"Idaho boys toting guns"
From Fox News.......Idaho Teens Tote Loaded Guns Around Town Legally Sunday, May 20, 2007
POST FALLS, Idaho - Two home-schooled teenagers in this northern Idaho town say they are carrying loaded guns to the library, grocery store and other public areas for self-defense, as a crime deterrent, and to educate others about their rights.
Zach Doty, 18, carries a loaded Glock handgun on his hip. His 15-year-old brother, Steven, carries a .22-caliber rifle in a sling on his back.
Police have been called on several occasions to question the teens but have not found the teens to be in violation of the law.
In Idaho, residents 18 and older can openly carry a firearm in public. And those ages 13 to 17 who have parental permission can carry a rifle in public.
"I certainly don't anticipate that I'll need to use it, but I'd rather have it and not need it than to not have it and need it," Zach told the Coeur d'Alene Press. "There's no reason for me to hide a weapon."
Zach was stopped April 17 on his way to Bible study. On Friday, police again responded when someone reported the brothers with guns in a park. But police left after confirming it was the Doty's.
Zach has also been approached by others.
"There have been good opportunities to speak to people," he said. "I make sure they know that open carrying is legal, why I carry and I encourage them to consider doing so themselves."
The brothers carry their weapons to parks, the library, grocery stores and other places. They can't have their guns with them on school property, courthouses or jails.
Not everyone is comfortable with armed teenagers in the neighborhood.
"I turned back so that my wife could verify what I saw," said James Rebal, who called police after seeing Zach with his gun. "He was very nicely dressed and I saw nothing to be concerned about other than the weapon. It's not something you see in Idaho. Virginia Tech was fresh in my mind, and I thought it was better to err on the side of concern."
A lone gunman killed 32 people and himself last month at Virginia Tech University.
John Dunlap, commander of the American Legion Post 143, said he asked Zach to leave the Legion at a recent lunch because Zach was carrying his gun.
"He left and came back the next day (without the gun) for soup," said Dunlap, who described the brothers as "well-mannered."
Ed Santos owns Center Target Sports in Post Falls and is a gun safety instructor. He said the Dotys came to his shop but he doesn't sell handgun ammunition to people under 21.
He said that just because the Dotys are carrying guns in public doesn't mean they're not responsible with them, but questioned the need to carry them in town even though it was legal.
"My advice for them is the same as it is with adults - yes it's your right and yes it's legal, but why draw unnecessary attention to yourself just because you can?" Santos said. "I believe the intent (of the law) was to allow it more for hunting and recreation."
Zach said he's not paranoid or a radical.
"If I was an extremist, our founding fathers would all be extremists," he said. "Without them, we wouldn't have our independence. We'd be a disarmed British system of feudal subjectivity."
POST FALLS, Idaho - Two home-schooled teenagers in this northern Idaho town say they are carrying loaded guns to the library, grocery store and other public areas for self-defense, as a crime deterrent, and to educate others about their rights.
Zach Doty, 18, carries a loaded Glock handgun on his hip. His 15-year-old brother, Steven, carries a .22-caliber rifle in a sling on his back.
Police have been called on several occasions to question the teens but have not found the teens to be in violation of the law.
In Idaho, residents 18 and older can openly carry a firearm in public. And those ages 13 to 17 who have parental permission can carry a rifle in public.
"I certainly don't anticipate that I'll need to use it, but I'd rather have it and not need it than to not have it and need it," Zach told the Coeur d'Alene Press. "There's no reason for me to hide a weapon."
Zach was stopped April 17 on his way to Bible study. On Friday, police again responded when someone reported the brothers with guns in a park. But police left after confirming it was the Doty's.
Zach has also been approached by others.
"There have been good opportunities to speak to people," he said. "I make sure they know that open carrying is legal, why I carry and I encourage them to consider doing so themselves."
The brothers carry their weapons to parks, the library, grocery stores and other places. They can't have their guns with them on school property, courthouses or jails.
Not everyone is comfortable with armed teenagers in the neighborhood.
"I turned back so that my wife could verify what I saw," said James Rebal, who called police after seeing Zach with his gun. "He was very nicely dressed and I saw nothing to be concerned about other than the weapon. It's not something you see in Idaho. Virginia Tech was fresh in my mind, and I thought it was better to err on the side of concern."
A lone gunman killed 32 people and himself last month at Virginia Tech University.
John Dunlap, commander of the American Legion Post 143, said he asked Zach to leave the Legion at a recent lunch because Zach was carrying his gun.
"He left and came back the next day (without the gun) for soup," said Dunlap, who described the brothers as "well-mannered."
Ed Santos owns Center Target Sports in Post Falls and is a gun safety instructor. He said the Dotys came to his shop but he doesn't sell handgun ammunition to people under 21.
He said that just because the Dotys are carrying guns in public doesn't mean they're not responsible with them, but questioned the need to carry them in town even though it was legal.
"My advice for them is the same as it is with adults - yes it's your right and yes it's legal, but why draw unnecessary attention to yourself just because you can?" Santos said. "I believe the intent (of the law) was to allow it more for hunting and recreation."
Zach said he's not paranoid or a radical.
"If I was an extremist, our founding fathers would all be extremists," he said. "Without them, we wouldn't have our independence. We'd be a disarmed British system of feudal subjectivity."
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Todays America does not like someone openly exercising their rights.
I think that their drawing attention to the right to carry is a good thing. Sounds like they are being responsible, respectful and polite.
What more can anyone expect?
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It certainly would be more of a deterrant if everyone did the same... 0 -
Good Story, there is hope for us yet. 0 -
The problem is the kid is trolling for a lawsuit to make the family rich. These are not the people they are made out to be in this story.
Be careful who you side with here. This isn't what it seems.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alpine
The problem is the kid is trolling for a lawsuit to make the family rich. These are not the people they are made out to be in this story.
Be careful who you side with here. This isn't what it seems.
So what? If the lawsuit brings more attention to second amendment rights, I say go for it!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alpine
The problem is the kid is trolling for a lawsuit to make the family rich. These are not the people they are made out to be in this story.
Be careful who you side with here. This isn't what it seems.
I been carrying for years how much do you think I could sue for.[:D]
If it is big money I will provide the best giive away Gun Broker has ever seen!!![:D][:D][:D]0 -
Duly warned. But you'll change your mind in the end. 0 -
My wife and I frequently drive between the small North Idaho town of Athol and Lake Pend Oreille. It is not unusual to see a pair of boys with .22 rifles over their shoulders walking along the road.
In this country it is not only legal, it is normal and it looks and feels normal.0 -
quote: "Idaho boys toting guns"
Talking about ECC?0 -
this could give the second ammendment - negitive attention... couldn't it?! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alpine
The problem is the kid is trolling for a lawsuit to make the family rich. These are not the people they are made out to be in this story.
Be careful who you side with here. This isn't what it seems.
And you base this statement on what evidence?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Alpine
The problem is the kid is trolling for a lawsuit to make the family rich. These are not the people they are made out to be in this story.
Be careful who you side with here. This isn't what it seems.
Any particular reason why you assume this?0 -
quote:"My advice for them is the same as it is with adults - yes it's your right and yes it's legal, but why draw unnecessary attention to yourself just because you can?" Santos said. "I believe the intent (of the law) was to allow it more for hunting and recreation."
Mister Santos is a "good thinker". The whole concept of law vs. freedom is backwards in his mind, which after all, is as it should be.
Anything is presumed to be legal if there is no law, ordinance, or regulation against it. In Mister Santos' mind the government must grant permission for everything. Otherwise it isn't legal.
When we can get everyone thinking this way the Clintons, Kennedys, Obamas and Michael Moore can retire in peace.0 -
Do I detect a note of sarcasm ??
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I love Idaho. 0 -
Just imagine what Mayor Bloomberg of NYC would do to those two boys if that took place in NYC!
Its great that Idaho is still free! Not many places left in American that are like that.0 -
So would it still be legal for them to carry an ak 47 and a mac 10? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by KrinkovMan
So would it still be legal for them to carry an ak 47 and a mac 10?
What differance would that make[?][?]0 -
quote:Originally posted by dan55362
quote:Originally posted by KrinkovMan
So would it still be legal for them to carry an ak 47 and a mac 10?
What differance would that make[?][?]
Shouldn't make a bit of difference!0 -
quote:And you base this statement on what evidence
Any particular reason why you assume this?
I read his whole blog on this incident a little while ago.
I don't know where it is or I would provide a link. When I run across it again I will provide it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ECC
It certainly would be more of a deterrant if everyone did the same...
X-ring here!!
quote:hisbigbootygirl Posted
this could give the second ammendment - negitive attention... couldn't it?! People need to lose this attitude.0 -
Alpine,
I hope you find it, I'd like to read it.0 -
I remember when you could open carry here in Iowa. I left for the Army for ten years, and came back and some idiots made a law against it. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by KrinkovMan
So would it still be legal for them to carry an ak 47 and a mac 10?
I assume that it would "still be legal". Why should that be any of your business, or concern?
If they misuse a gun, you punish the behavior and the individual, nothing more, nothing less.
What is your problem?0
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