners on a carefully orchestrated and carefully managed "slow boat" to absolute government regulation of all privately owned firearms IMHO.
The NRA is simply supporting a different Second Amendment than that written in the Us Constitution's Bill of Rights. The NRA version is absolutely alright and supportive of government regulation, restriction and control over a citizens access and ability to use and carry firearms. It is about "hunting", "sporting purposes", "recreational shooting" and "government regulated self defense".
They may say differently, but it is what it is.
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quote:Originally posted by lt496
quote:Originally posted by sig232
quote:Originally posted by MVP
I know the gungrabber politicions would be throwing a party.
Yes they would have a large party and celebrate with the Brady bunch and others.
The NRA is very important to retaining the second amendment in this country. My opinion.
Gun-owners don't appear to be supporting anyone else. None of the other groups have any significant membership. Gee! I wonder why that is?? Anyone have the answer?
Divide and conquer, is that a viable solution?
Hi sig.
Yep I have at least part of the answer to the question you posed.
Your very opening point, makes mine. That is that the NRA is very important in retaining the Second Amendment in America, in your opinion.
Allow me to expand on that thought and to answer your question.
One must remember that the NRA has been a large part of "American Culture" and has had the status of an "American Institution" since the late 1800's. As such, it is ingrained into the fabric of American Society. Case in point, look at the "red haze of hate" that comes over many who feel strongly about the positive force they believe the NRA to be, simply because some want to show what the NRA has become and what actions they ACTUALLY take, not what they say they do.
I see this phenomenon as similar to finding out that ones wife has been steadily cheating on you since before you even got married.
As a historical organization and an "American Institution", the NRA has access to the trust and "institutional support" that goes along with its status. The NRA has people purchasing memberships for their children, their friends, as gifts etc.. All this is based on the TRUST and the historical perspective that the NRA enjoys with the American people.
In my opinion, therein lays the problem. Since the NRA is so well entrenched with Americans and since most of our fathers, mothers, grandfathers etc have been proud NRA Members, we follow along in the same belief, trust and faith that America has always had in the NRA.
Sadly, the NRA has proven to be a wolf in sheep's clothing, whether intentional as I believe, or unwittingly by originally starting down the compromise road with good intentions.
Doesn't really matter which historical road they took. It is what it is.
Most of the other "newer" gun-rights organizations sprang up DUE TO the truth about the NRA. Many saw that the NRA was talking a good game, but that they were actually facilitating and assisting in the slow erosion of Amendment II. These "new upstart" groups, have NONE of the institutional entrenchment and generational historical support that the NRA enjoys.
Many Americans see that the NRA is a danger to true Amendment II rights, through their insidious deals and acceptance of government regulation of all things firearm. My personal opinion is that the NRA is and has been in cahoots with a predatory government for many years and that their role is to "sell" slow infringements of the RTKBA to the American People. What better organization than an American Institution, that has the trust and respect of America's gun owners, to facilitate and assist in gaining the acceptance of the American people in total government regulation of firearms?
It is a testament to the TRUTH about the NRA that the membership in some of these groups is over 500,000. Not sure of the exact membership figures, but it is illustrative of a growing awakening and acknowledgment of the truth of NRA complicity in gun-control and in NOT supporting the Second Amendment as enumerated in the US Constitution's Bill of Rights.
I calls them like I sees them. This is how I see it.
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